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 It's a bit off topic but for those who haven't had their COVID vaccinations I thought I'd share my real world experience regarding side effects. I'm 48 and pretty fit and healthy (or so I thought). Had my fist Pfizer dose three weeks ago with no real side effects apart from a sore arm. Went in yesterday for round two and I woke up at one o'clock this morning freezing my tits off and shaking uncontrollably (This is definitely not normal for living in the Torres Straights). Had a hotter than hell shower for a half hour with all of the doors n windows closed in my bathroom and was still freezing afterwards. Tried using last nights towel to dry myself and it felt like it was liquid ice, switched to a dry towel and managed to get myself dry with chattering teeth and uncontrollable shaking. Hopped into bed with a doona ( definetly not normal ) and managed to get warm and get to sleep. Woke up an hour later soaked to the bone and feeling like I was on fire. Managed to get back to sleep and woke up this morning feeling like I've just met Marsellus Wallace's friends with the blowtorch and a pair of pliers. Every single joint and muscle in my body is absolutely munted and I'm hurting in places that I didn't even know that existed. Looks like a day on the couch with plenty of Netflix coming my way. Interesting thing is my wife had the Astra Zeneca jab and she got flattened by the first dose and felt okay with the second. Just be prepared when you get whacked to have some downtime available to get your back on track. Now if I can just get my dog to get the remote for me all will be good....

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 Professor Gunga , now that

Sat, 2021-09-04 22:37

 Professor Gunga , now that guy should know his shit. Do a bit of research on him Blue K.

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 I have a question for

Thu, 2021-09-02 10:53

 I have a question for BlueKaiser. 
Covid will definitely get into this State at some point in time. Perhaps it will use the AFL finals as it's Trojan Horse. 

Whilst I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy in the event that BlueKaiser contracted the virus & became extremely ill should he have access to ICU given his very strongly held beliefs & his sustained attempts to to influence others opinions ?
A COVID outbreak in this State with the current level of vaccination will quickly overwhelm our ICU resources. 

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Would it be too harsh to call

Thu, 2021-09-02 12:19

Would it be too harsh to call antivaxxers leeches?

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Not sure

Fri, 2021-09-03 03:13

I'm not sure that was a question for me, but in any case I'll have a go at it.

Using US CDC recent data, for my age demograpic and sex, my chance so far of catching Covid-19 and dying from it if I was in the US since the start of the pandemic has been about 0.11%. My chance of dying from any other cause during that time has been 0.87%.

So my best case scenario in a hypothetical world where a Covid-19 vaccine could offer me 90% effectiveness against death, I would go from having about a 1 in 100 chance of dying down to about 0.95 in 100 chance of dying so far in this pandemic. A nett gain of about 0.05%, best case scenario.
Now given real word data tells me that these vaccines are nowhere near 90% effective and given what I believe about the possible adverse reactions from these vaccines ... I think I'll take the risk of possibly overwhelming our states ICU resources for now.

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I’d say it was directed at you

Fri, 2021-09-03 10:56

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 Frosty wouldn't be that

Fri, 2021-09-03 12:00

 Frosty wouldn't be that direct.

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Either or…..it’s going to be interesting!.

Fri, 2021-09-03 12:12

I thought it was addressing sealures question. 

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sea lure i would ask the

Fri, 2021-09-03 16:25

sea lure

i would ask the more general question then

should we treat anyone with

alcoholism

drugs

obesity

smokers

or other detrimental medical lifestyles or choices , the same as you are suggesting might be done to pro choice australians who dont have the vacine ??

given we know all of those choices lead to more medical $ spent per person on them ?/

should we also remove the right of patients to refuse perfectly normal medical procedures ,like resusitation , or nil by mouth food choices , or blood transfusions etc etc ??

all of these propositions kind of sound good in theory until you start to apply them in a so called civilized society ,,

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That's where Chairman McGowan

Fri, 2021-09-03 16:57

That's where Chairman McGowan is smarter than the average person. You don't have to spend medical $ if people can't get into your hospitals 

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 Hi Hezzy. Your comments are

Fri, 2021-09-03 17:18

 Hi Hezzy. Your comments are extremely valid. 
Equally valid is the fact that ICU resources are limited. In the Italian outbreak last year my colleagues were forced to make decisions regarding who would be denied admission to ICU because those resources were at times exhausted  

It is my earnest wish that this will not happen in Australia. 
ICU Specialists throughout the western world are convinced that vaccination reduces the demand on the limited ICU resources.  

