Says they were diving south of Stratham. I know round that area about 1-2km offshore there are a heap of bombies and reefs where i usually go at the beginning of Cray Season.
Just trying to find out if its one of my mates as i know they dive there a bit too. Hope not.
Yeah it happened up Peppy / Mininup way, the body was tranferred to Port Geo. I was just down there and the body had arrived and fisheries and police etc were all there or just rolling up. RIP to the victim.
RIP, sucks majorly,the place is a good area for snorkelling for crabs yea? even sadder if it happened to two brothers. condolenses to the family and famlies involved
please guys if you dive or snorkel go out a buy a bloody shark shield I know there are a lot of doubters but why not give yourselves the best possible chance of NOT being taken by a shark $600 is not a lot of money if it saves your life
terrible way to go, it sure effected old fart when his mate Guestie was taken, as they had fished many a day on either of their boats and heaps of fishing comps as well, to hear a mate has been taken by a shark, isn't something anybody wants to go through. Cocdolences to the family, friends and dive buddies., terrible, so close to Easter as well.
So sad. Scary thing is i dived at stratham every calm day for 4-5 years back in early to mid 2000s....My dad and me lived 10min from it. It gets pretty deep pretty quick off there and there is not alot of reef everything is open. After seeing a huuuuge fin off shore one day with my Dad of which we knew was a white, that was it for us. Talked to other guys down there who have come in on boats and had many many sighting of whites at there boat. Not a good spot to go diving. RIP to him...
Saturday, 22 October 2011: American George Thomas Wainwright, 32, died after an attack while scuba diving off Rottnest Island
Monday, 10 October 2011: Bryn Martin was likely taken by great white shark after he was last seen about 350m from the shore as he headed out to sea on his daily swim in front of the Indiana tea house.
Sunday, 4 September 2011: Kyle James Burden is killed while bodyboarding with friends at Bunker Bay, near Dunsborough.
Tuesday, 17 August 2010: Nick Edwards died after a shark attacked him while he was surfing near Gracetown.
Saturday, 27 December 2008: Fisherman Brian Guest is taken by a great white while snorkelling at Port Kennedy.
Saturday, 19 March 2005: Geoffrey Brazier is attacked by a 6m shark, believed to be a great white, as he snorkelled near the Abrolhos Islands, off Geraldton.
Saturday, 10 July 2004: Brad Smith attacked by a great white as he surfed near Gracetown.
Monday 6 November 2000: Swimmer Ken Crew is killed by a great white off Cottesloe.
Monday 20 January 1997: Windsurfer Werner Schonhofer is likely killed by a tiger shark in Geraldton.
Monday 11 September 1995: Abalone diver David Weir killed near Hopetoun in the South-West.
Sunday 21 November, 1993: Pearl diver Richard Bisley killed by a tiger shark off Roebuck Bay, Broome.
4 Fatals in 7 months in WA......whats that trend telling us? Increasing GW numbers, reduced or increased food for them, increase in water temps??? Whats the answer? I think we need to get onto the tagging program asap like our South Aussie cousins...Find out more
to think only 1 shark in the WA coast is hungry enough and opportunistic enough to bite a human is obsurd, i agree with tagging them and doing some decent research instead of jumping to conclusions
i also agree with the theory that there numbers have increased to a level that they are no longer an endangered species and possibly it could be made legal again to catch and kill them like many other species of sharks - the one big problem with doing this is it will be such a novelty every tom dick and harry will want to catch one to get a set of jaws on their pool room wall theyll be endangered again in no time.
Carnarvonite , That would be a good theory if the shark actually ate the person not just bit them and then the poor bastard died of shock and massive blood loss.
yerh it did. Apparently the Dunsborough Surfer one was a Big bad Bronsie though, hence why it took multiple attacks. Dont GW just hit it once then generally what for the prey to die?
Where do you get your info? Ask the boys in the water that day, or myself who was surfing around the corner at Rocky's and saw a GW try go fair up a seal's arse! Amuses me how people with no clue decide to put their own spin on it
There is a resident shark that hangs around the bay- has been for a couple of years. Whether its the one that got the surfer at bunkers last year or had anything to do with other attacks, I dont know.
I was on the water today and it was almost black. Very murky and not the sort of day you think looks like a good day for a swim. Could hear the water police and sea search and rescue on the radio til probably two or so until they got called off. There was no way they would find the shark in that water today so dont know if there was much point looking til that late. When I got back to the beach ramp there was a sign up saying beach closed. Wish I had of launched at the marina as I had to anchor the boat off shore and wade in with the choppy conditions.
I also beleive it is possibly the same shark doing these attacks. I cant see why everyone rules it out myself. The fact of the matter is if a one shark has found an easy prey to feed on why woulnd it keep coming back for more. Its natual instinct would be to target the easy option. Its happened all over the world with rouge Crocodiles , Bears , Lions taking people from swimming holes and coming into populated areas to feed. Why is it such a shock that a shark could possibly do the same. I think people just dont want to except that it is possible through fear. People always say not to harm the shark as its only doing what its supposed to do, But if that thing was coming towards you and you had a shot gun in your hand you wouldnt think twice about blowing its head off.
If you watch all the millions of documentries on these things they show the White Pointers hit the prey first to disable it then sometimes dont return for a period of time before they feed. So that would explain your theory (marble).
My condolences to the family, its always a sad thing to lose a loved one!
But its all not that much what happens. Like saltarix listed the names of people died in attacks since 1993. Its a handfull. And so what. You know the risk when you enter the water. Try to list the names of people died in car crashs caused by drunken P platers in the same space of time. The space here wouldn't be big enogh. So if you put it in perspective having a handfull people die in shark attacks in nearly 20 years doesn't look so dramatic anymore. AND I AM NOT SAYING ITS NOT A DRAMATIC EVENT LOSING YOUR FRIEND,BROTHER,SISTER,FATHER OR MOTHER. Its just about putting it in perspective! And as said so many times beforfe , If you don't like the risk don't go in the water! Its that simple!
The amount of small shark turning up is a direct result of the closure of waters between Mandurah and Lancelin to demersal netting and seasonal closures now in force to all shark fishermen statewide. Also they have a maximum size they can bring in so a lot of bigger sharks that would have finished up on a dinner plate are now still swimming round breeding heaps of little ones.
