What's the worst fisheries rule you have heard of?

Mine would have to be " not being able to shuck abalone within 200m of the high water mark" WTF? This is surely a metro rule to enable fisheries officers to accurately measure ab fishos catches?

 

But down here in Esperance we have long ab seasons and we have always shucked where we caught them and recyled the shells to the sea...certainly aren't going to shuck them up in the bush (if camping out) or at home and put the shells in the bin!!

If we can have different seasons, bag limits etc on the south coast why keep this stupid rule?


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Mine would be

Mon, 2015-01-19 19:43

that if a person catches a bolt cutter three times in trip out they have to buy all the beers that night !

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 They donT want ppl treading

Mon, 2015-01-19 19:41

 They don

T want ppl treading on broken shells an crap on beach. Imaging if 1000 ppl did that, beach would be a

 

On trawlers we were not allowed to gut fish inside harbour mouth because it attracts sharks, same thing :)

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 max 2 dhus a boat seems

Mon, 2015-01-19 19:44

 max 2 dhus a boat seems stupid to me. i can understand they dont want everyones limit  of dhus taken off one spot but there seems to be more dhuies around lately than any other demersals

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especially at the abrholis islands

Mon, 2015-01-19 20:48

 Stay for afew days or a week and still only allowed 2 dhuies or parts there of for the trip

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 Should be 1 per licence max

Mon, 2015-01-19 20:54

 Should be 1 per licence max 4 and then stipulate only 1 more demersal each as they do now

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Definately

Tue, 2015-01-20 16:17

 Couldn't agree more Sammy, should be one per licence, it's hard to get your bag limit of two demersals per person with three people on your boat and only being allowed two dhuies.

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Yeah...

Mon, 2015-01-19 20:03

...but quite possibly that boat limit had something to do with more dhuies being around?

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The non shucking of abbs and

Mon, 2015-01-19 20:58

The non shucking of abbs and the banning of use of abalone and gut as bait is to prevent the spread of a virus that has decimated abb stocks in the east.

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Having the same bag

Mon, 2015-01-19 21:06

Having the same bag limits/rules in an area that has a population of over 1 million per 100km of coast, extending 700km to areas that only have maybe 50,000 per 100km.

Plus as Scottnofish said above about dhuies-make it same as coral trout, simpler all round.

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beached cray floats

Mon, 2015-01-19 21:30

 I emailed fisheries regarding collecting floats that have washed up on shore, i was told to leave them , and to report the floats whereabaouts to fisheries , they will collect them and return them to their owners.

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thats rediculous, think they

Mon, 2015-01-19 21:59

thats rediculous, think they may have misunderstood you.

There is nothing illegal about having possessing a set of floats with another ID on it, only PULLING gear as such.

Just curious why you would bother emailing them to ask them that though?

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yes rediculous

Mon, 2015-01-19 23:55

 i fish regularily behind Garden Island, and if i see floats on the beach, someone (usually not me) goes for a swim and collects the floats from the beach. A friend said it could be illegal, i emailed fisheries, and also spoke with them on the phone, i was told technically i am interferring with fishing gear. I should either report the floats ,or bring them to shore after phoning fisheries, they will meet me at the ramp to take possession of them!

 

my email : i have a question regarding collecting stray/ lost cray floats from the beach.

Am i breaking any regulation if i collect stray/ lost cray floats from an island beach (Garden Island) , and return them to shore in my boat?

 

the reply : Hi Paul,

        If you come across Rock Lobster floats that appear to be lost, please record the gear ID and call your local Fisheries Office and report them so that we can arrange to have them collected and returned to the owner.

If you have any further questions on this matter please feel free to contact myself on 9*** ****.

 

 

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gotta ask the question with

Mon, 2015-01-19 22:06

gotta ask the question with regards to the Marroning in trophy waters with only a snare and not any other method.

I personally got no issues with the snare, I've got pretty good at it with time, but I feel for the older generation.

I was watching an older couple the other night try get some Marron and just not able to with eye sight, hand eye co-ordination etc.

Spoke to them and they said they have been Marroning most of their life and completely agree with the bag limits, they only need one or 2 each for a feed but said they just really struggled snaring and that to go to most non-trophy waters was too difficult, and didn't want to be walking through the bush to get to rivers etc at their age.

Anyway, that's just one I don't understand really, would be like saying in Metro waters your only allowed to use jigs to catch Dhu's and not bait. How would you ever expect a 60+ year old to enjoy fishing from a boat if they had to jig all day long....

