I seen both at bluewater  morley, hi speed and standard.the 4000 loks sexxy.

if you are after the older z4000 We have one left in stock for $699, we also have the new 2010 4000's in stock also but there is a big price difference.

Compleat Angler Nedlands have them in stock. I would IMO buy a SW 5000, bought a z4000 and took it back a week later and changed it for a sw5000.. just smoother and nice IMO.. also got 300m of pe2 Daiwa saltiga hyper sensor braid(35lb) on it

cheers fellas

will definitely contemplate those 4000's

john what line did you run on the z4000 when you had it? looking back through old posts saw a nice sambo you hauled in when you had the outfit.

do you think 30lb is too "light" for this reel, and are they more suited to 40-50lb?

can pick up the z4500 and z4000 for same price just depends on what line they are better suited to.

want to use the outfit for light jigging as you did, as well as bluefin tuna, livebaiting and light poppering for kings if that helps.....

already have an 80lb catalina outfit which has served me well so far on the heavy side of things

30lb is not too light for 4000/4500, the 4000 just has a smaller spool capacity, even if you spooled the 4000 up with PE3 saltiga you will most likely still fit 300ms on the reel.

I would highly consider the 2010 4000, personaly i reackon this is a better size.

The sw5000 is a high speed spinning reel, the 2010 4000low saltiga would be a much better reel for light jigging. Also the new saltigas are waterproof! 

I got a Saltiga Z4500 spooled with 50lb braid and used it for GT's up north, Sambos here in Metro. Great all round reel and one of my favs.

Am going to get a second spool for a lighter braid soon as well for it.

cheers fellas

luke, my thoughts exactly on the stella 5k. not keen on that ratio, even though i dont do much jigging regularly the low speed will function better livebaiting and trolling for tuna. would love a new 2010 salty but havent heard fantastic things about em, plus the price difference im not sure if it will fit into budget, especially once i purchase braid, rod etc. $699 is an attractive price for the old model thats for sure.

would just need to find a versatile rod on the z4000 to run 30lb which can be used for light jigging but also casting poppers for rat kings etc....

how do you find its cranking power john? to be honest have never used a high speed reel. have a catalina 6500 which has done a couple jigging trips so im pretty used to that crank....

Mate I have a 5000SW Stella and ofr 30lb it's the better choice. As John siad since it's small the high gear ratio is offset soemwhat with a smaller diameter spool.

As for cranking power it is the best reel I have ever used and I own a Saltiga Expedition. The strength of this little reel is amazing. Nothing wrong with the Saltiga 4500 but it is a 50lb reel IMO. 30lb is fine too but why not go the lighter Stella 5000SW. By the way that Daiwa 4500 size is between the 5000 and 8000 Stella range, more of a 6000 size reel which shimano no longer do with the new SW Twinpower or Stella which is a bit of a shame.

The 5000 Stella is around 400 grams vs 640 odd for the 8000SW and the 4500 Daiwa is aorund 585 grams. Body size is noticeable.

Thanks. Had a play with the reels today, the 2010 saltiga feels great that's for sure. The Stella was next best followed by the z4000. Old model z4000 was noticeably heavier than both reels. The Stella and 2010 4000 felt similar in smoothness. Both reels looks great. Just not happy with the high speed ratio despite the above thoughts. Nothin reels bit more our of budget would have to save bit longer if I was to purchase.

Need to think of rods also, something o use as an all rounder. Had a look atthe catalina nabura 6'7. Nice rod but jig weight is quite low. I'm thinking I'd need a shorter rod say 6'3 but still wanna be able to throw small poppers, lures at tuna/kings but then double for jigging say 300gms or am I being too unrealistic?!

The Catalina Nabura has quite a following, its quite long in the tooth though. I think its too light a rod for PE3, its really a PE2 rod. I have the much cheaper Daiwa Bradia 2500R with 15lb tufline xp on it for my PE2 outfit, so consider dropping to a certate 3000, or saltiga 3500 for that rod and 20-25lb.

IMHO, if you want to fish 30lb, then a 2010 saltiga weighs in at 440g and takes 300m of PE3 which is oodles.