Going back ten years when all these measures came into force it became so tough that quite a few operators , like myself, decided it wasn't worth the effort for the returns provided and quit the industry, now as time has passed the good catches have returned it is impossible to get get back in.
This is proof in itself that commercial lockouts work very well at letting species return to healthier stock levels as rec fishers continue to be able to fish sustainably.
Many SCIETISTS will say that smaller sharks are more proliferate than before because there natural predator is being hunted to extinction...Bigger sharks like the great whites..Cull the Great Whites and you could make the situation much worse for yourselves?
I love how everyone becomes a expert...
How many on here with a attitude to culling actually have a Degree in Marine Science?
I constantly hear stupid stuff like we should have a swimming netted area. That would have stopped this attack. No it wouldn't he was not in the area that was to be netted. Nor was the body boarder. You simply cant lock it all up and net it all..
Its just a fact of life, you want to be safe stay out of the water.
They will take anything, live or preferably dead because there is less risk of injury to it from killing its prey.
Used to longline for sharks up north and it was very common to get 2-3 small heads and one big shark on the same hook. A small one gets hooked then eaten by another shark that in turn gets hooked and the story repeats itself. The most one one hook in a 7 year period was 5 heads and a big tiger.
Any live shark pups went back over the side to swim off and dead ones were tomorrows bait because they always came up a winner compared to whole mullet baits
Much the same happens down that way with half sharks left tangled in the nets after being chewed up by their brothers.
We actually know more about the moon than we do the Worlds Oceans.
Most ideas are just guesses (all be it educated guesses) but the majority will tell you a big imbalance will occur. So that could mean jellyfish as far as you can see (that is already happening) Squid and similar creatures will turn more aggressive as food sources dwindle, so we could be talking about killer squid (happening in some parts of the world) i guess the answer is we just don't know.
Seal populations are exploding everywhere, why, less big sharks killing them of. So then the seals start there day of carnage. In a lot of places Seals are now killing of all other life. (Fairy penguin numbers are collapsing big time) In the US there are now marina's and boat ramps that cant be accessed because of seal lion populations..These are all signs of a ecosystem out of control..
Does it sound alarmist, yes i think it is, maybe not for the next 20 or even 30 years but after that what will be left?
We need to learn to live with our enviroment and with in its constraints..
QUOTE "Try to list the names of people died in car crashs caused by drunken P platers in the same space of time."
Suicide is higher than vehicle related deaths amongst predominantly males in this country.
Yes, commiserations to the children who must have a large void filled. Being a father this has left a hole of sadness in my stomach.
Really though, have no-fishing zones been implemented to buy green votes to eventually get rid of recreational fishers gone too far when there is a swarm of sharks building in population ready to eat Busselton tourists?
Im not saying government cull of sharks but I am saying are the no fishing zones to fill the satisfaction of a minority group who are simply anti-fishing?
No-fishing zones are a cancer on the Australian way of life. A place where fishos have been punished by political bull$3!! for being responsible?
What a short sighted mentality by the tourism operators at Busselton. These sharks are not localised. No-fishing zones do nothing for these shark populations.
The media can get the Great White report under FIO. Why havent they done this?
HEADLINES: Eco-tourist operators want Great Whites killed
ive worked crayfishing with a guy who is a 37yr fisherman and knows the ocean like no one else i know, and the stories he has told me of the migration patterns of the GWS is so spot on. When you grow up at the abrohlos islands especially and live, work, breathe the ocean in those places you get to know the ocean like it is your backyard and this guy does.
The theory behind rogue sharks is so plausable that it is no surprise that people who dont work live and breathe the ocean dont believe, it doesnt suprise me at all!
Sharks are territorial creatures and always will be! they will migrate and you can place them to a tee each year in the same spots. They have an imprint of where they go where theyve been and where they are! The same with whales? how do they know where to go every year! it is genetic and imprinted in them as a species!
A lot of you right off commercial fishermen but you know what, the old guard of commercial fishermen and ive been priviliged to work and talk with a few of these guys, know the ocean and what goes on in the ocean that you cant teach anymore! Perfect example 2 tiger sharks at north island fully territorial hung out in the bay all the time! everytime we would pull up to the carrier boat to refuel, unload catch and load bait and stores the sharks would be there like clockwork! Do you call that coincidence or is it that the sharks know where to be at that time!
We as humans are nothing, we are a speck and are not the top of any food chain, it is only because we have developed weapons that can be used to take out creatures higher in the food chain than us that we think we are all that, but you know we arent! Sharks and especially GWS have been around for millions of years and if anyone thinks that a creature that has been able to evolve for that long and survive doesnt know what its doing, is or should be on crack!!
Tuna fishing we would always come across a broadbill that was a floater, no head and no tail then sure enough you would see a frikkn large Mako hanging round! they take out the tail so its disabled then they take out its head then they circle it and eat when they are hungry! Dont always listen to or believe things that some dick that has a degree and read a book for 5 years in a university says is gospel! Sharks are a machine and we are part of their food chain and if they know there is a feed there in an area, they are going to come back and feed on that creature whether it be human, a dog, a cat, a chicken, a fish, it doesnt matter!
pull ya heads out guys. your not all that cos you go out on yr little tub fishing! when you live on the ocean and work on the ocean and breathe the ocean you become part of the ocean and If someone says that the possibility of rogue sharks exists then you can bet that these people know what they are talking about!
I have amate I lived with that was a crayboat skipper. He wont get in the drink. Reason "seen some scary shit out there". He believes in a terrotorial shark.
If you could shoot the bastard while its attacking or very soon after while its hanging around then shoot it. If you loose sight of it then a shark is seen in the area then leave it alone I reckon, no saying its the same one.
There is means in our boat to put down a pretty big shark and if one day it happens to us and in the panic of the moment the chance presents itself the shark will get it, if not then so be it.
Its the risk we take every time we get in the water, much less of a risk we take driving to the ramp though. . .
R.I.P to the guy. Makes me bloody worried each time i go snorkling. Seen something big last time at Rotto while snorkling and couldnt get out the water quick enough
It may get scary sometimes 20 meters down but at least there's options. Snorkeling means you are stuffed! Attack from below, can't swim away fast enough, look even more like a seal. I hate it.
Diving on the bottom for 40 minutes = no worries. Safety stop = hate it for the 3 minutes. Snorkeling the whole time = No thank you! Even is shallower waters around Rotto.
