WC future is dark n gloomy....

 Gday fellas,

 

How does one post pictures on this site?

 

Just back from a Hunting trip in NZ, if anyone is interested i'll post my first ever pic on here like a big boy...

 

I couldnt be fucked reading the 200 new messages on the footy thread and WC do seem to deserve their own thread...

 

Jacky boy, I think if the hawks smoke WC this week then surely the hammer will come down on a few heads in different departments at the club...

 

List management

 

Medicos

 

Footy Dep all need a clean out...

 

Harley Reid the gun that will be next years no.1 pick must be hoping he doesnt end up in the west as Its going to be a lengthy rebuild this one me thinks!

 

My thoughts only of course!


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 Was just double checking the

Fri, 2023-05-19 11:22

 Was just double checking the ladder Boon, yep the Hawks are last. 

Use Imgur mate, Create and account upload the pics there.  Select BB code and large thumbnail option it will automaticaly copy and you can literally paste it here.  

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 Typical Freo flog troll

Fri, 2023-05-19 11:45

 Typical Freo flog troll post. Nice try lol

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 Yep I think you're right

Fri, 2023-05-19 12:32

 Yep I think you're right Boon. Who really gives a fuck what happens with 17th vs. 18th? I'm going to watch the Cats play tomorrow. At least it should be good footy!

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Yep...hopefully Freo can make

Fri, 2023-05-19 12:38

Yep...hopefully Freo can make a decent game of it, not get blown away by 100 pts like some teams.

West coast will be back next year, get some injured players back, plus a few picks in the draft should be all good to go no worries.

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 You are dreaming

Fri, 2023-05-19 13:38

 You are dreaming Brocko....

 

They have a hand full of players that would get a game at another club....

 

This will be a lengthy rebuild, remembering there is no point floundering in the middle of the pack like so many do....

 

IMO a rebuild means getting to the point you can actually have a crack at a flag....

 

Freo will go well....

 

Howdy Dave, are you down south soaking up some sun mate?

 

Yep you are right Andy, Hawks will be down that end for a couple or years I think, once the core group get a decent amount of games into them then I reckon they'll be in a flag window soon enough for long enough....

 

If there are any WC supporters that want $20 on this game i'll give you 10 points in.....

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 Go ya $50 mate

Fri, 2023-05-19 14:20

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 Was never taking up that bet

Mon, 2023-05-22 09:56

 Was never taking up that bet Boob but I didn't expect the flogging we got! Things are indeed very bad at MinRes Park!

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It does seem that the Eagles have a long road ahead

Sat, 2023-05-20 17:56

 Yeah, the injury list is a mile long and hasnt been managed well, so that should be taken into account (and addressed). You would think maybe 5 more  years  outside the top 8 before they are a threat again?

After that flogging from the Suns, I can't see them beating the Hawks in Tassie, but both teams are shit atm, so it's possible and I hope Andy collects on the bet with Boon lol.

Are we back to "Flagmantle" now? 

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5 more years of shit...you

Sat, 2023-05-20 18:20

5 more years of shit...you got that right. Stay on topic Gabsy, dont be a flog like Simo, at least Andy has balls and backs his team unlike the rest on here who go missing.

Flagmantle, what a load of shit...made up by another eagles cock!!...no success true, but at least after the Lyon period we rebuilt. Look forward to the next 5 years..

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 Well that one point win by

Sat, 2023-05-20 23:08

 Well that one point win by the Bombers netted me $1120 profit off a 3 game multi, happy days are here again lol. I'll chuck a bet on the Eags tomoz very much worth the money imo, Hawks are as shite as us. 

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1 Point

Sun, 2023-05-21 09:56

 That 1 point win by the Bombers is the only black mark on my tipping so far this weekend

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Sun, 2023-05-21 15:49

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 Lol not much more he can

Sun, 2023-05-21 16:23

 Lol not much more he can say, I actually don't blame the players they obviously aren't being coached right at the moment. 

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 Shouldn't be getting flogged

Sun, 2023-05-21 16:57

 Shouldn't be getting flogged like that by the bottom team, the media will lap it up with tanking talk.

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The one weekend I go away

Sun, 2023-05-21 20:44

The one weekend I go away with no mobile reception.....

Yeah we're in a world of hurt and today was rock bottom. I'd hate the stigma of a wooden spoon but we've got a real opportunity to trade that pick out and be contending for finals in 3-4 years with a depth squad if we play our cards right

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Enjoy it while it lasts.