It seems very reasonable to me to respect the knowledge & experience of those who actually work at the "coal face".

That way we help to ensure that ICU is available to all who need it. 

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sealure ,, iv just left a

Fri, 2021-09-03 18:57

sealure ,, iv just left a health care provider after 31 years,,

ime it has in that time across health had less resources applied in all areas ,

i would also make the point , that yes you are correct ICU BEDS are limited

but so are

A & E , , where many of these other types of events present

H D U UNITS same and use higher % of resources

MENTAL HEALTH , same

MATERNITY obese patients who are often too big for the beds etc and use up more resources

MEDICAL

palliative care

etc etc

most are understaffed , under resourced, with 95% occupancy most of the time or higher

if we applied the same logic to these other types of issues where people knowingly self harm or put themselves at higher risks and then use ahigher % of the health resources how would the community respond ?

imagine if your mum a 40 year smoker presents with chest infection/ pain coughing etc and is told she cant be seen due to her choice to smoke or she is told she will go to the back of the que for any xray , scans or even treatment , let alone if she develops cancer and has to go inot palliative care for example multitude of these every day walking into hospitals /surgerys expecting to be frst in line under the current system why single out pro choice ??

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 I accept that our opinions

Sat, 2021-09-04 08:15

 I accept that our opinions are very different & will likely remain so. 

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ivermection ,,, things you

Fri, 2021-09-03 16:29

ivermection ,,, things you might not know until you look lol

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New Microbes New Infect. 2021 Sep; 43: 100924.
Published online 2021 Aug 3. doi: 10.1016/j.nmni.2021.100924
PMCID: PMC8383101
PMID: 34466270
Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19
A.D. Santin,1 D.E. Scheim,2,∗ P.A. McCullough,3 M. Yagisawa,4 and T.J. Borody5
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Abstract
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases. Since March 2020, when IVM was first used against a new global scourge, COVID-19, more than 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have tracked such inpatient and outpatient treatments. Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states with p < 0.002. Sharp reductions in morbidity using IVM were also observed in two animal models, of SARS-CoV-2 and a related betacoronavirus. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains.

Keywords: COVID-19, H. pylori, ivermectin, SARS-CoV-2, spike protein
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Introduction
The 2015 Nobel prize for the discovery of ivermectin (IVM) and an antimalarial treatment was the Nobel committee’s first award for treatment agents for infectious diseases since the one in 1952 for streptomycin [1]. A macrocyclic lactone of multifaceted potency [2,3], IVM as deployed worldwide since 1987 has made major inroads against two devastating tropical diseases, onchocerciasis and lymphatic filariasis [4]. During the year since IVM treatment was first applied to COVID-19, another global scourge [5], results from more than 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) of IVM treatment of COVID-19 have been reported [2,6,7], with inpatient and outpatient treatments of COVID-19 conducted in 25 countries [2]. A likely biological mechanism has been indicated to be competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein sites, as reviewed [8,9].

Recently, Dr Satoshi Omura, the Nobel co-laureate for the discovery of IVM, and colleagues conducted a comprehensive review of IVM clinical activity against COVID-19, concluding that the preponderance of the evidence demonstrated major reductions in mortality and morbidity [2]. Our review of that evidence, updated with consideration of several new studies, supports the same conclusion.