Just finished the BOSIET course for offshore. Yank in the class was very concerned about being taken after surviving a chopper crash my response was "Survive that crash and a shark attack is probably the least of your worries." This bloke was actually petrified of going in the ocean. But I'd rather scuba dive anyday over snorkeling.
and have a look at the weather that these attacks have all happened on! overcast eery perfect ambush wx for a white! its prime time for them when its overcast!
last 2 tank divers, no mistaken identity ,,cage diving doesnt help matters,,burleying them in while people watch and photogragh them on tanks while there in cage..we are training them ..towing fake seals(making them breach) dont get me wrong i hate them .i dive a fair bit (deep) never come across one while under water ,and i hope i never do..will shark sheild work? ..i hope it does unsure ..i wear one all the time diving for crays in 35 to 40m ..but will it stop something heading towards yo at a rate off knotts?last pink season had one hit boat ,and motor ..i have fished local area since i was 8 years old..(rocko) in boats. its only the last 5 years i have come across these so called endangered species lots off times.how many are there? do we know?..if a dog attacks someone and its made public ..the dog is put down,,(on land) ...if there is a croc in area which is tourist attraction its dead,,this may upset a few people but (my opionion is) .sorry get rid off them...how about tigers and lions going into villages there shot.i know we all take risks .but you dont expect to go for swim and get eaten....100 percent balls for his brother doing what he done..i hope his kids and wife are looked after ..all fishing and diving sites should donate to victims off sea...it wont ease the pain. but could help them in many other ways,,,sorry for rambling on....
First of all this theory of one shark doing it all is making my have a gut laugh in my chair. It is is stupidest theory i have ever heard in my life.
Brad Y..............It happened at Stratham, which is about 10mins south of Bunbury.......An hour from Busselton and about 1 1/2 hours from Dusnborough
Back when they were not protected, there was plenty of them around, and not really any attacks. They get protected, numbers go up.....every year more and more.........
Time to undo the ban............
People that say numbers have not increased are stupid. Obviously they have, sightings are through the roof, attacks through the roof, it is common sense to put two and two together....This all a few years after the become protected. These science people, and shark pros, know jack shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The stupid lady on the video has no idea what she is talking about.
Time to go back to Geography 101 mate- dunno where you live but stratham is 20 mins to busso and probably 40 to dunsborough... Busso to Capel is 15 min and stratham is only 5 mins up the road.... Why do you think the body was taken back to Port Geo? Its because it was only just down coast. If you could do the 110kph speed limit from stratham across geo bay to the cape then it would be about half an hour to get there. I know there is a shark around the cape. Seen it myself. A surfer got munched at Bunkers last year, theres was video taken of a big white hanging around a tinny near dunsborough last year or year before. I saw it off castle rock in the bay. Yes there is one out there somewhere but I never said it is proven that it is the one that has now killed twice. But for a shark like that to cruise these minor distances is nothing. Why wouldnt it? Its not like it would have something preying on it.
Unless it can be captured, tagged and monitored so it can be proven that it is responsible for the attack, or if it can be captured or killed during or immediately after an attack, you cant make the assumption it was the same one. Its thier environment and we are the ones entering at our own risk. I dont know how many more people have to get taken by sharks for the government to actually do something proactive though. WA is a booming state and surely we have the resources to capture some of these sharks, tag them and monitor the activity in built up areas. That will give them more opportunity to prevent these sorts of things instead of paying a plane to fly overhead and try to spot them or get people in boats looking for them in the water- which wont happen in poor visibilty anyway.
Word around town is that locals will probably try do something about it themselves- Im not commenting on that.
And the visability was crap very rough down there. I read in sundays paper it attacked while going down the anchor line so they pretty much anchored on top of it you would have no chance. It is getting very sharky from Floret down to Margaret river these days probably the fur seal numbers are to blame. As for one shark, very plausable and because no one knows enough about these things I wouldnt be ruling anything out.. What i do know is there will be polls etc in the media about culls and 98% of people voting dont dip a toe in the ocean! Problem sharks need to be culled! one here and there wont upset the balance.
The sharks are starting to identify boats as a food source. I let Mike Burgess from fisheries here in Busso. know of my susp. last year . They have quite often paid us a visit before we can get a line in the water. If you're a diver and use a boat it may pay to drop a shark shield over the side before entering the water just in case. The mulie fisher at Dunsborough has a shark shield under the boat all the time when he's got a net in water.
Reminder the basics !!!!!........ sharks live in the water .... Humans live out of the water ... So if you wish to enter their territory then you are exposing yourselves to the Risks ...
Yes I do beleive that Shark numbers are increasing ... But so are the cars on the roads !!!!
So is the death toll of drivers under the age of 25 ...
Heartfelt Condolences to the Family of the poor guy - very sad ! ,However , we need to understand that Nature is a powerful thing .
Next time you go to the zoo with your kids , would you be prepared to enter the lions cage - expecting NOT to be in the line of fire.....
I 've seen/caught many Sharks and have always respected the fact that if you want to play in there yard - it's at their rules !
and therefore should accept people dying, might be a popular opinion with some, but it's not one I agree with. Sure, if you're out there there is allways a risk, but if it is the case that shark numbers are getting high, and we have regular attacks, which we are, it makes sense that we do a decent study on the matter. If reducing their numbers is likely to save people's lives then I think it's completely warranted to have a quota of a certain number that are killed. Of course the difficult thing will be working out the numbers....
they should set shark drums in the area and try and catch it..
.this idea it there placeyou getting in there territory what crap any other animal kills a person something is done about it , crocodile kills some one thery go get it ,that crocodile turn up in coral bay the other year didnt even attack any one and they went out a shot it ,
mate theres a big diffent between a lion in a cage and shark in the ocean thats just stupid comment..
Fishing Guru is just pointing out an example bud. Sharks are just pure hunting killing machines and don't discriminate. Sharks do what they do so if we take your line of thinking then we must kill them all. GW's migrate it's been proven they will cover 1000's of km's in a season following whales and bigger prey. It's just bad luck if your in their way. Your avatar 'Spearfisher' says it all ,you want the threat taken away. I used to Scuba dive for years and it was always in the back of my mind but I went with the notion that if I get taken my own bad luck.
When I was a young bloke the young Abo boys would say the crustacea species put out distress clicks which drive the sharks crazy and brings them in.
