A "NO" Vote from me for Labor and the Greens
Submitted by NORUN NOFUN on Sun, 2016-06-26 10:32
Quoting Scott Coghlan - todays Sunday Times 26.6.16
" if elected the Labor party and Greens have agreed to immediately implement the ludicrous marine park management plan ".
Big decisions to be made when weighing up who to vote for next week.
Everyone has their own reasons on who they vote for, but I personally can't stand being locked out of more area's to fish.
What's your opinion and who are you voting for ?
Jason P
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The Greens are a bloody
The Greens are a bloody joke, as like all political parties have their own agenda, which only shows its ugly face when they get some leverage or power. Sometimes I think with the right person a dictatorship could be better, but with that would turn sour with the wrong person as well. Think I may stick with the current tool in power.
DM306
Broome lad
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Damed if you do
Damed if you don't might as well keep the liberals in an risk Medicare I'd rather loose that than more places to fish won't be long we'll have Indian ,Asian or Sudanese or Muslim PM then the goal posts will shift again .
GGs
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Dont get me wrong went im not
Dont get me wrong went im not working im fishing but dont you think a functional healthcare system is kind of crucial to both the economy and our current way of life?
As i said below Labour is fast backing down about claiming the Liberals will scrap Medicare. If Medicare was to go private just look at the US healthcare system to see what would happen. All of a sudden that hook stuck in your hand just cost you $50,000 to remove with follow up antibiotic treatment.
As for the nationality of the PM... who really gives a shit what colour his/her skin is and where they came from. Church and state should be removed and you vote for a party not a person (atleast how its meant to work).
dawsy
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Leigh Seiles on ABC forced
Leigh Seiles on ABC forced Bill Shortens hand about Mediscare the other night. Bill is lying.
Paul H
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At dinner at a friends last
At dinner at a friends last night when another female present proudly stated at the dinner table she was voting greens. Wife very quickly gave me that "don't you dare look"
Tried to bite my tounge but it was only a matter of time (half a can of bourbon to be exact) when she piped up a second time. I'm in the doghouse but happy for it
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GGs
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Landslide
I personally think this election will be easily won by the Liberals.
There is a big push happening nationwide about stopping the marine park lockouts by media personalities ie Al McGlashan and the likes.
The Medicare campaign by Labour seems more like a smeer campaign the longer it goes on and they are now on the back foot about it.
Myself personally... Working in the medical/research industry my futute has a vested interest in research funding.
Michael Yoni
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NHMRC... So you would hope
NHMRC... So you would hope labor increases or at least reinstates the original funding level that the libs took away a few years ago.
GGs
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Date Joined: 06/09/14
At this stage the Liberals
At this stage the Liberals have more on the table than Labor when it comes to health and science.
Talk of the Medical Research Future Fund (MRFF) has gone quiet as the campaign has gone on but from my understanding throught the DoH website the gears are still turning.
Michael Yoni
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State Lib's and the DOH
State Lib's and the DOH staff freeze and massive budget cuts is a good example of that. I'd bet London to a brick it continues much longer than the 30 June!
sea-kem
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Dunno about a landlside GGs
Dunno about a landlside GGs as I reckon Shorten' run a pretty good campaign but won't be getting my vote as I think the incumbent is doing a reasonable job.
Love the West!
GGs
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Date Joined: 06/09/14
Oh how wrong I was!
Oh how wrong I was!
duncan61
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Information
I do not have all the information that goes with politics however remember the green party forming years ago.A lot of people I knew then voted green as a protest vote.Once the greens recently gained some power we all realized just how dangerous to mankind there insane policies are.Call me a flatlander but I am not wearing this sea level ris.ing crap until I see some evidence.Jamie chester from wangler seems to have a good grasp of reality,If you read his column over the sounds snapper kill it really brings on the truth.The marine park clowns only care what happens in the marine park
just do it.
Dale
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Informal vote for me and one for the sex party in the senate.
"Just because you are a Character, Doesn't mean you have Character."
