I wonder if the fence sitters would have knocked back the Polio vax back in the day ? All i know is that the longer everyone sits on there arse and adopts a wait and see attitude the more broke everyone will become .

We need to open our borders and not just the internal ones. Pull your head out of the ground get the bloody jab and then maybe the world can get back to some kind of normal . End of Rant.

Good to see the other countries around the world are already moving on with life due to there vaccine rates, the sooner we open the boarders the better IMO. People haven't had a shot good luck to em.

Had a Tetanus shot last week after putting a boning knife into my fore arm an inch deep, cleaning the boat after as few beers and was lucky not to hit anything major!

Will sort an appointment for the vaccine when I return from work trip....will take the astrazeneca too, dont care bring it in on!

the Olympic Games  

just to help fox to page 4

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australia-facing-very-serious-crisis-amid-astrazeneca-row/ar-AALDtLh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Australia is facing a "very serious crisis" after access to the AstraZeneca vaccine was expanded to people aged under 40, sparking a political divide and heated debate.

Former adviser to Paul Keating and strategic health policy consultant Professor Bill Bowtell told Today communication on the vaccine rollout had "broken down" since the accessibility expansion of AstraZeneca.

"I don't know what's been going on between the National Cabinet and the ATAGI and the chief health officers' committees - but clearly something has gone wrong," he said.
We are facing a very serious crisis. We've got to get a grip.

"There's got to be some order restored to the chaos that's enveloping the technical and medical advice side of this."

While the advice from the ATAGI has not changed, with AstraZeneca recommended for Australians aged over 60, the decision to allow people under 40 to access the vaccine upon consultation with their GP has caused an uproar among state premiers and chief health officers.

Yesterday, Queensland Chief Health Officer Dr Jeanette Young was clear in her thoughts on the prime minister's decision to allow younger Australians to get the AstraZeneca vaccine.

I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca," she said.

"I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID, probably wouldn't die.

"We've had very few deaths due to COVID-19 in Australia in people under the age of 50. Wouldn't it be terrible that our first 18-year-old in Queensland who dies related to this pandemic died because of the vaccine?"

The Commander of Defence COVID-19 taskforce, Lieutenant General John Frewen, said allowing Australians under 40 to get the AstraZeneca jab was about giving people the right to choose.

"The ATAGI advice has remained unchanged. The medical advice has remained unchanged," he told Today.

"People can make informed consent about whichever of the vaccines are available.

"What the PM announced the other day is those under 40 can make an informed choice with their GP about whether they wish to access AstraZeneca or wait until later in the year for an alternative vaccine.

"I would hope all Australians have the right to make an informed choice about the available vaccines."

Since the prime minister made the announcement, 2616 Australians under 40 have chosen "with informed consent" to have AstraZeneca, Mr Frewen said.

"That's 2600 Australians who feel, right now, they would rather have the available vaccine than wait. I think all Australians have that right."

Former Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Nick Coatsworth said yesterday's explosive comments made by leaders about the AstraZeneca vaccine was "a day that the Australian vaccine campaign didn't need to have".

"I think you've seen a lot of medical leaders, myself included, the College of General Practitioners, distancing themselves from Dr Young's comments," he said.

"We don't need this debate at the moment. We just need to crack on with the vaccination campaign.

"Australians can make the decision to have the AstraZeneca if they're over 18 and a consenting adult."

Leading GP Dr Todd Cameron today took aim at Prime Minister Scott Morrison for opening the floodgates of AstraZeneca use to under 40s, saying it would be best if he did not direct the public health initiative around COVID-19 vaccine advice.

Dr Cameron said advice that AstraZeneca could be administered to those under 40 with consultation with their doctor was "confusing".

a man wearing glasses and looking at the camera: Dr Todd Cameron has urged the prime minister to stop giving vaccine advice.

 Felt fine at first then last night started feeling sore over my body, the left arm that got the jab was very tender and have been feeling like Mike Tyson hit me with a big right hook! Had the headache as well, so hopefully the second dose will be easier in September.

I had been holding off having the vaccine, but I work in the health system and the vaccination team were out here at Meekatharra yesterday and when I went to enquire about getting jabbed they said come right in. 

 Haven't commented on this thread yet but will now as I just heard on the radio that they were complaining about nursing home workers not being vaccinated even though they were in the first group of people to be offered. What a load of crap my partner works in nursing homes and has been on a waiting list since February she went through her Gp as she has medications that effect her immune system but checked a fortnight ago and is still no closer to getting her jab than she was back in February. My grandmother is in a nursing home and still hasn't had it yet either, the biggest issue here is the complete and utter bull shit the media dribbles. 

is something that everyone should consider.  You may not die, indeed there is a good chance you won't die with modern health care if necessary.  What I am mindful of is the long term effects of this bloody infection.  My son in laws cousin contracted Covid in London in March last year, aged 32, a normal healthy girl.  Ended up in hospital in the UK until Xmas, they flew her home and was hospitalised again in January. Just been discharged and can just walk up and down the stairs to her bedroom at home.  She is a long term Covid patient, her life is just about stuffed.  My grandmother got Spanish Flu in 1919 in Australia, ended up in a wheelchair, 2 of her 4 kids were put in foster care, she committed suicide 7 years later and never got out of the wheelchair.  Very few statistics are available on the percentage of people who contract Covid and the long term effects even if they recover within a week or two.  They need to release statistics about the percentage of severe, moderate and mild long term effects that occur in those people that are infected.  Some info is available, for those interested google long term Covid, it makes interesting reading.  The one thing we do know is that the Jab reduces the severity, and therefore the chance of long term effects.  I don't particularly want to end up buggered and permanently disabled or even partially disabled, let alone the argument about dying. It could stuff up my fishing.