If this bloke was diving for crays etc. How do they not know it was a Tiger or a big Bronzie? Lot of big Bronzies around Salmon season
You can see them swim the shallows along Bunker bay and Dunsborough when the salmon schools come through. Bronzies are said not to give warning before they belt you.
Fisheries already have a bucket load of data on the Great White shark from the yellow RFID buoys just off the Perth metro coast a few hundred metres. They just don't want to release the data for some reason.
Everyone is a expert. I just find it so hard for people to think you can take out a number 1 predator and not have a effect on the overall ecosystem? Infact i find it even harder to believe that people (even so called fisherman who are OCEAN EXPERTS) can think that it is okay to take all the food away from these Ocean Predators and it will have no effect.
My best guess is that with 45% of the ocean life gone sharks are having to look futher a field to find a feed.
As i said my best Guess because i'm not a Marine Biologist after all so my opinion is just that, a guess.
But for me i will enter the water still three to four days a week, not feeling scared. I save the scared feeling for driving to work everyday.
Lift the fishing ban on them I say...but not the protection......Let people catch them, tag and release them. And make every tag a government funded satellite tracking tag.....
Then we can have fun, find out more about them, know exactly where each one is............and.....no GWs have to die.
Now I have to design and market a GW tracker to the diving sector.....
For me the numbers are negligent. I know that sounds bad but honestly the amount of deaths compared to the amount of people in teh water the odds are so high its not funny.
I would prefer the proposed $14 million to be used to help find a cure for child hood cancer..
Save the odd person living it up in the ocean, or potentially save thousands of kids who may never get the chance to swim in it at all ?
It's a No brainer, especially when you consider the comparative risks already present in the average Joe's life, where the odds far outweigh any risk posed by a shark.
And seriously, does anyone have faith in the brain-dead fisheries think-tank ?
Been involved with blokes from shark research over a fair amount of time when they used to come aboard for a fortnight at a time when fishing up north and again on a weekly basis down south and the decisions on what goes is mainly political from pressure placed on the local pollie forcing closures etc.
Their job is about processing catch reports and tagging programs, growth rates and seasonal changes that may effect future specie populations in different areas. They do a wonderful job in at times very trying conditions to get the data needed for their research.
When Ken Crews got his leg bitten off at Cottesloe many years back we had Rory one of their main scientists onboard and were out of phone range for something like another 5 days after the event. He had about 500 missed calls and msgs waiting for him from tv and radio stations, the premier, pollies, media people from fisheries for him to deal with, glad it wasn't me!
The same thing happens every time something like this occurs and its always the same questions asked and usually by the same reporters, one would think they would have learnt something over the years, but no, all they are interested in is tv ratings and want to bombard us and blow it all out of proportion so we will watch their news segments.
I've got no problem with the "hands-on" guys in any sort of field.
It's the theory-based desk jockey wankers with no idea of logic or practicality who assess the information, talk it over with other desk-jockey wankers, then pull bullshit solutions out of their assholes.
I think they need to start tagging and so on. I also think the ban needs to be lifted on them.
I do agree with culling, then again i don`t because it is there world not ours.....And my opinion is once we are in there, we are no longer top of the food chain.
(((( Just so you all know. I am probably not meant to be saying this but people are saying it could of been a Tiger or Bronzie. I spoke to my mate who is a cop in Bunbury. It took the top half of him chest up, in one bite. His brother also saw a 4m white swim past the boat after he had pulled the body in. Being experienced divers. I would say they know there sharks well ))))
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Not good
That's not good. In or outside the marina is the real question I suppose. Most people think of marinas as safe havens.
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not good at all. doesnt say
not good at all. doesnt say what he was doing weather it be diving or just swimming.
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sea-kem
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Sad to hear that.Condolences
Sad to hear that.Condolences to the family.
Love the West!
Andy_b
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perth now said he was diving,
perth now said he was diving, just in the wrong place at the wrong time, rip
uncle
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just heard on the radio
what a terrible way to go,condolences to family and friends
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Buz
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Says they were diving south
Says they were diving south of Stratham. I know round that area about 1-2km offshore there are a heap of bombies and reefs where i usually go at the beginning of Cray Season.
Just trying to find out if its one of my mates as i know they dive there a bit too. Hope not.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/diver-killed-by-shark-off-busselton/story-e6frg13u-1226315174087
Dale
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Yeah it happened up Peppy,
Yeah it happened up Peppy / Mininup way, the body was tranferred to Port Geo. I was just down there and the body had arrived and fisheries and police etc were all there or just rolling up. RIP to the victim.
Cheers
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carnarvonite
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Not Good
Have a mate down in Busso who dives up that way regularly, hope its not him.
Reefmonkey
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RIP
RIP, sucks majorly,the place is a good area for snorkelling for crabs yea? even sadder if it happened to two brothers. condolenses to the family and famlies involved
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Perth
Shark attack capital of the world
rails8291
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That sucks, i don't wish that
That sucks, i don't wish that upon anyone, or anyone to witness it. Poor bugger
fishy fingers
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dont tempt fate
please guys if you dive or snorkel go out a buy a bloody shark shield I know there are a lot of doubters but why not give yourselves the best possible chance of NOT being taken by a shark $600 is not a lot of money if it saves your life
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roberta
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RIP to the poor soul
terrible way to go, it sure effected old fart when his mate Guestie was taken, as they had fished many a day on either of their boats and heaps of fishing comps as well, to hear a mate has been taken by a shark, isn't something anybody wants to go through. Cocdolences to the family, friends and dive buddies., terrible, so close to Easter as well.
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So sad. Scary thing is i
So sad. Scary thing is i dived at stratham every calm day for 4-5 years back in early to mid 2000s....My dad and me lived 10min from it. It gets pretty deep pretty quick off there and there is not alot of reef everything is open. After seeing a huuuuge fin off shore one day with my Dad of which we knew was a white, that was it for us. Talked to other guys down there who have come in on boats and had many many sighting of whites at there boat. Not a good spot to go diving. RIP to him...
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Saturday, 22 October 2011:
Saturday, 22 October 2011: American George Thomas Wainwright, 32, died after an attack while scuba diving off Rottnest Island
Monday, 10 October 2011: Bryn Martin was likely taken by great white shark after he was last seen about 350m from the shore as he headed out to sea on his daily swim in front of the Indiana tea house.
Sunday, 4 September 2011: Kyle James Burden is killed while bodyboarding with friends at Bunker Bay, near Dunsborough.