Mr Wolf
craytail99
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Date Joined: 29/04/14
Can't go wrong with the sex
Can't go wrong with the sex party. I vote for more rooting!
Broome lad
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Who
Ever gets in we are fucked either way . Lol
Mulie
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Socialist pricks
The Greens do eff all for the environment these days any way. The party has been overrun by socialists and are strongly pushing their social justice agenda. If they had an ounce of guts, they would have blocked the Syrian refugee bill (which cost $750 million plus $250 million plus per year on Centrelink) and made them halve the number, spending $375 million on feral cat eradication. I'm seriously considering voting for One Nation in the senate. If enough people vote for them, they will have the power to block rediculous bills like the marine parks one. Also, if the Greens get the balance of power, our country won't have the money for Centrelink/Medicare in 15 years.
Mulie
Brock O
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Swompa
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The hardest part for me is
The hardest part for me is knowing who to vote last, Christians, Greens or Labor. I think it will need to be Christians as the last thing we need is more religion.
Michael Yoni
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Date Joined: 02/01/11
..........."I think it will
..........."I think it will need to be Christians as the last thing we need is more religion."
Swompa
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2 annual "respect the
2 annual "respect the gullible" days to give them a chance...
duncan61
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Date Joined: 21/11/14
one nation
One nation could be a good call
just do it.
solly
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Date Joined: 11/09/05
Pauline making sense??????
Yeh we are fucked either way but good old one nations seems to the only grounded ones. It makes you think we are going to the dogs with all our pollies .Its been a while since a decent bloke/sheila got top job .Any takers on here for the next one as you will have my vote
There are two types of people ,do'ers and watchers
Right now the do'ers are the doing it
And the watchers are watching us do it
Carry
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Pauline
Pauline will be getting my vote I think they deserve a voice in Parliament
We feel nothing but a certain difficulty in continuing to stand
JohnF
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Friggen Shorten and his
Friggen Shorten and his Medicare lie campaign. Disgraceful.
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
bradz
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Truth in advertising
Do you guys all realise that if you knowingly advertise a false claim that it is an offence, but under the law that applies to politics there is actually no penalty for lying and misleading information.
For starters, how the f&$k can you privatise Medicare? You can outsource/privatise some jobs but the system itself is a mechanism for giving out money. What private company is going to give out money.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
Rob H
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Not sure if Im missing your
Not sure if Im missing your point but you ask "What private company is going to give out money"?
Answer-a company that has the power to collect more money than it gives out
Just like HBF, Medibank, BUPA...
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
bradz
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Medicare
Medicare income is derived from collection of tax. I don't think the Feds can redirect tax revenue to private companies. I could be wrong though.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
Rob H
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They can just direct an
They can just direct an income stream to a company and task them with the job.
Similar how can private citizens incarcerate people in prison as Serco does.
Besides it is not a tax its a levy (no difference to us though!)
Also you pay a "levy" on your car rego which goes to a private company to provide insurance payouts-how do they make money out of that?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
The_Wanderer
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1 Word OUTSOURCING
1 Word OUTSOURCING
crasny1
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Some on here know what I do for a living
So it would be very much in my interest to keep an eye on what may or may not happen to Medicare (it certainly needs a hot iron to smooth some creases).
I just about fell off my chair wondering where Labour even got the idea that anything was going to happen to Medicare in the form of Privatisation.
What I suspected is that just saying so would cause panic among the herd, which it did.
But now backing off because there was no bones to the claim. Researching the background I didn't see anything like this.
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
uncle
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How do you privatize
Some thing that cost 12 billion a year(losing)
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
crasny1
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Yip
Agree - not a very profitable venture
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Subaquatic
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Agree, How he can remain in
Agree, How he can remain in politics after that campaign baffles me.
Shane O
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liberal party
If they have it there way they will make sure all offshore work in Australia is filled with cheap labour.
Will not be voting for Malcolm..
Subaquatic
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Labour is doing the exact
Labour is doing the exact same thing, and will move the submarine builds to Vietnam, using illegal refugee camps as labour.
out wide
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The ALP has gone to far left
The ALP has gone to far left siding up with the idiots in the Greens. And what's more they are so close now they could just about be rooting each other. Haha...No thanks.