The PM has just announced that due to the new Indian Covid variant Vindaflu, people will now be offered the new vaccine Punjab.  Please start taking this seriously.  My neighbour caught it and has been in a Karma for a week, and has only just buried his Naan who apparently had a dodgy tikka.

 This time tomorrow I will have had my shot. Not realy looking forward to it but I feel it's one of them things we have to do even if we don't realy want to. 

Some of the stories out there are certainly a wake up for the sceptics 

 Double oops

There is an old (old for Covid19) article from Aug '20 that looks at some data from 139k Covid19 deaths (sourced from the US CDC);

https://towardsdatascience.com/covid-19-comorbidities-are-the-elephant-in-the-room-7d185bd6cfe2

If it's too long to read, then at least scroll down and have a quick look at the tables in the article which breaks down the data in to age groups and comorbidities (Note: just 4% or 6%, both numbers are mentioned, of covid19 deaths had no other comorbidities ... meaning if you are healthy, you have very little chance of dying from Covid19).

It will give you some excellent information for you to better understand what risk group you are in.
Many here believe I am strictly anti-vaccines. If you generalise my overall beliefs with vaccines, then I would fall more in the "anti vax" group rather than the pro vaccine group. But Covid19 vaccines (like any vaccines) should not be a tribal belief of just good or bad. That is, when it comes to vaccines, I have always been a horses for courses believer. If a vaccine offers you more benefits than risks, then it's likely the right decision. I agree with health workers choosing to get many vaccines that I would not get. And as I age and in bad influenza seasons, I will consider getting a flu shot.

If you can gather some information about the vaccine risk/benefits and do the same with the virus/disease for you and your current environment, then you are in a much better place to make a good judgement call. If you are in either group of strictly yes or no, then you are being ignorant to some degree.

 

 You guys need to go do some fishing lol

on the roads before long, probably make more sense  

 Funny thing is I first got a flu shot 20 plus years ago because I was going to the Mackerel Islands and there was a bad flu that season and I didn't want to risk being crook for the trip! I've had one every year since becase I hate the flu.

just to kick this along a bit more ...

guaranteed to i reckon

nothing for the family by way of compensation either id be guessing due to the current indemnity

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/third-australian-61-dies-after-taking-the-astrazeneca-vaccine/ar-AALUu9W?ocid=msedgntp

 Onya Hezzy I will prepare some more popcorn. Do you want a big bucket Simo?

weather has turned to shite apparently ??

so a few beer ads might help lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPKeGK1zv8

 Good adverts..... mmmmm a day off...... the fridge is close..... beers cold.... oh alright I had better do a taste test of one.......or three.

 I'm at the Royal having one right now!

 Real truths

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-10/indonesia-stuck-overseas-helpless-covid-australians-delta/100270898?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf247548719&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf247548719=1&fbclid=IwAR200tkZSuh6HFn1XZFqzd3PDt6Ag_TaFffivtvg6Hp8cddSHxtmJrzM4eA

 Just heard on the radio another 50 odd case's 25 of which had contact out in the community.  

Some say it's just a government hype.  

Tell that to all those that have lost someone to it . 

 Pfizer/5G dose 2 booked for a couple of weeks time. Hopefully I get off lighter that Silver Fox!

must be so good to have voted for marky mark

https://www.amawa.com.au/news/ramping-puts-public-health-on-brink/?fbclid=IwAR1d_XjkRVHGa_Qr_puAdZkXd3M1T31SlpfjLYm5CIFh1HzjfSQNRYVXb_I

Ramping puts public health on brink of catastrophe and endless government excuses just won’t fly
Monday July 12, 2021

Dr Mark Duncan-Smith, President, Australian Medical Association (WA)

As the community comes out of another lockdown cycle today, there’s no such relief for those requiring transport by ambulance to one of our public hospital emergency departments.

There is every chance they will face a long and perhaps life-threatening wait while a hospital bed is found for them.

AMA (WA) President Dr Mark Duncan-Smith said the State Government had long run out of excuses for the near-catastrophic congestion that is choking our emergency departments and leading to ambulances endlessly waiting in hospital lines.

Ramping June 2021“Ramping for the first six months of 2021 is almost equal to WA’s total ramping for 2016 and 2017 combined,” he said.