Tuesday, 17 August 2010: Nick Edwards died after a shark attacked him while he was surfing near Gracetown.
Saturday, 27 December 2008: Fisherman Brian Guest is taken by a great white while snorkelling at Port Kennedy.
Saturday, 19 March 2005: Geoffrey Brazier is attacked by a 6m shark, believed to be a great white, as he snorkelled near the Abrolhos Islands, off Geraldton.
Saturday, 10 July 2004: Brad Smith attacked by a great white as he surfed near Gracetown.
Monday 6 November 2000: Swimmer Ken Crew is killed by a great white off Cottesloe.
Monday 20 January 1997: Windsurfer Werner Schonhofer is likely killed by a tiger shark in Geraldton.
Monday 11 September 1995: Abalone diver David Weir killed near Hopetoun in the South-West.
Sunday 21 November, 1993: Pearl diver Richard Bisley killed by a tiger shark off Roebuck Bay, Broome.
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4 Fatals in 7 months in
4 Fatals in 7 months in WA......whats that trend telling us? Increasing GW numbers, reduced or increased food for them, increase in water temps??? Whats the answer? I think we need to get onto the tagging program asap like our South Aussie cousins...Find out more
carnarvonite
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1 x bad one
In my opinion there is just one big white pointer that has worked out an easy way to get a feed and will keep returning to the area.
kane
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i dont agree
to think only 1 shark in the WA coast is hungry enough and opportunistic enough to bite a human is obsurd, i agree with tagging them and doing some decent research instead of jumping to conclusions
i also agree with the theory that there numbers have increased to a level that they are no longer an endangered species and possibly it could be made legal again to catch and kill them like many other species of sharks - the one big problem with doing this is it will be such a novelty every tom dick and harry will want to catch one to get a set of jaws on their pool room wall theyll be endangered again in no time.
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marble
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That would be a good theory
Carnarvonite , That would be a good theory if the shark actually ate the person not just bit them and then the poor bastard died of shock and massive blood loss.
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till
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Well, apparently the shark
Well, apparently the shark did have quite a few goes at the bodyboarder...
terboz123
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yerh it did. Apparently the
yerh it did. Apparently the Dunsborough Surfer one was a Big bad Bronsie though, hence why it took multiple attacks. Dont GW just hit it once then generally what for the prey to die?
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Where do you get your info?
Where do you get your info? Ask the boys in the water that day, or myself who was surfing around the corner at Rocky's and saw a GW try go fair up a seal's arse! Amuses me how people with no clue decide to put their own spin on it
red dawn
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sounds plausible enough
There wouldn' be a lot of things swimming around that'd be easier prey then us.
bod
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very sad
just very sad. A young man, husband, father, son, brother...devastating for all.
Brad Y
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There is a resident shark
There is a resident shark that hangs around the bay- has been for a couple of years. Whether its the one that got the surfer at bunkers last year or had anything to do with other attacks, I dont know.
I was on the water today and it was almost black. Very murky and not the sort of day you think looks like a good day for a swim. Could hear the water police and sea search and rescue on the radio til probably two or so until they got called off. There was no way they would find the shark in that water today so dont know if there was much point looking til that late. When I got back to the beach ramp there was a sign up saying beach closed. Wish I had of launched at the marina as I had to anchor the boat off shore and wade in with the choppy conditions.
Condolences to his family.
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willy2668
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Was that dolphin road
Think it was you I seen at dolphin road ramp you looked like you had dramas getting your boat on I came in as you were about to pull your boat out
TAPOUT
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I also beleive it is possibly
I also beleive it is possibly the same shark doing these attacks. I cant see why everyone rules it out myself. The fact of the matter is if a one shark has found an easy prey to feed on why woulnd it keep coming back for more. Its natual instinct would be to target the easy option. Its happened all over the world with rouge Crocodiles , Bears , Lions taking people from swimming holes and coming into populated areas to feed. Why is it such a shock that a shark could possibly do the same. I think people just dont want to except that it is possible through fear. People always say not to harm the shark as its only doing what its supposed to do, But if that thing was coming towards you and you had a shot gun in your hand you wouldnt think twice about blowing its head off.
TAPOUT
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If you watch all the millions
If you watch all the millions of documentries on these things they show the White Pointers hit the prey first to disable it then sometimes dont return for a period of time before they feed. So that would explain your theory (marble).
aalfred
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RIP
My condolences to the family, its always a sad thing to lose a loved one!
But its all not that much what happens. Like saltarix listed the names of people died in attacks since 1993. Its a handfull. And so what. You know the risk when you enter the water. Try to list the names of people died in car crashs caused by drunken P platers in the same space of time. The space here wouldn't be big enogh. So if you put it in perspective having a handfull people die in shark attacks in nearly 20 years doesn't look so dramatic anymore. AND I AM NOT SAYING ITS NOT A DRAMATIC EVENT LOSING YOUR FRIEND,BROTHER,SISTER,FATHER OR MOTHER. Its just about putting it in perspective! And as said so many times beforfe , If you don't like the risk don't go in the water! Its that simple!
sherbert
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We need to start culling them
There are far too many out there, We are catching far more small sharks off the beaches now
So if the small ones are everywhere, So are the bigger ones
The higher power people running this state need to pull their finger out, And do something soon
My heart goes to the family that lost a loved one
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carnarvonite
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Closures
The amount of small shark turning up is a direct result of the closure of waters between Mandurah and Lancelin to demersal netting and seasonal closures now in force to all shark fishermen statewide. Also they have a maximum size they can bring in so a lot of bigger sharks that would have finished up on a dinner plate are now still swimming round breeding heaps of little ones.
Going back ten years when all these measures came into force it became so tough that quite a few operators , like myself, decided it wasn't worth the effort for the returns provided and quit the industry, now as time has passed the good catches have returned it is impossible to get get back in.
grayzeee
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This is proof in itself that
This is proof in itself that commercial lockouts work very well at letting species return to healthier stock levels as rec fishers continue to be able to fish sustainably.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Rod P
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Many SCIETISTS will say that
Many SCIETISTS will say that smaller sharks are more proliferate than before because there natural predator is being hunted to extinction...Bigger sharks like the great whites..Cull the Great Whites and you could make the situation much worse for yourselves?
I love how everyone becomes a expert...
How many on here with a attitude to culling actually have a Degree in Marine Science?