Mulie
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Date Joined: 20/02/11
Paul Keating said the same
Paul Keating said the same thing yesterday, but I think he added time wasting pieces of s**t. I gathered by the article that he's not impressed with the Labor/Greens alliance.
Mulie
meglodon
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A bit of help wanted
Everything that I have read and seen on tv has quoted both major parties as saying that they would not form a government that has any part of the greens associated with it. Can any body quote me a respectable source that says different, and I don't think the local public toilet door counts as a reliable source of political information.
sea-kem
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Both major parties have been
Both major parties have been doing back room preferrence deals with each other to shut out the minors. They are all just self interested arseholes imo, so might as well stick with the incumbent and then I'm sure Labour will get a shot when everyone is sick and tired of Malcom's piss week governance. On another note I met Steve Irons at my sons footy as they had set up a campaign tent outside the ground. Wish they would fuck off from kids sporting events, he seems like a creep. As in the soup Nazi context "No vote for you!"
Love the West!
davmor
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Should we give the shooters
Should we give the shooters and fishers party a bit more say?
big john
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SFFP
Shooters, Fishers and now Farmers Party.
WA based manufacturer and supplier of premium leadhead jigs, fligs, bucktail jigs, 'bulletproof' soft plastic jig heads and XOS bullet jig heads.
Jigs available online in my web store!
sea-kem
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Yep voted yesterday, they
Yep voted yesterday, they got my number 1 vote.
Love the West!
Brock O
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Voted labour all my
Voted labour all my life...piss liberal and labour atm....one nation for me this year.
hezzy
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lets hope who ever wins on
lets hope who ever wins on sat night will have a majority
cant stand the idea of having a minority gov with no true mandate to set their plans into action ,
last thing we need in these times is to have a gov like gillards fiasco was
unable to enact strong policy without caving in to some bunch of half witts and their ideas
hezzy
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evil flourishes when good men do nothing
Jackfrost80
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That word mandate. Biggest
That word mandate. Biggest crock of shit the pollies cling onto.
Colin Barnett threw it around after winning the last State election saying we took <insert unpopular policy here> to the election so we have a mandate to roll it out. He also took MAX light rail to the election so the people living in the northern corridor have a mandate to see him roll that out.
End of the day the pollies will say anything to get to into power knowing they have 3-4 years for us to forget out unpopular decisions or broken election promises.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
crasny1
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Always Lib in past
But I would never vote other than for the Libs or labour. What always pisses me off is labour always try and run scare campaigns, rather than standing up and saying something positive ONLY.
Cant remember once when they didn't try to scare voters.
Have to agree Libs have tried this too and it suxs IMO.
The trouble is as I think showed by Brexit that people are easily scared, without realising truly what they can create by living that scare.
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
meglodon
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Retain power at any cost
If the libs need the support of the greens to retain power they will accommodate them in a coalition imo.
I think the long term damage it would do the labor party is too great for them to do a deal with the greens. Just my way of thinking.
I also have a strong feeling that we are headed for another government that will have a strong group of independents in the upper house and both parties are going to have to get into bed with the independents to get their legislation passed by the senate
This gives a lot of power to minority parties, which can have some benefits for small sections of the great unwashed.
Just look at what happened in the NSW parliament when the fishers party (I think that is what they are called) did a deal that ensured some areas where protected from commercial fishing pressure, a win for anglers.
Brock O
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Eactly what turdball is
Eactly what turdball is trying to stop.....hes stopped the boats..that hes been good for
Subaquatic
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He is trying to stop idiotic
He is trying to stop idiotic Labor politicians doing even more damage to our economy!!!
Brock O
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Yea like Barnett...watch
Yea like Barnett...watch qanda last night...dept growing with current lib policy.
Oldbull
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medicare
It is not so much privitisation of medicare but the freezing of rebates to doctors for years. That will end any form of bulk billing and force patients many of who are pensioners to pay the gap. Remember when Tony Abbott wanted to impose a co payment to visit your doc and that went over like a bad smell.