Sun, 2023-05-21 21:44

Enjoy it while it lasts. Let's see if the May premiers can be September premiers for the 3rd time in 70 years 

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Sounds like you've already

Sun, 2023-05-21 22:05

Sounds like you've already got your Google maps eta on the road ahead. Only a matter of time eh?

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Still trying to qualify

Mon, 2023-05-22 01:30

Still trying to qualify as high as possible at this stage. Haven't even made the finals yet this year.

 

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Jumped the gun.

Mon, 2023-05-22 06:54

 I certainly jumped the gun with my criticism of Freo after the first 3-4 rounds. Looking like a completely different team now playing with a bit of flare. 

WC on the other hand..... If Simmo sees out this contract i'd be surprised! 

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 Not simos fault. Shit list

Mon, 2023-05-22 07:19

 Not simos fault.

 

Shit list management, poor player conditioning.... Again

 

Frosty you are dreaming!!!

 

In 5 years time?

 

They haven't had a top ten pick since Gaff, the only way they'll be any good in 5 years is if they win the spoon for the next couple before Tassie comes in and sweeps the draft...

 

Will Harley want to come West will be the question.

 

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Except for Ginbey who was

Mon, 2023-05-22 15:15

Except for Ginbey who was pick 9 lol. As I've mentioned in the other thread, I can’t see West Coast drafting Reid but instead splitting it into 3x first round picks then offering English a godfather huge money free agency deal that is heavily front ended so we are paying him less as our emerging group of high draft picks begin entering their prime.

Talking of shit list management I notice you went a bit quiet when I mentioned Wingard for pick 15, 35 and Burton and a 4 year free agency deal for Amon who is basically an AC Cola version of Gaff in the other thread.

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 Been a bit of history with

Mon, 2023-05-22 16:01

 Been a bit of history with front ended deals not going well with them wanting to leave when the money starts to drop. Makes it hard to know a player is really coming for the right reasons. 

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Don't you guys

Mon, 2023-05-22 16:32

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boon at least your making

Tue, 2023-05-23 05:25

boon at least your making sense of the issue at west coast

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Not all Simmos fault*

Mon, 2023-05-22 07:57

 The coach still has to get the best out of the hand they are dealt.... It certainly isn't his fault, but when you are beaten by over 100 points by the last team on the ladder, you certainly aren't helping the issue!! He appears to be extrememly flat to me!!

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 Yep, he's certsainly part of

Mon, 2023-05-22 08:09

 Yep, he's certsainly part of the problem. But FCK me has team management dropped the ball, if there isn't wholesale change big questions should be asked at their AGM. Jobs for the boys etc

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well how hard would it be to

Tue, 2023-05-23 05:38

well how hard would it be to get motivated every week , and be up bouncing about mentally ?/

the bloke has a world of hurt going on with very limited ability to make changes

he has ahuge injury list almost unprecedented at the club
his recruiting managers have srewed up from about 2 years before they did the kelly trade
they kept too many senior players
recruited too mnay b grade young players who are really not quite good enough for WAFL contention

now simmo is being expected every week to take the only 26 b grade WAFL young undercooked , inexperienced players , and transport them into some sort of cohesive, star team that can win every second week with the attitude of lions
and if thats not bad enough he is very limited to what he can say at pressers, every time ,

he cant whinge , he cant blame anyone else, he has to try to carry the whole shite show publicly

far out

we could drop the top 4 AFL COACHES in , sack simmo and it still wont turn it around this year imo ,,

not asking too much is it of the bloke

and dont get me started on the idiot that is don punch ,, another shite show being run by mclown , slow train wreck coming , that we will have to all wear

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No doubt!

Tue, 2023-05-23 06:48

 It would be very hard! No doubting that. But that is the role of the coach in my view.

You have to get the best effort out of the list you have to play with each week. If you aren't getting any effort from a whole list who should essentially be playing for their future, you aren't performing. As you have said, it is also clear that the issues run much deeper. 

 

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Don't think the trip down

Mon, 2023-05-22 08:19

Don't think the trip down there is easy on any team and Hawthorne do play well there.

I don't know much about WC list, but seriously there's a real effort issue there, you would think any young player getting a run in any AFL side would be running is ass off but its just not happening.

Back to Back WOODEN SPOONS...Geez i like the sound of that!! Wet toast can joke about our trophy cabinet but now they will have the wood on us for sure.

