Another WIN for the fishers!
Submitted by Robbo88 on Mon, 2013-03-11 14:29
Great to see the Shooters and Fisher party grabbing a seat in the upper house.
Another voice out there always helps!
http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2013/03/11/3712860.htm?site=perth
DTrain
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I'm not a big fan of
I'm not a big fan of shooting, but the 4wding, camping and fishing people definitely need more representation in parliament. I'm sick of the govt putting no camping, no fishing and no 4wding signs up all over the place. Hopefully they can make a difference.
Robbo88
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Your not wrong DTrain, what
Your not wrong DTrain, what is the point in having all these "Closed Areas" if we can't get out there to appriciate and enjoy them??
Swompa
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100% agreed. Not interested
100% agreed. Not interested in the guns, but we have so much coast line and we're not allowed to play at so much of it!
Stoinka
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You Beauty
Good to see my vote helped.
Rob H
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fingers crossed
I just hope they research their issues a little better than recently as theyll look pretty silly standing up and tabling thumping about out of date issues
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big john
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Same Tune
Do you only play the one tune Rob?
Daniel admitted he made a mistake and apologised on here for it. As for the sentiment of what he posted, I reckon a lot of people agreed.
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Rob H
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I voted for them John but Im
I voted for them John but Im wary. I believe the shooting terminology equates to "shooting from the hip".
Its not something he needed to apologise for, but as we know those sort of mistakes in politics quickly result in being branded out of touch with your core platform which makes an incredibly easy target for opposition.
If your elected to deal with one issue, shooting and fishing rights and get it wrong it doesnt leave much does it.
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big john
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Polish
Wont take long to get some polish on the parties candidates Rob. You gotta remember these are everyday blokes who had their first crack at it. I take my hat off to them for getting in the ring to start with.
I expect to see their policies become all encompassing for all outdoor pursuits, shooting and fishing whilst key interests of the party will only be the tip of the iceberg.
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Clown Fish
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Excelent result. It felt
Excelent result. It felt good to walk past all the people that shove pamphlets in your face at the local polling place, knowing exactly who i was going to vote for- and to get this result was great! Holy shit, voting actually works!
hooty
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With some of the comments
With some of the comments like "Im not a fan of shooting" and "not interested in guns" it sounds like some members are not a whole lot different in their attitudes to the Greens. Whilst hunting is not everyones cup of tea, it certainly is to a few. Just as fishing, 4wd and camping is to others.
So do you think that west australians who love recreational hunting have less right to represention or access to all the excessive land we have in Western Australia.
The shooting, fishing party is trying to protect these rights for all west australians. If your implyiong that lawful, safe recreational hunters have any less right to enjoy hunting than the fisherman/woman then maybe your idiology is not much different than the greens.
If your after a genuine reason whilst peolple shouldnt be allowed to shoot please dont try and compare environment or public safety issues comparing fishing and shooting in Australia over the last 10 years, because fishing wont come out on
sideshow
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+1 I agree.Im a fan of it
+1 I agree.
Im a fan of it all.
If there were not rec shooters Imagine the amount of rabbits, foxes, ferral cats etc that would be running free its bad enough now, and thats not even mentioning the pig hunters
All work and no fishing makes me a dull boy!!!!!!!!
till
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Well, here is another way to
Well, here is another way to look at it.
1) Whilst hunting is not everyone else's cup of tea as you say - people should vote for what they want. Why would I vote so that people can hunt? Frankly I don't especially care if people hunt, but you seem to miss the point of why people vote.
2) You're voting to get better representation, other people vote for other reasons. What is excessive land?
3) This is Australia not the US of A, no one has any rights.
4) Not really sure where you're going with that one.
The SFP got a few votes and a seat, and maybe they can provide some useful balance because certainly it has been lacking but they're only promoting access.
The SFP have no published statement on conservation and that just makes them the same as the greens, but opposite.
On a personal note, I think that any anti-conservation fisho is a bit brain dead and may as well start looking for a new hobby, either sooner or later.
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"On a personal note, I think
"On a personal note, I think that any anti-conservation fisho is a bit brain dead and may as well start looking for a new hobby, either sooner or later."