I laugh when governments talk about having a mandate and then not being able to get legislation through. If you have won enough seats you will get the legislation through - if not enough seats in the senate then you don't really have a mandate because it means more people wanted other parties than your own. In any case Turnbull brought this on himself with the double dissolution. Result is the minor parties and independants only need a smaller percentage to gain a seat
hezzy
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thing is dave it was
thing is dave it was rudd/gillard that originally froze the doctors rebates .....
like alot of these things both sides have shite on their shovel ,
trick is to figure out who can manage the economy the best &keep us on budget as close as possible
is it a group of people with business experience who have run a business and get how it works or is it people who have learnt about it in theory at uni maybe and then been employed as union reps to negotiate with those businesses ??
OFW 11
evil flourishes when good men do nothing
meglodon
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So just what are we going to do
So, if we end up with a minority party holding power and the senate being controlled by a number of independents what will we do.
Get a million people to sign a petition saying we don't like the result and want to have another vote because we now think we made a mistake. Arrrrh I don't think so, you have listened to what everyone of the pollies have said and you have cast your vote as you have seen fit.
Live with it.
The_Wanderer
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SHOOTERS FISHER & FARMERS!
SHOOTERS FISHER & FARMERS!
dumper
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chris raff
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$4 Bacon and egg burgers at
$4 Bacon and egg burgers at my local this morning .. poor ole green reps were struggling making any mates
“Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”
out wide
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Have you been to a doctors
Have you been to a doctors latterly and had a look at all the sniff sniff cough cough bulgers whom treat a visit to the doctors as entertainment because it is bulk billing and they pay nothing. Here is one problem and is one of the reasons we have such a large deficit. Ask them to pay $4 and there is an uproar.
jamey ford
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Treat the people with
Treat the people with contempt as the LNP have done and you reap it back in spades .
It amazes me the lack of humility these mostly privately educated and born to rule scions of privileged society have exhibited instead of saying " hey Australia lesson.learned we will go back and have a long hard look at ourselves and our policies" it's no we are going to press on regardless of public opinion with our out of touch policies.
Both sides have politicians who think that they know so much better than those who elect them , a big slap in the face and a big wake up call to all of that ilk .
Unfortunately in a time when we really need strong leadership we are going to have to endure yet another hung Parliament beholden to a hostile senate for how long I am not sure, but I will be amazed if it goes full term .
Hopefully a new strong leader will emerge from this current turmoil regardless of which party ,with the will and policies that the people of Australia can embrace and get behind .
Far Quirk!
dawsy
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The interesting thing with
The interesting thing with Brexit was they said they had 100000 signatures but England has 60000000 people plus. Last time I was in UK the locals were saying that the government had lost count of how many people were in the country due to the free movement policy of the EU.
The issue with this is two different currencies, and the additional costs living in London. Imagine if you built a tunnel from Bali to Australia with free flow of people. People come in from Indo, live in a caravan then drive out without paying 10%GST in Australia. Essentially they arent contributing to the countries infrastructure.
In the UK, they have 20%VAT aka (GST) so they have money leaving the local economy, and people taking 20%VAT tax out the country through the tunnel.
Imagine if the Balinese were taking their money out WA through a tunnel and building mansions with the Aussie tax back in Indo with much cheaper living
They said, Brexit is a disaster, 100000 people leaving. But England has 60 million plus people. WA has only 2.2 million and allegegedly 50000 people have left in 12 months. So in comparison, there has been a lot of media hype on Brexit. Media have essentially branded English rascist over people driving out the tunnel with tax.
A lot of other countries sell goods into the EU, so EU members pay more for goods as they cant go outside the EU to buy.
meglodon
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We live in interesting times
So what now Australia, would any body like to have a guess at what the make up of the government is going to be.
Dale
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I read somewhere today, a little bit of irony, we may as well have all voted the sex party, because going forward, the countries going to be well and truly fucked.
"Just because you are a Character, Doesn't mean you have Character."
Mr Wolf