I constantly hear stupid stuff like we should have a swimming netted area. That would have stopped this attack. No it wouldn't he was not in the area that was to be netted. Nor was the body boarder. You simply cant lock it all up and net it all..
Its just a fact of life, you want to be safe stay out of the water.
grayzeee
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Hey RodAre scientists truly
Hey Rod
Are scientists truly suggesting that the increase in smaller shark numbers is due to the decrease in large whites??
(I'm not a marine scientist , but there's got to be an easier way for a white of any decent size to get a feed than chasing smaller sharks)
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Rob H
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PEW Group
Im sure PEW Group would be able to come up with the perfect solution.
Along the lines of close the ENTIRE area to ALL marine activity as the sea kittens are becoming distressed and hence nipping people.
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Everyone's just winging it.
carnarvonite
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Feeding
They will take anything, live or preferably dead because there is less risk of injury to it from killing its prey.
Used to longline for sharks up north and it was very common to get 2-3 small heads and one big shark on the same hook. A small one gets hooked then eaten by another shark that in turn gets hooked and the story repeats itself. The most one one hook in a 7 year period was 5 heads and a big tiger.
Any live shark pups went back over the side to swim off and dead ones were tomorrows bait because they always came up a winner compared to whole mullet baits
Much the same happens down that way with half sharks left tangled in the nets after being chewed up by their brothers.
grayzeee
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Yeah , thats what I was
Yeah , thats what I was getting at, feeding on easy pickings rather than young healthy sharks is what you'd expect.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Rod P
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We actually know more about
We actually know more about the moon than we do the Worlds Oceans.
Most ideas are just guesses (all be it educated guesses) but the majority will tell you a big imbalance will occur. So that could mean jellyfish as far as you can see (that is already happening) Squid and similar creatures will turn more aggressive as food sources dwindle, so we could be talking about killer squid (happening in some parts of the world) i guess the answer is we just don't know.
Seal populations are exploding everywhere, why, less big sharks killing them of. So then the seals start there day of carnage. In a lot of places Seals are now killing of all other life. (Fairy penguin numbers are collapsing big time) In the US there are now marina's and boat ramps that cant be accessed because of seal lion populations..These are all signs of a ecosystem out of control..
Does it sound alarmist, yes i think it is, maybe not for the next 20 or even 30 years but after that what will be left?
We need to learn to live with our enviroment and with in its constraints..
aalfred
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People with bloody old school
People with bloody old school mentality, they never die out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
red dawn
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so how does "new school"
mentality work better?
saltatrix
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Try to list the names of
QUOTE "Try to list the names of people died in car crashs caused by drunken P platers in the same space of time."
Suicide is higher than vehicle related deaths amongst predominantly males in this country.
Yes, commiserations to the children who must have a large void filled. Being a father this has left a hole of sadness in my stomach.
Really though, have no-fishing zones been implemented to buy green votes to eventually get rid of recreational fishers gone too far when there is a swarm of sharks building in population ready to eat Busselton tourists?
Im not saying government cull of sharks but I am saying are the no fishing zones to fill the satisfaction of a minority group who are simply anti-fishing?
No-fishing zones are a cancer on the Australian way of life. A place where fishos have been punished by political bull$3!! for being responsible?
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saltatrix
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How can you cull sharks when
How can you cull sharks when they are so pelagic?
What a short sighted mentality by the tourism operators at Busselton. These sharks are not localised. No-fishing zones do nothing for these shark populations.
The media can get the Great White report under FIO. Why havent they done this?
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SAD news again
I am also a rogue believer, but not for culling the lot off them. Need to ID the shark. And here lies the problem, its bloody hard to do.
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tangles
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same
ive worked crayfishing with a guy who is a 37yr fisherman and knows the ocean like no one else i know, and the stories he has told me of the migration patterns of the GWS is so spot on. When you grow up at the abrohlos islands especially and live, work, breathe the ocean in those places you get to know the ocean like it is your backyard and this guy does.
The theory behind rogue sharks is so plausable that it is no surprise that people who dont work live and breathe the ocean dont believe, it doesnt suprise me at all!
Sharks are territorial creatures and always will be! they will migrate and you can place them to a tee each year in the same spots. They have an imprint of where they go where theyve been and where they are! The same with whales? how do they know where to go every year! it is genetic and imprinted in them as a species!
A lot of you right off commercial fishermen but you know what, the old guard of commercial fishermen and ive been priviliged to work and talk with a few of these guys, know the ocean and what goes on in the ocean that you cant teach anymore! Perfect example 2 tiger sharks at north island fully territorial hung out in the bay all the time! everytime we would pull up to the carrier boat to refuel, unload catch and load bait and stores the sharks would be there like clockwork! Do you call that coincidence or is it that the sharks know where to be at that time!
We as humans are nothing, we are a speck and are not the top of any food chain, it is only because we have developed weapons that can be used to take out creatures higher in the food chain than us that we think we are all that, but you know we arent! Sharks and especially GWS have been around for millions of years and if anyone thinks that a creature that has been able to evolve for that long and survive doesnt know what its doing, is or should be on crack!!
Tuna fishing we would always come across a broadbill that was a floater, no head and no tail then sure enough you would see a frikkn large Mako hanging round! they take out the tail so its disabled then they take out its head then they circle it and eat when they are hungry! Dont always listen to or believe things that some dick that has a degree and read a book for 5 years in a university says is gospel! Sharks are a machine and we are part of their food chain and if they know there is a feed there in an area, they are going to come back and feed on that creature whether it be human, a dog, a cat, a chicken, a fish, it doesnt matter!
pull ya heads out guys. your not all that cos you go out on yr little tub fishing! when you live on the ocean and work on the ocean and breathe the ocean you become part of the ocean and If someone says that the possibility of rogue sharks exists then you can bet that these people know what they are talking about!
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likewise
I have amate I lived with that was a crayboat skipper. He wont get in the drink. Reason "seen some scary shit out there". He believes in a terrotorial shark.
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marble
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If you could shoot the
If you could shoot the bastard while its attacking or very soon after while its hanging around then shoot it. If you loose sight of it then a shark is seen in the area then leave it alone I reckon, no saying its the same one.
There is means in our boat to put down a pretty big shark and if one day it happens to us and in the panic of the moment the chance presents itself the shark will get it, if not then so be it.
Its the risk we take every time we get in the water, much less of a risk we take driving to the ramp though. . .