Jeez Till, do you need to make these blanket statements labelling people who dont agree directly?
If I like to kill a fish, does that make me "anti conservation?".
If I believe that a 2 dhu boat limit is overly restrictive outside the metro area am I "anti conservation"?
Divide and conquer Til, that is how the greens/PEW/PETA etc work. They love rec fishos to bicker with pros, they love people who who fish to bicker with people who like to hunt. Its a similar principal, hunting and fishing.
They both can use a form of firearm in the legal sense and while it hasnt come about yet, you will find your speargun licenced as a firearm not far in the future with all the associated restrictions etc
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big john
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Policy
From their WA Policy Page
Fishing
S&FP will protect and seek to extend the traditional opportunities for fishing in WA.
S&FP will vigorously oppose and attempt to undo the severe and unwarranted attacks on recreational fishing by so called Marine Parks and other anti-fishing legislation.
While regulation to ensure conservation of our fish stocks is to be supported, S&FP will oppose regulation motivated by ideology
S&FP will seek to improve vehicle access to beaches for family fishing.
No anti conservation at all Till, just anti lock it up for bullshit reasons.
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till
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Well, that is surprising
Well, that is surprising seeing as they came out with that vote-buying shtick about a dhufish for ever boat based on absolutely nothing.
Let's hope they don't vote for too much whack social policy whilst they're in.
till
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Rob,I haven't directly
Rob,
I haven't directly aimed the anti-conservation comment at anyone. Bit concerned that you think it fits the way you responded ;P
One part of my concern with the SFP is that don't seem interested in engaging in any research to base their platform on.
Edit: oh I missed a one-liner on their WA policy page. They say that their against lockups based on ideology, as we all should be - greens included.
I don't think killing fish directly equates with being anti-conservation and I answered that question about 2 dhufish last time it came up.
I'm aware of the divide and conquer thing. I just want to know why twats like PEW didn't engage rec fishers in Australia, where they have in other countries, in order to achieve their ends.
big john
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Awesome effort
Generated 500+ paid members in six months, officially registered the party 14 weeks before an election, campaigned on a shoestring budget and then got one (nearly two) candidates elected to the upper house in their first election.
Awesome effort and indicative of a group of people who finally said enough is enough.
Looking forward to the next election when we're really established, have plenty of time to get organised and have the funds to really campaign. Look out Till!
On a side note, good to knock the fervent greens down a peg or two.
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meersy
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+1 big john
+1 big john
Pilbra Dave
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+1
+1
If you ain't Fishin you ain't Livin
hooty
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I think it may be you Till
I think it may be you Till thats missed the point. Your first two points are not worth commenting on.
Perhaps you live in a different country to me. I suggest you go to the Australian Government Democratic rights and freedoms web page. You seem to know your way around a computer so it shouldnt be to hard.
Lets just look at one of your rights .
*Freedom of expression association, assembly communication and religion*
This is the right you use as a keyboard warrior( troll expert) when you post your rhetoric on every forum know to man without any consequence.
Cheers Big Ears
randall df223
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I changed my conservative
I changed my conservative vote of thirty years, and voted for a train line to ellenbrook......
What a waste of a fucking vote!
Fish! HARD!
Buz
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Interestingly it seems the
Interestingly it seems the Shooters and Fishers party was started by primarily shooters/hunters. Though alot of these shooters also probably fish, you might find in the Eastern States the origins of the political party and its roots are in Recreational Shooting and Hunting. So really its a good thing they have also taken up the fight for all other Recreational Activities like Fishing(including Spearfishing), 4wding access, etc.
Hence why its called the Shooters and Fishers Party, not the Fishers and Shooters Party.
I for one like both forms of recreation, and will be thankfull to anyone who aids me and every Australian in continuing to do all forms of outdoor rcreation if thats what they enjoy doing. Likewise i dont hold it against people that dont like doing outdoor activities, your free to pursue what you enjoy doing too. I just dont like it when a few try to force their ideologies onto others.
From my limited knowledge and obersvations though comparing the Australian Recreational Fishing community to the Australian Recreational Shooting/Hunting community, it seems the Shooting/Hunting communities are alot more united and a hell of alot more organised.