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Don't you also have to stand

Mon, 2015-01-19 22:07

Don't you also have to stand on one leg, looking only through your right eye, facing in a NNW direction and humming Ba Ba Black Sheep when fishing for Marron? The MOST ridiculous set of rules I've ever come across for anything.

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Paying $40 for a license to

Mon, 2015-01-19 22:03

Paying $40 for a license to catch a fish (Redfin Perch) I am told not to return to the water regardless of size. If I have to pay $40 for a freshwater fishing licence which I'll use about 2x per year why should I kill small reddies when I can chuck em back and let them grow for next time.

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I understand your issue with

Mon, 2015-01-19 22:05

I understand your issue with it, only defence I have is Redfin are aggressive, destructive fish, eat plenty of baby marron and Trout and ultimately destroy the fresh water habitats.

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Yeah mate, agree which is why

Mon, 2015-01-19 22:11

Yeah mate, agree which is why I do take all the reddies home but it sucks I have to pay $40 to catch a noxious (yet delicious) species. Should only have to pay the licence if you intent on keeping trout.

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Guarantee

Tue, 2015-01-20 06:51

You have to pay because while you are catching redfin there is no guarantee that you won't catch trout at the same time and if its hooked deep in its gut then you cannot release it

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We get a bum deal here when

Tue, 2015-01-20 07:33

We get a bum deal here when it comes to freshwater compared to the other states.

In Vic the freshwater licence is $24 a year and their fisheries stock 700 000 trout and salmon plus over 2 million cod, perch and bass per year.

In NSW the licence costs $35 a yr but this includes fresh and saltwater so you dont need the extra boat fishing licence we have to get here. Their fisheries also stock over 7 million fingerlings a year of trout, salmon, cod, perch and bass.

For our $40 per year we get to fish for runt Redfin and a few ex brood stock trout which only survive for a few months anyway. I would happily pay $40 for a licence if the fisheries stocked some fish that are suitable to our environment.

 

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And even better I just looked

Tue, 2015-01-20 10:24

And even better I just looked up the NSW site and you can buy a 3 days licence for $7. That would be perfect for us metro fishers who may or may only go on one weekend camping trip per year.

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fisheries regs

Tue, 2015-01-20 08:11

The most ridiculous thing I have heard from a fisheries officer was during the demersal ban they pulled my old man up at the point peron ramp to check his catch. He said he got his bag of crays and a small wobby in one of the pots that he threw back.

The fisheries lady said luckily he threw the wobby back as he would have been charged for Trapping Fish as it wasn’t caught on a line! The old man and his mate pissed themselves laughing and said “so what if I said I caught it on that whiting handline with 10lb line on it?”  And apparently that would be ok.....so it might be worth keeping a handline on your boat to satisfy over excited fisheries officers.

It makes it hard to respect them when you play by the rules and this is what you are up against

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Too many

Tue, 2015-01-20 09:40

Too many to list, and the new rules will be published in March this year . So will add my comments then, I'm sure i will have plenty to winge about then , lol

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2 dhu

Tue, 2015-01-20 10:12

2 dhu boat limit... stupid 1 each surely. you cant tell me there's people out there not "upgrading", also red snapper/ nannygai what ever the ones out from perth should be a limit of 6. hell black arse limits shouldn't be in your limit of two. yeah drive 40 kms out catch 2 30cm blackarse and come home.-get real

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fishing

Tue, 2015-01-20 11:55

 not allowing crayfishermen to catch fish for the table!!!!

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I can legally catch and keep

Tue, 2015-01-20 12:18

I can legally catch and keep 2 big greyband cod, nothing wrong with that.

But once I fillet them both, I've broken the law if the weight of the fillets exceeds my 20kg possession limit

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Yes

Tue, 2015-01-20 14:36

Yes this is pathetic and realy needs to be sorted out.

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def a first world dilemma

Tue, 2015-01-20 14:48

def a first world dilemma ....but one that doesn't seem to affect me.

seriously though what's the alternative ?
in reality most have family it can be "allotted" to at home and 20kg per person, licensed or not, is a pretty decent amount to have in the freezer

Edit: realise its a law but Im sure fisheries prob understand that it can happen and therefore (I could be wrong here)no one has ever been fined/prosecuted for this.
would be interested to hear otherwise though.

in fact has anyone on here know anyone who has had their house/freezer checked by fisheries ?