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Simmo

Mon, 2023-05-22 17:13

 Simmo wants to sit them all down and remind them that its not only his job on the line because right now every other side and coach is looking at who performs and who is dragging their feet and if they are dumped at season end there won't be any one willing to pick them up.

This is a real chance after their last insipid performance.

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 That's about the nuts of it,

Mon, 2023-05-22 18:42

 That's about the nuts of it, he really needs to get some kind of motivation from them. If not then show him the door, sad way to go but at the end of the day they are supposedly a professional outfit. 

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Hardwick walking from

Mon, 2023-05-22 18:57

Hardwick walking from Richmond, that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons in the coaching circles. Simmo may well not see out his contract....

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The WA media love it...Ross

Tue, 2023-05-23 08:55

The WA media love it...Ross Lyons was hunted hard, was it his fault, his coaching style, his list and selection ?? But no its not Simmo's fault.

Barrich coming out last night in defense. The eagles cant afford to sack him, and nothings going to change anyway. Will get a few injured players back next year and might get of the bottom of the ladder just, all going well.

Bombers this week will be hungry as fk and there crowd will be ruthless....let alone next week V Pies at home, will be interesting to see how many turn up..let alone stay till full time.

Love it, couldn't of happened to a better mob..and its only just started ha...BaaaHaaa.

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Tue, 2023-05-23 09:26

 Meanwhile at  Dorkers HQ 

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LOL...I'm still smiling, and

Tue, 2023-05-23 09:31

LOL...I'm still smiling, and looking forward to the footy on the weekend!.

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wheres the like button when

Tue, 2023-05-23 09:58

wheres the like button andy
when you need it !!!

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Where's all the Carlton Mid

Tue, 2023-05-23 20:15

Where's all the Carlton Mid Western Derby premiership trophies?

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 If I was a Freo supporter

Tue, 2023-05-23 10:43

 If I was a Freo supporter I'd be getting to every WC game , then you could enjoy WA footy every week  

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 I think the coach needs to

Tue, 2023-05-23 11:20

 I think the coach needs to be scrutinised very closely but to sack him mid-season will only make matters worse. I think this fish is definitely rotting from the head down. A mate has been involved in recruiting at WC for a long time and he has been gradually but clearly sidelined due to being too old school. Wants kids that have skills and can play footy rather than athletes that can supposedly be taught how to play the game. I know a couple of player managers and they have also questioned the approach that has been taken.

IMO it's time for a serious cleanout but who will oversee that objectively? When the board is not appointed by members or their representatives, it's just a boys club where they all look out for one another. Being accountable from the bootlacer to the CEO and President has worked at Richmond, and looks to be working at Collingwood. WCE don't have to look too hard for some possible answers.

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Sounds like its embedded and

Tue, 2023-05-23 12:52

Sounds like its embedded and very difficult to change...includes the board who are all looking after each other. Its all good though very financial with a massive supporter base. Edit...a few Cups.. Nothing to see here...

Might be wrong but didn't Collingwood's board get rid of Eddie and another before it filtered down to Bucks ?

Paul D...Exactly mate. Winning :)

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Their all to comfortable in

Tue, 2023-05-23 11:30

 Their good paying roles, they won't rock the boat that feeds them

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It is nice to sit back and

Tue, 2023-05-23 14:47

It is nice to sit back and see WC struggle, spent enough years doing that as a freo supporter lol

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 Yeah I guess that's fair. A

Tue, 2023-05-23 14:51

 Yeah I guess that's fair. A lot of us Eagles supporters have enjoyed Freo's years of frustration. Freo is now better managed and better coached and the results are showing that.

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 My apologies Frosty, I

Tue, 2023-05-23 16:35

 My apologies Frosty, I didn't see the Wingard comment....

 

That was a decision that went badly for Hawthorn but in reality Burton has done fuck all and is just another defender where as Wing was/is a match winner on his day but you are right it didnt work...

 

Hawks like every club have had plenty - Ty Vickory is another that comes to mind...

 

Sometimes tough decisions have to be made - Treloar and Grundy at the pies could very well go down as the two ballsiest list management decisions of all time if they win the flag this year.... Could also backfire if they meet a fit Gawn and Grundy Melb outfit in Finals....

 

I don't begrudge the Eagles last year having another crack but they should have showed several blokes the door this year and picked up some more youngsters....

 

Shuey remaining Capt is also a very strange decision in my mind.....

 

I'm not sure chasing English will solve anything, he is another injury prone player....

 

You need a heap of B+ players not a couple of expensive A graders who will be the next crop of spoilt C&%Ts which seems to be the current culture at the Eagles.....

