I recently bought one of these and it seems to work well so far. For 150 bones it's cheaper than a lot of 27mhz radios and you can link it with your GPS.
thought he wanted to know if buying one or the other was better long term. VHF is a better bet for reliable Comms and if a VHF only costs $150 brand new then why worry about 27mhz.
UHF is actually your best bet, there is a repeater station on duplex 1. All sea and local station traffic on it. Isn't monitoring on 27mhz mandatory for VMR stations? VHF is far better, obviously.
Monitoring 27meg is not mandatory, after all , all the sea rescue groups are voluntary and each is stand alone supported by DFEs
With VHF there are repeater stations up and down the coast, I have had the pleasure of chatting with Fremantle sea rescue via the repeater on Cape Cuvier and the one on Rottnest , both are channel 81, from Carnarvon. There is one on Steep Point [82] and not sure of the Exmouth channel number for the repeater covering the west side.
The main reason why none of the northern groups do not monitor 27meg is that no one up here uses it because of the lack of vessels on the water and the availability of commercial vessels that can be called upon if needed
For boat to boat communication, as stated you need a licence for VHF. Until the regs are eased on this then a lot of boaties will use 27meg. I have both and would only use VHF in an emergency up north.
I may be illegal but I wonder how many people are forking out the $160 to pay for a licence to log in when they can already do it without repercussion and if any of the Sea Rescue units in WA are willing to dob you in to authorities for using a VHF for logging in knowing it would then lead to people not logging in
only dumb c++ts who block up VHF16 with abuse, playing their favourite songs and being assholes are likely to get themselves pinged.
Isnt there a simple licence now which only does VHF and DSC not SSB? Regardless, its pretty easy to google proper VHF protocol, VMR's print up stickers telling you which channels are what as in emergency and working channels. How could it be any easier?
Even UHF has rules, a bloke in Vic got in the shit last year for his conduct with truckies on UHF.
Admittedly that was some time back, however I have not heard anyone say that they have done away with the licence requirement for VHF radios.
just had a look at an old work book (issue five) for the skippers ticket and it states on page 53 that an operator of a VHF radio must hold a Marine Radio Operators Certificate of Proficiency.
Whether that requirement is still extant I don't know.
Just to clarify sea rescue groups in the metro area still monitir 27mhz. But we finding more people are switching to VHF.
For peace of mind I would go with vhf particularly if you are planning to go more than 15nm offshore, to rottnest or country areaa where the range is better. Rottnest has a repeater station for vhf ch 81 for better reception and transmitting back to the sea recue group in the metro area.
You are requuired to have a licence for vhf but you would be surprised how many have vhf on thier boat but no licence
It would pay to be aware that almost no commercial vessels have UHF, while EVERY commercial vessel is not only obliged to carry VHF but also obliged to monitor channel 16. If you already have a UHF, great but if you buy a new UHF as your primary radio then may as well get a Beta video recorder as well as a Motorola bag phone.
Its not even a case of "how much is your safety worth", for the same coin why would anyone even consider a UHF as a primary radio?
Get a good VHF with DSC and buy a used UHF at a garage sale for $50
To my understanding, no. I have my MROCP and I am attempting my Foundation License exam for my Amateur Radio tomorrow. I have asked the same question and was told that it doesn't cover the MROCP or whatever it is now! The allocated frequency do not overlap. I will try to get more clarification on it tonight.
That being said, the marine radio course is not hard and if you do it thru one of the VMR groups, the money goes to a good cause rather than some CEO's pocket.
Edited: update on frequencies. Marine VHF is from 156.100 Mhz - 157.425 Mhz. Amateur VHF is from 144.000 Mhz - 148.00 Mhz.
You are Correct, an Amateur License is Not Reconised For VHF Marine,
i Run a Motorola Commercial Radio that covers all VHF marine as well as all 2m band and can Hit Roleystone from 30miles out, best of both Worlds, and Built to a Military Spec
Good Luck With your Exam Laurie
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As per my other reply tonight, I would suspect that it won't cover you as the frequency would not be the same. I would have to google the actual frequency involved in the AROCP.
But it should be enough. The same as the amateur license should cover marine radio. Vhf is vhf. It's the same class. Its like if the dept of transport decided that you need a separate class of license to drive a 4 cylinder car to a 6 or an 8.