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R.I.P to the guy. Makes me
R.I.P to the guy. Makes me bloody worried each time i go snorkling. Seen something big last time at Rotto while snorkling and couldnt get out the water quick enough
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Oracle
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too scary!
It may get scary sometimes 20 meters down but at least there's options. Snorkeling means you are stuffed! Attack from below, can't swim away fast enough, look even more like a seal. I hate it.
Diving on the bottom for 40 minutes = no worries. Safety stop = hate it for the 3 minutes. Snorkeling the whole time = No thank you! Even is shallower waters around Rotto.
Rob H
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a tragic event
a tragedy for a family, very sad.
Remember when it was northern waters that were sharky and southern waters safe?
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The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
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Comfortable
Only ever felt comfortable snorkelling around the shallows of the various islands in the Mackerel's group. Never near deep drop offs that's for sure.
Having said that though, got a case of the brown undies snorkelling the swell side of Rosily Cay one day. Very sharkey.
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Just finished the BOSIET
Just finished the BOSIET course for offshore. Yank in the class was very concerned about being taken after surviving a chopper crash my response was "Survive that crash and a shark attack is probably the least of your worries." This bloke was actually petrified of going in the ocean. But I'd rather scuba dive anyday over snorkeling.
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tangles
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weather conditions
and have a look at the weather that these attacks have all happened on! overcast eery perfect ambush wx for a white! its prime time for them when its overcast!
little johnny
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my opinion
last 2 tank divers, no mistaken identity ,,cage diving doesnt help matters,,burleying them in while people watch and photogragh them on tanks while there in cage..we are training them ..towing fake seals(making them breach) dont get me wrong i hate them .i dive a fair bit (deep) never come across one while under water ,and i hope i never do..will shark sheild work? ..i hope it does unsure ..i wear one all the time diving for crays in 35 to 40m ..but will it stop something heading towards yo at a rate off knotts?last pink season had one hit boat ,and motor ..i have fished local area since i was 8 years old..(rocko) in boats. its only the last 5 years i have come across these so called endangered species lots off times.how many are there? do we know?..if a dog attacks someone and its made public ..the dog is put down,,(on land) ...if there is a croc in area which is tourist attraction its dead,,this may upset a few people but (my opionion is) .sorry get rid off them...how about tigers and lions going into villages there shot.i know we all take risks .but you dont expect to go for swim and get eaten....100 percent balls for his brother doing what he done..i hope his kids and wife are looked after ..all fishing and diving sites should donate to victims off sea...it wont ease the pain. but could help them in many other ways,,,sorry for rambling on.
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GlennO87
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First of all this theory of
First of all this theory of one shark doing it all is making my have a gut laugh in my chair. It is is stupidest theory i have ever heard in my life.
Brad Y..............It happened at Stratham, which is about 10mins south of Bunbury.......An hour from Busselton and about 1 1/2 hours from Dusnborough
Back when they were not protected, there was plenty of them around, and not really any attacks. They get protected, numbers go up.....every year more and more.........
Time to undo the ban............
People that say numbers have not increased are stupid. Obviously they have, sightings are through the roof, attacks through the roof, it is common sense to put two and two together....This all a few years after the become protected. These science people, and shark pros, know jack shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The stupid lady on the video has no idea what she is talking about.
This really pisses me right off........
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willy2668
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It is about 15 mins by boat
It is about 15 mins by boat to the huts where they were diving from Busso
Brad Y
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Geography 101 for Glenn
Time to go back to Geography 101 mate- dunno where you live but stratham is 20 mins to busso and probably 40 to dunsborough... Busso to Capel is 15 min and stratham is only 5 mins up the road.... Why do you think the body was taken back to Port Geo? Its because it was only just down coast. If you could do the 110kph speed limit from stratham across geo bay to the cape then it would be about half an hour to get there. I know there is a shark around the cape. Seen it myself. A surfer got munched at Bunkers last year, theres was video taken of a big white hanging around a tinny near dunsborough last year or year before. I saw it off castle rock in the bay. Yes there is one out there somewhere but I never said it is proven that it is the one that has now killed twice. But for a shark like that to cruise these minor distances is nothing. Why wouldnt it? Its not like it would have something preying on it.
Unless it can be captured, tagged and monitored so it can be proven that it is responsible for the attack, or if it can be captured or killed during or immediately after an attack, you cant make the assumption it was the same one. Its thier environment and we are the ones entering at our own risk. I dont know how many more people have to get taken by sharks for the government to actually do something proactive though. WA is a booming state and surely we have the resources to capture some of these sharks, tag them and monitor the activity in built up areas. That will give them more opportunity to prevent these sorts of things instead of paying a plane to fly overhead and try to spot them or get people in boats looking for them in the water- which wont happen in poor visibilty anyway.
Word around town is that locals will probably try do something about it themselves- Im not commenting on that.
Fish for thrills....
spinksy
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Did two dives saturday at Mindare
And the visability was crap very rough down there. I read in sundays paper it attacked while going down the anchor line so they pretty much anchored on top of it you would have no chance. It is getting very sharky from Floret down to Margaret river these days probably the fur seal numbers are to blame. As for one shark, very plausable and because no one knows enough about these things I wouldnt be ruling anything out.. What i do know is there will be polls etc in the media about culls and 98% of people voting dont dip a toe in the ocean! Problem sharks need to be culled! one here and there wont upset the balance.
Howard George
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I Reckon.
The sharks are starting to identify boats as a food source. I let Mike Burgess from fisheries here in Busso. know of my susp. last year . They have quite often paid us a visit before we can get a line in the water. If you're a diver and use a boat it may pay to drop a shark shield over the side before entering the water just in case. The mulie fisher at Dunsborough has a shark shield under the boat all the time when he's got a net in water.
fishnguru
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Here we go again !
Reminder the basics !!!!!........ sharks live in the water .... Humans live out of the water ... So if you wish to enter their territory then you are exposing yourselves to the Risks ...
Yes I do beleive that Shark numbers are increasing ... But so are the cars on the roads !!!!
So is the death toll of drivers under the age of 25 ...
Heartfelt Condolences to the Family of the poor guy - very sad ! ,However , we need to understand that Nature is a powerful thing .
Next time you go to the zoo with your kids , would you be prepared to enter the lions cage - expecting NOT to be in the line of fire.....