Wonder if its because they arent so worried about people pinging their hunting spots :P hahahaha
anypuddle
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good result
excellent, we need a few like-minded people to fight for our rights. All the the anti gunners on this site? whats wrong with helping farming mates out and chasing a few foxes or bowling over bunnies? So enjoyable getting access to new properties and seeing new country(and marron dams!) I have had many great experiences thru hunting.
Anywhere anytime
flash as
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I had a conversation with my
I had a conversation with my partner about this topic and she was of the opinion that she wouldn't vote for the shooters and fishers party because of the gun thing my question to her was ... What is the difference between a shooter and a fisher? Apart from the gun thing? My answer to her was at the end of the day both parties are going out and killing animals shooters use a bullet,fishers are using a hook catching the fish then killing it by whatever means to eat! At the end of the day not much difference both ways the animal is getting killed! Not to mention the spear fishers apart from the way the projectile is propelled a spear is not a lot different to a bullet! Same result yet a lot of people are against guns! Go figure. I am not a shooter and this is just my opinion but I do believe that everyone has a right to enjoy all forms of sport weather it be fishing shooting or afl Ect and that is my 2 cents worth!
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Habanero
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Sure
As a Spearo , Fisho , Bowhunter , Rifle hunter , and business owner catering for most of the former they got my vote , a bit more representation can not hurt in the upper house , yeah sure they did/do not have policy on everything else , but really at this early stage I did not expect it.....It was not like they were going to govern the state!
just my 2cents worth
WSHN4FSHN
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Buz makes an interesting and
Buz makes an interesting and valid point and yes the party was founded on Shooting roots. Fishos should be grateful that they are represented by this party at all as I believe it was a bit of an after thought and certainly not the original focus of the party. As my name suggests and as a farmer I have had a lot to do with hunting/shooting from a very young age. The difference between shooting and fishing is that one is essential and one is not. Fish are not caught because they pose a threat to livelihoods or damage peoples assets they are purely caught for recreation/food. Shooting is essential for farmers to protect crops from vermin and the devastating damage that can be done if that control doesn't happen. The problem is the average person only sees the word "gun" and associates that with the notion of danger and ability to kill human life. This comes from a fear of knowing very little about guns, how they work and their intended purpose so naturally large opposition exists whenever Shooting comes up. I am an avid fisher as well so I'm all for protecting the recreational interests we enjoy but anyone who is anti shooting needs to see the facts and base their view accordingly. Unfortunately guns do get into the wrong hands and a lot of damage is done to the rights of the people who legitamately need guns and the freedom to use them as required.
I think a bit of balance in our parliament on issues that don't have someone fighting for us is a good thing. Better policies and fine tuning of the party will come and I can only see good days ahead for the S&P party. I'm glad my vote in the upper house counted and look forward to better outcomes on issues that have a high importance for us who enjoy Shooting and Fishing.
Burley it and they will come.
Pilbra Dave
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I agree with everything you
I agree with everything you said except the addition of fisho’s being an after thought, I think the charter to include fisho’s was a necessity for the party to have any chance of winning a seat. Fishing is the biggest sport in Australia with more people trying it than any other sport by far. So by including fisho’s in the party they opened up a much larger portion of the country who will now consider voting for the Shooting and Fishing Party. Without the Fishing vote the Shooters and Fishers Party wouldn’t exist.
I a really glad they have done this and even happier that they won a seat, good luck to them and I hope they achieve all that they set out to do.
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WSHN4FSHN
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Yep that's a good point Dave
Yep that's a good point Dave I was just saying where the original focus was. I may have gone a bit far with saying it was an after thought. Cheers.
Burley it and they will come.
Browndog
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Congrats
Well done the the S&F guys, truly an eye opener for the rest of parliament.
I'm not a shooter (no probloems with those that are), and I didn't vote for these guys, but I do like to go fishing, and want to be able to take my boys out 4WDing on a beach, light a campfire, throw a few lines in and have a weekend away from it all. Seems this is almost a thing of the past anywhere near Perth, and is such a shame. This has to be protected, but also managed (open access to all beaches for 4WDing would be a disaster, sadly too many out there with no respect)
Good to see these guys standing up for ALL (yes fisho's, 4WD'ers, and Hunters) of our rights, and perhaps being a voice of reason amongst all the politically correct mumbo jumbo.