Sorry, no. The ACMA has spilt the vhf band which goes from 30 Mhz to 300 MHz. This has all types of users on it. 2 meter Amateur iss 144 MHz to 148 MHz. 6 meter Amateur is 52MHz to 54 MHz
It is not possible to have an entire band dedicated to one group of users. Tv broadcasting takes from 174MHz to 230 MHz. Aeronautical Radionavigation is 74.8 MHz to 75.2 MHz as well as108 MHz to 117.975 MHz etc etc.
For more info, download the Australian radio spectum which covers every radio band from VLF ( very low frequency) to EHF ( extreme high frequency)
Hope this clears the issue up for you ( and others)
If you have an amateur licence for radio from hf to vhf. Or have a certificate of competency to use aviation vhf and hf and communicate with both air services and regular public transport flights ie commercial heavy flights.
Why do you need to have another licence to use marine band radio.
Are you saying that marine communicatios are more complex than talking to air traffic control?
Just the system that doesn't recognize prior learning or parallel qualifications.
You should only have to show that you have an amateur ham radio license or aviation operators certificate and that should be enough to qualify for the marine radio qualification without having to pay for another licence to use a vhf rado
its not the same Billy, unless the ticket you have goes through all the VHF channels to use and not use. Sure it shouldnt cost you if you already have a higher ticket, but who will run the course for free?
I have a MROCP, but I doubt it would be a good idea to have me trying to talk to ATC, wouldnt have a clue about channels, protocol, frequencies etc
I got my marine radio licence years ago. A 100% pass was required on the sending and recieving of pan pan - securite - Mayday calls. I doubt a ham radio op needs to know the listening watch & safety distress protocol.
Shane O
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hand held
i have a hand held marine radio incase the old one shits itself
z00m
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Standard Horizon
I recently bought one of these and it seems to work well so far. For 150 bones it's cheaper than a lot of 27mhz radios and you can link it with your GPS.
www.whitworths.com.au/main_itemdetail.asp
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Standard Horizon gear comes out of the Yaesu factory, so you could pretty well rely on it being a reasonable bit of kit.
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Coben13
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zOOm
Looks good, wonder if there are any used ones around?
Just trying to save a few bucks.
Ashen
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27mhz future
I think coben wants to know if 27mhz radio will still be in use for a few years if he decides to buy a new one.
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collin g wood
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.
Discussed on another site, 27 meg will be around for along time.
z00m
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Sorry
thought he wanted to know if buying one or the other was better long term. VHF is a better bet for reliable Comms and if a VHF only costs $150 brand new then why worry about 27mhz.
Coben13
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Ashen
Thanks Mate,
Sounds like the VHS is the best option.
Will see if anyone is selling one otherwise will probably go with the Whitworths.
carnarvonite
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North
If he wants to travel up north with his boat then he'd be advised to go VHF as none of the sea rescue groups monitor 27meg any more
Willlo
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John is that because you
John is that because you guys can't pick up 27 meg what's the reason for not monitoring. Last time I was in Denham long time ago we could.
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ranmar850
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If in the Ningaloo Station area
UHF is actually your best bet, there is a repeater station on duplex 1. All sea and local station traffic on it. Isn't monitoring on 27mhz mandatory for VMR stations? VHF is far better, obviously.
carnarvonite
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No
Monitoring 27meg is not mandatory, after all , all the sea rescue groups are voluntary and each is stand alone supported by DFEs
With VHF there are repeater stations up and down the coast, I have had the pleasure of chatting with Fremantle sea rescue via the repeater on Cape Cuvier and the one on Rottnest , both are channel 81, from Carnarvon. There is one on Steep Point [82] and not sure of the Exmouth channel number for the repeater covering the west side.
The main reason why none of the northern groups do not monitor 27meg is that no one up here uses it because of the lack of vessels on the water and the availability of commercial vessels that can be called upon if needed
resurgence
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VHF
Why would anyone choose 27MHz over VHF these days? Range is better, and commercial vessels are required to monitor VHF, so there's added safety.
sea-kem
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For boat to boat
For boat to boat communication, as stated you need a licence for VHF. Until the regs are eased on this then a lot of boaties will use 27meg. I have both and would only use VHF in an emergency up north.