In June, ambulances were ramped outside WA hospitals for a total of 5,293 hours, the first time ever in WA that ramping in a calendar month has exceeded 5,000 hours.

The new record smashes January 2021 ramping (4,153 hours) by 27 per cent.

“It’s telling to recall what then opposition health spokesman Roger Cook had to say about the situation back in 2015,” Dr Duncan-Smith said.

“What we are seeing is a crisis as month after month we have increases in our ambulance ramping right across metropolitan hospitals,” Mr Cook said at the time.

“This situation is out of control and the Minister for Health is simply missing in action, unable to respond to the crisis.”

In October 2016, Mr Cook asked then Health Minister John Day in Parliament about “disastrous ambulance ramping statistics for August and September, the two worst recorded months ever in WA, each with over 2,000 hours…”

“While still unacceptably high, 2,000 hours of ramping would now be considered the good old days by most,” Dr Duncan-Smith said.Rmping

“To add insult to injury, we’ve had every imaginable excuse now that Mr Cook is actually in a position to address the situation.

“The Government can’t just blame mental health attendances for increased ramping rates, for example, as the Premier and the Health Minister are wont to do.

“Since Mr McGowan has been Premier, mental health attendances have increased by less than 14 per cent, while ramping has increased by an eye-watering 375 per cent.

“Moreover, the need to expand and support community mental health services and create a functional mental health system in WA that doesn’t see consumers forced to rely on our EDs has long been recognised by this Government.”

Although there has been an increase in ED presentations, this has been at a steady and predictable level, the AMA (WA) President said.

“There has not been a massive increase in activity and presentations to the emergency department,” Dr Mark Duncan-Smith said.

“Activity pre-COVID in 2018/2019 was growing steadily at about 4 per cent.

“This double-digit dipped in activity in the first half of 2020 due to the COVID-19 lockdown.

“There was then about a 15 per cent increase from that low in 2020 to 2021, back to the predicted activity line from 2018/2019.

“This current activity was predictable and should have been planned for.” Dr Duncan-Smith said activity in public hospitals elsewhere had not rapidly increased.

“Although other states also have ramping problems, we are amongst the worst and we are the State with the $5 billion surplus,” he said. “Health professionals are trying to work here with the lowest number of beds per capita of any state or territory in Australia.

“We have 2.28 beds per 1,000 head of population and would need 440 beds tomorrow to bring us up to the national average.” As the percentage occupancy of a hospital increases, the percentage of elective surgery cases being cancelled increases.

“Optimal occupancy is 90 per cent or less, while we have been running close to 100 per cent and more than 100 per cent continuously for the last six to 12 months,” Dr Duncan-Smith said.

Inevitably members of the WA community would pay the ultimate price for the combination of these various issues, the AMA (WA) President said.

“On some days more than 90 per cent of cases are not being seen in the national standard time,” Dr Duncan- Smith said.

“An Australian study has shown that if a patient presents to an overcrowded ED, there is a 10 per cent increased risk of dying.

“Deaths on the ramp are occurring.

“While there is a parliamentary inquiry currently gathering submissions into the delivery of ambulance services in WA, the AMA (WA) believes the levels of ramping being experienced are not due to the service being provided by St John Ambulance; if anything, our ambulance workers are doing highly professional work in extraordinary circumstances.

“We need a cultural change from fiscal orientation with cost-cutting to a patient-centred orientation about quality and safety of healthcare delivery.

“We needed this several years ago, but through a lack of adequate long-term policy and planning, we have moved from this being a health crisis to the potential for this to be a public health catastrophe.”

 an you imagine the shit storm if it gets here. They’re be shit scared 

interesting read from the eu

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/freedom-day-looms-in-england-despite-coronavirus-surge/100295326

fiona stanley on code yellow today ,, imagine the sort of confidential conversations going on behind closed doors between the most senior health admin , ama , nurses and wa health gov ciccys and politicians about this and the ramping issue ,,
..

https://thewest.com.au/news/health/fiona-stanley-bed-shortage-hospital-declares-code-yellow-as-emergency-department-hits-breaking-point-ng-b881938029z?utm_content=buffer04342&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=the-west-news&fbclid=IwAR0ooPiWWy30F8jMlPp8zE3jLatBGPJQb0FeHaoTfrkSfc6myyNn32qxeio

cook is a clown as well, cant believe he’s kept his job.

 Cooky should have gone when the findings of that girl's death came out, the buck stops with him. This ramping issue as hezzy points out is a major concern.

not politically correct , and has major offensive language ,, but still funny as imo

https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=100012583068966&attachment_id=356101732577735&message_id=mid.%24cAAAAA8ZYIGyA9-OkWl6xp5ZOlp0r

 Another side of COVID that needs to be considered, you might get through then endure ongoing issues like this. 

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-study-shows-long-covid-symptoms-linger-in-one-in-every-four-20210713-p589cl.html?fbclid=IwAR1r46eYTJdXiX4x4auieySjiyqgG_Jboi4t7gW2j3pbWqua9fmLiumAlIQ