I 've seen/caught many Sharks and have always respected the fact that if you want to play in there yard - it's at their rules !
If everyone concentrated on the best things in life .... There would definately be a shortage of Fishing Rods !!!
red dawn
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The idea that we don't belong in the water
and therefore should accept people dying, might be a popular opinion with some, but it's not one I agree with. Sure, if you're out there there is allways a risk, but if it is the case that shark numbers are getting high, and we have regular attacks, which we are, it makes sense that we do a decent study on the matter. If reducing their numbers is likely to save people's lives then I think it's completely warranted to have a quota of a certain number that are killed. Of course the difficult thing will be working out the numbers....
spearfisher
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open up fishing for them
they should set shark drums in the area and try and catch it..
.this idea it there placeyou getting in there territory what crap any other animal kills a person something is done about it , crocodile kills some one thery go get it ,that crocodile turn up in coral bay the other year didnt even attack any one and they went out a shot it ,
mate theres a big diffent between a lion in a cage and shark in the ocean thats just stupid comment..
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Fishing Guru is just pointing
Fishing Guru is just pointing out an example bud. Sharks are just pure hunting killing machines and don't discriminate. Sharks do what they do so if we take your line of thinking then we must kill them all. GW's migrate it's been proven they will cover 1000's of km's in a season following whales and bigger prey. It's just bad luck if your in their way. Your avatar 'Spearfisher' says it all ,you want the threat taken away. I used to Scuba dive for years and it was always in the back of my mind but I went with the notion that if I get taken my own bad luck.
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fishnguru
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Thanks for the comment - I
Thanks for the comment - I would like to point out that Stupid as you may see it .... It is Realistic !!!
Shark drums ! - Attracting more hits - compounding the problem further ...... that makes me laugh !
If everyone concentrated on the best things in life .... There would definately be a shortage of Fishing Rods !!!
saltatrix
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When I was a young bloke the
When I was a young bloke the young Abo boys would say the crustacea species put out distress clicks which drive the sharks crazy and brings them in.
If this bloke was diving for crays etc. How do they not know it was a Tiger or a big Bronzie? Lot of big Bronzies around Salmon season
You can see them swim the shallows along Bunker bay and Dunsborough when the salmon schools come through. Bronzies are said not to give warning before they belt you.
Fisheries already have a bucket load of data on the Great White shark from the yellow RFID buoys just off the Perth metro coast a few hundred metres. They just don't want to release the data for some reason.
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Everyone is a expert. I just
Everyone is a expert. I just find it so hard for people to think you can take out a number 1 predator and not have a effect on the overall ecosystem? Infact i find it even harder to believe that people (even so called fisherman who are OCEAN EXPERTS) can think that it is okay to take all the food away from these Ocean Predators and it will have no effect.
My best guess is that with 45% of the ocean life gone sharks are having to look futher a field to find a feed.
As i said my best Guess because i'm not a Marine Biologist after all so my opinion is just that, a guess.
But for me i will enter the water still three to four days a week, not feeling scared. I save the scared feeling for driving to work everyday.
Codhead
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Good point Rod
When Perth drivers learn to merge and stop regarding indicating as 'Optional" you may have to recalculate the risk.
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woody
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Lift the fishing ban on them
Lift the fishing ban on them I say...but not the protection......Let people catch them, tag and release them. And make every tag a government funded satellite tracking tag.....
Then we can have fun, find out more about them, know exactly where each one is............and.....no GWs have to die.
Now I have to design and market a GW tracker to the diving sector.....
Rod P
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For me the numbers are
For me the numbers are negligent. I know that sounds bad but honestly the amount of deaths compared to the amount of people in teh water the odds are so high its not funny.
I would prefer the proposed $14 million to be used to help find a cure for child hood cancer..
Dizzy
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Shit YES. Now there's a
Shit YES.
Now there's a post with some decent perspective.
Save the odd person living it up in the ocean, or potentially save thousands of kids who may never get the chance to swim in it at all ?
It's a No brainer, especially when you consider the comparative risks already present in the average Joe's life, where the odds far outweigh any risk posed by a shark.
And seriously, does anyone have faith in the brain-dead fisheries think-tank ?
carnarvonite
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Date Joined: 24/07/07
Shark research
Been involved with blokes from shark research over a fair amount of time when they used to come aboard for a fortnight at a time when fishing up north and again on a weekly basis down south and the decisions on what goes is mainly political from pressure placed on the local pollie forcing closures etc.
Their job is about processing catch reports and tagging programs, growth rates and seasonal changes that may effect future specie populations in different areas. They do a wonderful job in at times very trying conditions to get the data needed for their research.
When Ken Crews got his leg bitten off at Cottesloe many years back we had Rory one of their main scientists onboard and were out of phone range for something like another 5 days after the event. He had about 500 missed calls and msgs waiting for him from tv and radio stations, the premier, pollies, media people from fisheries for him to deal with, glad it wasn't me!
The same thing happens every time something like this occurs and its always the same questions asked and usually by the same reporters, one would think they would have learnt something over the years, but no, all they are interested in is tv ratings and want to bombard us and blow it all out of proportion so we will watch their news segments.
Dizzy
Posts: 753
Date Joined: 21/02/11
I've got no problem with the
I've got no problem with the "hands-on" guys in any sort of field.
It's the theory-based desk jockey wankers with no idea of logic or practicality who assess the information, talk it over with other desk-jockey wankers, then pull bullshit solutions out of their assholes.
GlennO87
Posts: 182
Date Joined: 29/01/11
I think they need to start
I think they need to start tagging and so on. I also think the ban needs to be lifted on them.
I do agree with culling, then again i don`t because it is there world not ours.....And my opinion is once we are in there, we are no longer top of the food chain.
(((( Just so you all know. I am probably not meant to be saying this but people are saying it could of been a Tiger or Bronzie. I spoke to my mate who is a cop in Bunbury. It took the top half of him chest up, in one bite. His brother also saw a 4m white swim past the boat after he had pulled the body in. Being experienced divers. I would say they know there sharks well ))))
I love fishing. It`s escaping reality for a few hours for me!
GlennO87
Posts: 182
Date Joined: 29/01/11
Brad Y, i assume you saw it
Brad Y, i assume you saw it off Castle Rock in Dunsborough?
I was laughing because i meant it is the same shark doing ALL the attacks, even Perth....
I love fishing. It`s escaping reality for a few hours for me!