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rossco21
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How many of you actually have
How many of you actually have your vhf license? Where did you do it and how much. As my understanding is you need a license.
Willlo
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That's right so if you use
That's right so if you use one yr breaking the law technically.
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Jackfrost80
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I may be illegal but I wonder
I may be illegal but I wonder how many people are forking out the $160 to pay for a licence to log in when they can already do it without repercussion and if any of the Sea Rescue units in WA are willing to dob you in to authorities for using a VHF for logging in knowing it would then lead to people not logging in
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Coben13
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Willio
Is it policed?
Rob H
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only dumb c++ts who block up
only dumb c++ts who block up VHF16 with abuse, playing their favourite songs and being assholes are likely to get themselves pinged.
Isnt there a simple licence now which only does VHF and DSC not SSB?
Regardless, its pretty easy to google proper VHF protocol, VMR's print up stickers telling you which channels are what as in emergency and working channels.
How could it be any easier?
Even UHF has rules, a bloke in Vic got in the shit last year for his conduct with truckies on UHF.
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resurgence
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It's not generally policed
As Rob mentioned, plenty of material to look up to understand correct radio protocols and terminology.
I believe there is a more basic licence now, but I think it's restricted to less than 12nm from shore or something similar.
Rob H
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That would seem somewhat
That would seem somewhat ludicrous, though I wouldnt discount anything from our Gov just now.
However I believe there is no restriction except inside 200 mile zone.
http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/TV-Radio/Radio/Marine-and-Amateur-Radio/vhf-marine-radio-operator-qualifications-backgrounder
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resurgence
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Australian Waters Qualification (AWQ)
Here it is...
www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/TV-Radio/Radio/Marine-and-Amateur-Radio/marine-radio-qualifications
AWQ - within Australian territorial waters, defined as up to 12nm from the coast.
Rob H
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So outside ATW, no-one can
So outside ATW, no-one can tell you anything!
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meglodon
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Last time I heard you needed a licence for VHF
Admittedly that was some time back, however I have not heard anyone say that they have done away with the licence requirement for VHF radios.
just had a look at an old work book (issue five) for the skippers ticket and it states on page 53 that an operator of a VHF radio must hold a Marine Radio Operators Certificate of Proficiency.
Whether that requirement is still extant I don't know.
Iceman
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Licence
Just to clarify sea rescue groups in the metro area still monitir 27mhz. But we finding more people are switching to VHF.
For peace of mind I would go with vhf particularly if you are planning to go more than 15nm offshore, to rottnest or country areaa where the range is better. Rottnest has a repeater station for vhf ch 81 for better reception and transmitting back to the sea recue group in the metro area.
You are requuired to have a licence for vhf but you would be surprised how many have vhf on thier boat but no licence
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Coben13
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Iceman
Thanks Mate, good info.
meglodon
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For those that maybe
For those that maybe interested a list of what all the VHF channels are used for is available from
http://www.offshoreblue.com/communications/vhf-au.php
Rob H
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It would pay to be aware
It would pay to be aware that almost no commercial vessels have UHF, while EVERY commercial vessel is not only obliged to carry VHF but also obliged to monitor channel 16.
If you already have a UHF, great but if you buy a new UHF as your primary radio then may as well get a Beta video recorder as well as a Motorola bag phone.
Its not even a case of "how much is your safety worth", for the same coin why would anyone even consider a UHF as a primary radio?
Get a good VHF with DSC and buy a used UHF at a garage sale for $50
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jim
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I got my radio ticket
I got my radio ticket 15years ago, wouldn't have a clue if it's still valid.
Bend over
Rob H
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They are valid in perpetuity
They are valid in perpetuity I believe except for GMDSS
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Billcollector
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Did mine through our tafe up
Did mine through our tafe up here a few years ago.
kirky79
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Got mine doing my Coxswain
Should probably go over it again though to freshen up
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Wouldn't having an amateur radio license cover it? VHF is just a small part of the band I can legally play with.
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Laurie8781
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Marine Radio
To my understanding, no. I have my MROCP and I am attempting my Foundation License exam for my Amateur Radio tomorrow. I have asked the same question and was told that it doesn't cover the MROCP or whatever it is now! The allocated frequency do not overlap. I will try to get more clarification on it tonight.