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Not at home

Tue, 2015-01-20 15:03

I'm more concerned at the boat ramp than at home ( ie : i pull up to the ramp, fisheries check my catch. I have a Dhu, a snapper and three tuna. All legal and have no problems. I go to the wash station that has filleting tables. Fillet my fish and fisheries walk up to check me again, now i have more than 20 kgs and are fined. )

I havn't heard of it happening, but the fisheries have been very hammering people over cray catches even tho IMO they are within the boat limit. It leaves it open to be used if they feel like being pricks and should be sorted out .

 

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yeah I wasn't thinking public

Tue, 2015-01-20 16:20

yeah I wasn't thinking public cleaning stations as I don't use them
In that situation: if you believe you would go over the 20kg just fillet at home.....(sometimes easier said than done though... but I guess where a law can be conflicting it does need to be sorted out.....just pretty hard to find an alternative.

A fisheries officer would have to be having a really bad day for them to do that !

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A demersal ban that's not

Tue, 2015-01-20 16:26

A demersal ban that's not actually a ban. If your a pro you can go for your life...

The message that that sends is just bullshit... If I hear of crew poaching more than bag limits or undersize etc I frown upon them.

If I hear of anyone taking Dhuis etc during the ban I say good on em...

Its either all in or all out not some poxy bandaid rule to make it look like the pollys are doing some good...

Marine Parks what a load of shit....

Woody totally agree that's a load of shit regarding the abs. Tassy imagine if 20,000,000 people did it - gosh....

No prior recognition for rec skippers tickets!!

Many on here would have more experience than the blokes they're giving the 120 bucks to to "deem them capable"

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no prior recognition for rec

Tue, 2015-01-20 17:05

no prior recognition for rec skippers? I got it having commercial tickets but I guess that rec have never had to know any of it so it'd be hard to dish them out just willy nilly?

Pros-all the pro restrictions and cut backs came in BEFORE the rec stuff, and they were savage.

They are a different set for sure but for maximise the value of any commercial fishery you need a steady supply hence why commercial crays are worth more now.

How would it be to have to have a million dollar boat tied up for 2 months, for a ban whjich isnt even at the optimum time for its intended purpose?

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Crays are worth more because

Tue, 2015-01-20 18:10

Crays are worth more because of supply demand Rob, I worked in the Southern Zone SA who were the first to bring quotas in and I saw the whinge first hand... Guys were going to go out of business etc etc... Now they earn twice as much fishing half the days.... The total tonnage has dropped but the price has gone through the roof... It was $105/kg back there only a week or so ago...

I don't see it being an issue closing Snapper Dhu etc for a couple of months it just means people buy a different variety.... You buy Mango's in summer right.....

As far as the million dollar boat being tied up Rob, well in SA all my mates million dollar boats sit dry far longer than they are wet because of the fishery and how its been managed... They aint complaining now!!

I get what your saying in regarding proof for prior recognition but surely if you've been a boat owner for a certain amount of years you must qualify to have the basic skills they teach you during the rec skip course??

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The rec licence came in

Tue, 2015-01-20 18:34

The rec licence came in BECAUSE many people who had been driving boats for years had never had a reason to learn the Colregs.

Plus the Gov needed a bit of extra money

 

Wetlining/line fishing has never been as profitable as crays.

Also when the pro line fish industry was being "rationalised" as it was very heavily, rec fisherpeople werent saying "should have a ban", they were clapping.

Then when the rec rules came in afterward, people see it as unfair-but metro fisherpeople got a total commercial line/net fishing ban in return which in hindsight would seem to be a pretty damn good swap looking at comments on the metro fishing health?

 

Tim I was also a commercial operator, swords/tuna, dropline, cray, charter and finished up when this process was going on so was involved in both sides.
I dont think anyone was short changed more than anyone else, its just too easy to look at a small portion and form an opinion.

 

The time is now, for both sides to team up and and be united against the greenies, not niggle about who got what and then be left with nothing at all.

As said on a famous TV show

"There are those who make things happen, those who watch things happen-and those who wonder what the fuck happened"!

The Marine Parks/PEW etc thing seems a little distant now, but it will be back, with a vengeance, more organised and more money-and more gumbies who have no fkn idea but sign an online petition cos it looks good

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All very sound points

Tue, 2015-01-20 22:11

A very good post Rob, we are all entitled to our own views etc and it should be that way. What you have said about PEW and company is, unfortunately so very true.
Some one once said the price of freedom (in our case fishing) is eternal vigilance.
My apologies to the originator of the saying I don't know who first said it.