 

The Hawks paying 1.30 was a gift, I see the bombers are paying 1.04..... Still worth opening your kids money boxes, selling your house, draining your super and getting that 4% return

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A Hawthorn supporter

Wed, 2023-05-24 15:15

A Hawthorn supporter lecturing other supporters about club culture after actively avoiding drafting Indigenous players for 50 years and then mistreating those that do eventually make the cut… looks like Trevor Nisbett may have found a new CEO job although I am unsure if he owns a white hood so he may not fit the bill lol.

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Shouldn't simo

Wed, 2023-05-24 18:39

 take 3 months off now

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 Lol fuck off

Fri, 2023-05-26 07:17

 Lol fuck off frosty....

 

Hawthorn has fallen on its own sword....

 

Apart from Kennett making a comment about riolis missus ripped jeans they have done nothing wrong....

 

It will be interesting if these faceless accusers ever front up, I have my doubts...

 

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The whole thing has been

Fri, 2023-05-26 08:59

The whole thing has been botched from the beginning.
 
I yearn for the days where the various football shows, WWOS, journos etc actually talk about football and what is happening on the field and break down games rather than the like of Barrett, Wilson, Cornes, Hutchinson making themselves the headlines. It's now that far beyond boring and monotonous that I don't even bother watching them.
 

 

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 totally agree about the

Sat, 2023-05-27 05:48

 totally agree about the programs and the bullshit on game day is just as bad, am not watching many games now.

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Love the winners to come back,it was brillant

Fri, 2023-05-26 12:27

 World of sport etc, game is pretty well stuffed now

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 Love the Front bar, some

Fri, 2023-05-26 12:42

 Love the Front bar, some great interviews on there. One I always remember was Allen Jackovich , what a beast. 

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 I agree Andy. It's always

Fri, 2023-05-26 15:06

 I agree Andy. It's always good for a few laughs and they don't take themselves too seriously. Some great guests on there too.

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 Bombers out to

Fri, 2023-05-26 14:36

 Bombers out to 1.07...

 

Value!!

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 I've taken the Eagles

Fri, 2023-05-26 16:03

 I've taken the Eagles @$10.50 in a multi  Boon there's value ;) 

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Me too lol

Fri, 2023-05-26 21:02

Me too lol

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 Hows the interchange

Fri, 2023-05-26 20:13

 Hows the interchange infringement when  cripps came off. Not punished by the umps way to early. 

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 Sorry andy is that $10.50 at

Fri, 2023-05-26 20:43

 Sorry andy is that $10.50 at less than 60 points?

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 Hey Jack, Do the Eagles win

Sat, 2023-05-27 05:03

 Hey Jack,

 

Do the Eagles win more games or less games next year?

 

Me thinks less....

 

Records could tumble, longest losing streak in AFL history...

 

The club seems to have gone up in flames since Daniel Kerr left the joint.

 

What do you reckon Simo? 

 

 

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 Every thing goes up in

Sat, 2023-05-27 05:52

 Every thing goes up in flames when Daniel Kerr leaves .

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More games or less games

Mon, 2023-05-29 11:03

More games or less games than?

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 I think there are clearly

Mon, 2023-05-29 11:17

 I think there are clearly fundamental problems at WCE that need to be addressed around recruiting and getting those recruits up to AFL standard. There are so many players there that have had plenty of chances and are just not good enough. Compare that to a player like Ginbey who runs rings around so many experienced and inexperienced Eagles players. Conditioning is another area that needs a lot of work.

The Swans lost 26 consecutive games in '92/93 and I don't think WCE will take that from them Boon. It might not come until late in the season when a few experienced guys come back but I'm hoping the drought can be broken then. I agree that next year is looking prett ordinary unless some of the younger guys can take a step up. There is likely to be (should be) a bunch of retirements at the end of the season.

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Need to trade some experienced

Mon, 2023-05-29 13:42

 Players in, pies have done very well in draft and mid season drafts

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Chesser looks a long way from

Mon, 2023-05-29 22:13

Chesser looks a long way from being even a B grade player. To think we could have grabbed Hobbs, Johnson, Jacob van Rooyen... time will tell I guess when he gets a decent run at it.

I like the way Hough goes about it and I think Bazzo and Long were late pick steals but guys like Putridchelle, O'Neil, Rotham, Foley, Edwards, Clarke and West are all just list cloggers we are stuck with by trying to be clever with our drafting and that old chestnut of not taking Geelong's 2018 offer of Kelly for Brander plus our pick 18.