That being said, the marine radio course is not hard and if you do it thru one of the VMR groups, the money goes to a good cause rather than some CEO's pocket.
Edited: update on frequencies. Marine VHF is from 156.100 Mhz - 157.425 Mhz. Amateur VHF is from 144.000 Mhz - 148.00 Mhz.
Dale
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Good luck tomorrow with your exam, it's not hard, I got through pretty easy. I'll do the Standard licence one day. My call sign VK6FIOR.
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Taffy
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You Are Correct Laurie
You are Correct, an Amateur License is Not Reconised For VHF Marine,
i Run a Motorola Commercial Radio that covers all VHF marine as well as all 2m band and can Hit Roleystone from 30miles out, best of both Worlds, and Built to a Military Spec
Good Luck With your Exam Laurie
And Dale And LAURIE 8781 ,if you read this and Want a Motorola PM me
Laurie8781
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Thanks, yes I did pass! Now
Thanks, yes I did pass! Now to wait for the license from ACMA and callsign!
Dale
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My thoughts were more to do with RPL.
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keg
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vhf license
i did mine with whitfords sea rescue, i can`t remember how much it was but it wasn`t that much
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+1
+1 for WSR.....
Cheers & Stay safe
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Yeah. Got mine.
Yeah. Got mine.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Shane O
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AROCP
I have the Aircraft Radio Operator Certificate of Proffeciency (AROCP) is this enough?
Laurie8781
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As per my other reply
As per my other reply tonight, I would suspect that it won't cover you as the frequency would not be the same. I would have to google the actual frequency involved in the AROCP.
billy69
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But it should be enough.
But it should be enough. The same as the amateur license should cover marine radio. Vhf is vhf. It's the same class. Its like if the dept of transport decided that you need a separate class of license to drive a 4 cylinder car to a 6 or an 8.
Laurie8781
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Sorry, no. The ACMA has
Sorry, no. The ACMA has spilt the vhf band which goes from 30 Mhz to 300 MHz. This has all types of users on it. 2 meter Amateur iss 144 MHz to 148 MHz. 6 meter Amateur is 52MHz to 54 MHz
It is not possible to have an entire band dedicated to one group of users. Tv broadcasting takes from 174MHz to 230 MHz. Aeronautical Radionavigation is 74.8 MHz to 75.2 MHz as well as108 MHz to 117.975 MHz etc etc.
For more info, download the Australian radio spectum which covers every radio band from VLF ( very low frequency) to EHF ( extreme high frequency)
Hope this clears the issue up for you ( and others)
billy69
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But why should you need
But why should you need another license.
If you have an amateur licence for radio from hf to vhf. Or have a certificate of competency to use aviation vhf and hf and communicate with both air services and regular public transport flights ie commercial heavy flights.
Why do you need to have another licence to use marine band radio.
Are you saying that marine communicatios are more complex than talking to air traffic control?
Laurie8781
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I'm not going to get
I'm not going to get involved in which is more complex. The is set by various regulations set by Government.
billy69
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I'm not having a crack at
I'm not having a crack at you.
Just the system that doesn't recognize prior learning or parallel qualifications.
You should only have to show that you have an amateur ham radio license or aviation operators certificate and that should be enough to qualify for the marine radio qualification without having to pay for another licence to use a vhf rado
Rob H
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its not the same Billy,
its not the same Billy, unless the ticket you have goes through all the VHF channels to use and not use.
Sure it shouldnt cost you if you already have a higher ticket, but who will run the course for free?
I have a MROCP, but I doubt it would be a good idea to have me trying to talk to ATC, wouldnt have a clue about channels, protocol, frequencies etc
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Mrlickalotopus
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I got my marine radio licence
I got my marine radio licence years ago. A 100% pass was required on the sending and recieving of pan pan - securite - Mayday calls. I doubt a ham radio op needs to know the listening watch & safety distress protocol.
Dale
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Oh yes we do, that's part of our learning.
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Shane O
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Mrlickalotopus
which radio op are u refering to, offshore it is part of your role!
Coben13
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Marine radio
Cheers for all the comments everyone.
Next question, does anyone have a VHF they want to sell?
Thanks again.