Just my 2c.
BD
kmo
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Well done
Good to see they are in there having a say and well done to the guys for getting it off the ground in such short time.
It is a bummer that far right social policy is associated with hunting, camping and fishing, but other than that a good result to have someone generating discussion regarding access rights in parliament.
till
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The labor and libs are too
The labor and libs are too far to the right as far as social policy IMO, and SFP is even worse.
I have no idea why they lumped all that crap in with shooting and that is one reason I didn't vote for them.
cuthbad
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Totally agree Till, if it was
Totally agree Till, if it was just shooting and fishing then great but I couldnt vote for them because of their other policies.
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Great
Awesome stuff!!
Like the majority of other people commenting I am not a shooter but I am a fisher and support them to be a more moderate and reasonable voice in parliament sticking up for lifestyle.
I am not a shooter but that doesn't mean that in some point in time I wouldn't mind giving it a crack or having the opportunity to (which with the current laws seem near on impossible).
All round good news.
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Robbo88
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To clarify
I persomaly love my outdoor sports and life style and this includes Shooting and fishing at the top of my list. The reason i posted "Another win for the fishers" was purely based on this site being a fishing forum.
I can't agree with you Howa Hunter enough, I think you have hit the nail on the head!!
What I can not understand is why some people are so against firearms?? Rifles are a very useful tool when it comes to farming as others have already mentioned. On the other hand firearms dont actually kill people, usually its the muppet pulling the trigger that kills a person and as the stats show most of the time the firearm used is unregistered.
TheJettyRat
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LoLz I voted for themat the
LoLz I voted for them when I saw the word "fishers" on the ballot paper. That was enough to get my voite.
big john
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Watch this space
SFP could have 2 in, with the Greens possibly down to 1.
www.abc.net.au/elections/wa/2013/guide/lc-results.htm
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uncle
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like to see
that happen, now the work will begin
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baders
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I have been a hunter and a
I have been a hunter and a fisher for 38 years. Those here that draw a line between the two must realise that it is an arbitrary one............in fact, when it comes to legislation, restrictions and ideology, there IS no line. I have believed in realistic conservation values all my life, but the Green agenda makes me cringe.
I also know Rick and Dan, and two more upstanding guys you will not meet. True, politicians in the traditional "trashy" sense they may not be, but we are LONG overdue for some representation with honesty and real passion. S and F Party is in its infancy, but in that short time we have gained at least 1 representative in WA (Rick). The absolute best way to help fishos as well as shooters is to get on board, make your views known, push the agenda. Political representation is the only way to make effective change, and to "stop the rot" engendered by extremist Greens.
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Howard George
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The Real Value
Getting an upper house rep. of the S&F party into state parliament is a real benefit because the Hon. Rick Mazza will now get funding from the taxpayers to set up an office with a number of staff who can research pollicy and have at their fingertips all relavent documentation that is regarded a confidential within Govt. Only 14 weeks ago before the election there wasn't a registered S&F party in WA and to end up with this result is trully remarkable. I doubt that the S&F will have much influence over the newly elected state govt. but it certainly puts the major parties on notice that there are people out in the electorate that enjoy the pleasures of shooting and fishing and that more consideration should perhaps be given to them when formulating policy.
Mattb123
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To those bagging the
To those bagging the Greens... please note:
Count 11: Robin CHAPPLE (The Greens (WA)) elected #5So - John Parkes elected due to Greens preferences. Crazy world huh:)
till
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Check the pilbara (?)
Check the pilbara (?) primary. The greens guy got the most votes by the seat went national after prefs IIRC.
glastronomic
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With a majority Liberal/
With a majority Liberal/ National WA government in both houses and 1only seat in the House of Review, the impact will be minimal in directing preasure on policies coming from the House of Leg. assembly for review.
But the seat has value and is valuable.
Any lost green seat is a very welcome replacement.
Directing preverences is a dirty, dark, backroom buisness, Adam Bant got his inner Melbourne lower house seat due to being preferenced by the Liberal candidate (to keep the Labor candidate out.)
Well done SFP