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I just think the ban if they

Tue, 2015-01-20 18:11

I just think the ban if they want to deem it a ban has to be either all in or all out...

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Good points Rob...

Tue, 2015-01-20 21:05

Good points Rob...

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fisheries bloke

Tue, 2015-01-20 21:35

fisheries bloke telling me at onslow "you shot a potato cod" nah isn't mate its a flowery cod that has been on ice for 5 hrs , well I am confiscating it , ok well if your so certain its a potato cod why don't you charge me , letting you of this time , saved himself humiliation in court

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good points rob h in

Tue, 2015-01-20 23:00

good points rob h

in regards to the ban ,

many blokes don't know the commercials do have a ban on between 15th aug - 15th oct , this used to apply to the shark fishery ,for the prime breeding time of whiskery shark pupping fairly sure it still does ,the recs ban comes on when theres finishes ', they just don't coincide for the same two months

the rec ban was to reduce effort
commercial ban was to protect breeding stock
theres makes more sense imo

best decisions ever made have been the removal of wet line capacity from the rock lobster boats , same as the reduction in demersal bag limits for recs, rock lobster quotas for commercials has proven a winner for the biomass as well

recs can fish , we buy a licence , commercials can recreationally fish too, just not off there licenced vessel , no probs with that ,it is as it should be imo

stupidest law,?? way too many fisheries regs that fit this to name em all

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 The stupidest rule I have

Wed, 2015-01-21 17:30

 The stupidest rule I have ever seen is when down in Tassy, fisheries came up on us one night about 2am. Came on board to check our tanks.After about 10 mins, skipper comes down from wheelhouse with one of em an tells us..

 

"they want u guys to put on life jacket lads"

 

We laughed at that an fisheries looked a little pissy, it seems some idiot desk pusher decided fisherman on trawlers need to use life vests.  (idiot has prolly never left dock in his life) It's usually pen pushers make the laws with no experiance in the job.

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Unfortunatly sad but true

Wed, 2015-01-21 22:31

People (not all) make regulations without studying how those regs will impact on others going about their business. In some cases complying with the regs can place a person in danger.

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which comes back to what Ive

Wed, 2015-01-21 22:39

which comes back to what Ive said many a time-just because something maybe illegal, doesnt automatically make it immoral!

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Should there be a ban

Thu, 2015-01-22 07:15

On cat1 from shore...... Its only winter time that lots of cat1 are taken from shore/// Pinkie off rock walls

And the ban thats hurting trade.... Camp site Hoilday homes Fishing shops The list goes on... Should in be one month now... With all the fish out there

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Good points also

Thu, 2015-01-22 08:49

Good points also Hezzy...

Why not keep the rec's & pro's in sink during the breeding period for demersals...

Another daft rule....

I'm not sure how the reg's are here in WA as I'm somewhat out of the loop now but in SA we used to have Big Eye Quota but unrestricted on Hapuka so of course you would target Puka until the Quota of Big Eye which is obviously a bi-catch is filled...

The SA government in all of their wisdom decided it would be a good idea to grant a 14,000 hook auto bait/liner a permit to start fishing out on the shelf where there were half a dozen other boats ticking along... The over heads for that vessel meant it had to fish full time to keep the cash flow happening... It would be very easy for an irresponsible skipper to do whats right for the business and wrong for the species and continue chasing Puka while throwing the Big Eye back... Needless to say we gave up drop lining as the fish stocks plummeted...

Like the thousands of Tonnes of Dory that used to go over the side if they missed the shot on the Hill off St Helens chasing the Roughie back in the day...

Sad but true

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if I remember correctly (and

Thu, 2015-01-22 09:17

if I remember correctly (and I cant find much documented now) the recommendation was for the 2 month closure to be Dec/Jan (peak breeding period)

but as the politicians didnt think it would fly being xmas school holidays it was made Oct-Dec, not even the peak time for its intented purpose.

Hence why Im cynical about it.

cut and pasted straight from Fisheries website

"Unlike the Cockburn Sound pink snapper closure and the Abrolhos Island baldchin groper closure, which are designed to protect aggregations of spawning fish, the demersal finfish closure is one of several management measures to reduce the recreational catch in this area by at least 50 per cent. This reduction was required following independently reviewed research that showed demersal species, like dhufish, pink snapper and baldchin groper, were being overfished.

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