It's going to take patience and time to turn that middle mushy part of the list over which is why we'll still need some senior guys like Yeo around to be onfield leaders and protect the younger players.

One thing I've loved this year is seeing the emergence of Oscar as a key forward and the way he takes a mark at the highest point possible is insane unlike Darling who does this weird hybrid mark with palms pointed out but tries to take it on this chest. Either take a chest mark or mark it out in front you goose!!

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 Andy save your

Sat, 2023-05-27 05:06

 Andy save your cash...

 

Unfortunately they are smoked, I think every wafl club would beat them right now.

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 except the eagles wafl team

Sat, 2023-05-27 05:51

 except the eagles wafl team boon. That would be a draw.

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Crazy weekend so far

Sat, 2023-05-27 17:14

 Can the e girls win

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 Jack?

Sun, 2023-05-28 08:29

 Jack?

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Theyll

Sun, 2023-05-28 14:23

 See it as a win

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 Sorry again I didn't see

Tue, 2023-05-30 04:04

 Sorry again I didn't see your reply frosty.

 

Will they win more or less games next year?

 

I'm thinking they won't win another game for about 3 years.

 

It's kinda got to the point where a 50 point loss at home seems like a win.

 

I hope I'm wrong, I don't like seeing any club flounder but feels like by the time they turn things around the draft pool could be affected by Tassie and their current good young players like Barrass and Allen will be getting to the other end of their careers.

 

List management for a few years is key....

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You already seen last nights

Tue, 2023-05-30 08:52

You already seen last nights news Timboon...so this post pre emptying Ch 7 and the coach putting a 50 points loss out there as a win doesn't cant.

Was heading south Saturday arvo...all the signs on the freeway stated..."Stadium Event" - expect delays. made me giggle..

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Less in 2024 and again in

Tue, 2023-05-30 14:42

Less in 2024 and again in 2025 and likely the same in 2006.

We'll bring in Devon Robertson cheap this year via trade and will have millions to throw at free agency over the next 3 years along with building our list with high draft picks.... if we get them right.

If there was the ability to turn back time to the Kelly draft, Gov on big $ etc I'd still back what the club did because a flag in the hand trumps a potential two.

In my egg on face Pies thread I was all for trading out Gaff and Darling in 2021. Too late now as neither player has currency.

If you wanna place a wager on us not winning another game for 3 years I'll gladly stump up...

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Full stadium this weekend

Tue, 2023-05-30 09:16

 Brocko

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Wonder what 60+ will be

Tue, 2023-05-30 09:22

Wonder what 60+ will be paying ?....$1.01

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 Just imagine an upset eh Unc

Tue, 2023-05-30 10:20

 Just imagine an upset eh Unc

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 Unfortunately that's up

Tue, 2023-05-30 11:04

 Unfortunately that's up there with me thinking I stand a chance with supermodels Andy!!

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 Ha ha ha me too Dave, but

Tue, 2023-05-30 11:28

 Ha ha ha me too Dave, but there's always that inkling of a chnace ;) 

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A chance for

Tue, 2023-05-30 11:16

 Some sheckels Andy, let's hope not

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 We are going to get taken to

Tue, 2023-05-30 11:34

 We are going to get taken to the cleaners, Sportsbet should be setting odds of $25 imo 

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 I wouldn't be game to throw

Tue, 2023-05-30 14:33

 I wouldn't be game to throw a big margin on this one as could be weather affected and pies will no doubt be in cruise mode rather than full kill mode....

 

+25 should be a canter though...

 

 

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 How bad is the afls washing

Tue, 2023-05-30 18:05

 How bad is the afls washing of their hands of this Hawthorne situation all they have done is pass it on to the court.

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 Seems strange to me....

Tue, 2023-05-30 22:19

 Seems strange to me....

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 Agree that it seems very odd

Wed, 2023-05-31 10:10

 Agree that it seems very odd to have an investigation and then just say "nothing to see here - move on". Yes they've left the door open but why put everyone involved through this for nothing?

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 Yep absolute cop out Dave,

Wed, 2023-05-31 10:18

 Yep absolute cop out Dave, as Guy has said over to the money hungry lawyers now and civil action. They've resolved nothing. But it's now a he said she said scenario....

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Be interesting to see if

Wed, 2023-05-31 13:02

Be interesting to see if defamation cases come from it. Surely someone mentioned to these players that if they wanted to level accusations then they would be required to back them up

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