In terms of function, jigging rods and reels, and popping rods and reels are at the opposite sides of the spectrum. You need a slower rod for the right action, and a lower gear for jigging. Popping demands a stiff tip for the action and a higher speed reel to take up the slack.

I think trying to jig 300g jigs on PE3 pretty unrealistic. I only really do that on the rarest of occasions on my PE4 outfit, and then very carefully. Its well into the territory of most PE6 rods!

Before you commit to a new Saltiga maybe you should read this link

http://www.stripersonline.com/forum/thread/768370/daiwa-saltiga-2010-the-review

and the Stella review from the same guy

http://www.stripersonline.com/forum/thread/647666/shimano-stella-sw-the-review

For the Saltigas, considering the reviews and price difference between the old and new model right now I'd get the old model if you decided against the Stella.

As for a rod there are many options but from what you say maybe the Saltiga Hiramasa 63S. It is a truly awesome rod and would match any of those reels brilliantly. A cheaper version is the Catalina Hiramasa 63S.

thanks till and bunny

i have read the reviews already

till what rod would you recommend to run with the 3500 game or 4000 2010 as a 30lb stick as the nabura does seem that bit too long

seems like ill have to sacrifice the jiggign side of things and opt for a rod better used in casting lures/poppers and trolling for tuna. thinking something around 6'3-6'5 in length? have no idea on brands and models espcially the saltigas etc

cheers

There are lots of stella models that we just don't get here that may prove more suitable for jigging.

I don't really think that nabura is too long for 30lb casting, I just think its too light @ PE2, but it ought to be fine for a Certate 3k or Saltiga Game.

Really for less of a jigger, I think 7' is fine and check this thread and stick to the more topwater options; http://fishwrecked.com/forum/soft-plastics-rod-whats-good

thanks till

heres my thoughts on the rods ive narrowed it down to look at

- saltiga game 68S-3 probably leading the way
- bay jigger 64XHS (but says its rated at 20lb max)??
- saltist bayrubber 6'6 PE3 is not bad but i assume a cheaper version?
- demon blood 64 combi is awesome but colour red kills it why cant they make it in a blue!
- the 2010 saltiga rods are probably too short for what I'd like, max is 6'3 in this range

I still reckon the Saltiga Hiramasa 63S is a better choice over all those listed options. You could go a Catalina combi jerk but I doubt a couple of extra inches are going to make that much difference. Link below is the combi jerk.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Daiwa-Catalina-65S-COMBI-JERK-Jigging-Rod-NEW-/270625415277?pt=AU_FishingRods&hash=item3f0288206d

probly the most versitile rod iv seen for that size reel and line class would be a Smith KGS68m, perfect length, good cast weight and very powerful. I do all my casting for queenies/ small GTs with this rod but use it down here for all my light jigging. other options like a Saltiga 68s game, you really dont want anything under 6'7" if your going to be doing a few amount of casting

Does anyone know if the new certate 3000 gearings are strong enough to pull in tuna, kings and samsons or would the reel not cope over time?? I have no doubt in their abilities to pull in big fish but over time on 30lb might make a difference?!

Does anyone know if the new certate 3000 gearings are strong enough to pull in tuna, kings and samsons or would the reel not cope over time?? I have no doubt in their abilities to pull in big fish but over time on 30lb might make a difference?!

The Certate will be fine for that work but you do have to remeber the saltiga will cope a hell of a look better over time. I think over time a certate running 30lb would start to show a bit of wear and tear

Certate 3000 is a sweet bit of kit, but still a little reel. It's not so much the fish, but how much cranking power vs rod power you use. I have completely toasted a Tierra 4000 in a single session on amberjack on pe2, mainly as you needed to put a lot of cranking power into the reel on the rod downstroke or else the ambers would turn their head away and make another run, and got bricked too much unless you really muscled the reel. A Tierra 3000 is going the same route after only a few decent fish. If you are jigging, then this is double the stress. The Certate is a tone tougher than the Tierra, but at 280 grams, don't expect too much.

thanks for the input guys

helped confirm my thoughts about the certate