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Animal studies for IVM treatment of SARS-CoV-2 and a closely related betacoronavirus
A framework for the examination of clinical IVM treatment results for COVID-19 is provided by related animal studies using IVM at low human-equivalent doses. In golden hamsters that were intranasally inoculated with SARS-CoV-2, causing symptomatic COVID-19 infections, concurrent dosing with IVM significantly reduced the severity of clinical signs (p < 0.001). While viral load was not reduced, these improvements included one-third of the incidence of anosmia and sharp reductions in the Il-6/Il-10 ratio in lung tissue [10]. In another animal model, mice were infected with mouse hepatitis virus MHV-A59 [11], a betacoronavirus strain that does not express hemagglutinin esterase [12], like SARS-CoV-2, SARS-CoV, and MERS [8]. Whereas infected mice had severe histopathological liver damage, IVM-treated mice had half the hepatic viral load and minimal liver damage, not significantly different than that observed in uninfected controls.

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RCTs for IVM treatment and prevention of COVID-19
More than 20 RCTs for IVM treatment of COVID-19 have been conducted to date, as cited above. A search of Google Scholar for meta-analyses of IVM treatment studies of COVID-19 that appeared in 2021 [13] yielded seven such studies that drew conclusions from RCTs only [6,[14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]]. The relative risk (RR) of mortality with IVM treatment vs. controls as calculated in four of these meta-analyses using Cochrane analysis methodology ranged from 0.25 to 0.37, with a mean of 0.31 [6,14,15,19]. The three other meta-analyses reported odds ratios of 0.16, 0.21 and 0.33, with a mean of 0.23 [[16], [17], [18]]. Six of these seven meta-analyses concluded that there was a significant [6,[14], [15], [16]] or possible [17,18] indication of the efficacy of IVM in reducing COVID-19 mortality. One found no evidence of IVM efficacy in its first version [20], reporting an RR of 1.11 for IVM treatment vs. controls, and stuck with that finding even after changing this RR value to 0.37 and correcting switched treatment and control deaths it had misreported for one study [21] in a revised version [19]. Among the most recent and comprehensive of these seven meta-analyses reported a pooled total of 31 deaths among 1101 subjects in IVM treatment groups and 91 deaths among 1064 controls from 11 RCTs, amounting to a 67% reduction in mortality, with a statistical significance for an overall effect of p = 0.005 [16]. The RCT that used the largest dose of IVM, 400 μg/kg on each of days 1-4 [22], had 2 vs. 24 deaths in the treatment vs. control groups (n = 200 each).

An objection that had been raised earlier in 2021 to the preponderance of clinical evidence for the efficacy of IVM treatment of COVID-19 as summarized above was that none of these RCTs had been published in mainstream peer-reviewed scientific journals [23]. Closing that gap, however, was the publication in 2021 in journals from major scientific publishers of five such RCTs for COVID-19 treatment [[24], [25], [26], [27], [28]], each showing multiple clinical benefits for IVM vs. controls, most of these to statistical significance at p < 0.002. Also published in 2021 were three other RCTs for IVM treatment of COVID-19: one that reported briefer hospital stays for IVM treatment short of statistical significance (p = 0.08) [29], another that compared IVM with two other drug treatment groups but not a placebo group and found no benefit [30], and an additional study conducted in Cali, Columbia with mix-ups between treatment and placebo doses as described below.

Another objection that has been raised to the RCT evidence supporting IVM efficacy was that study populations were too small [31]. Yet, it is well known in clinical trial design that highly effective drugs will establish statistically significant results with smaller sample sizes, with larger study populations required for minimally effective drugs [32,33]. But for a drug with a more modest RR of 75%, for example, the treatment and control arms would need more than 3800 subjects each to yield the same statistical significance [33]. Although large study populations are useful to screen for adverse effects (AEs) of new drugs, IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987 [2,3] and is well tolerated even at much greater doses than the standard single dose of 200 μg/kg [34,35]. It has been used in RCTs for COVID-19 treatment at cumulative doses of 1500 μg/kg [36], 1600 μg/kg [22] and 3000 μg/kg [37] over 4 or 5 days with only small percentages of mild or transient adverse effects.

Among these RCTs that established safety for high-dose IVM treatment of COVID-19 was one conducted in Cali, Columbia, with generally mild COVID-19 cases, median age 37, having only one death in the control group [36]. The study found no statistically significant symptom improvements with IVM treatment yet reported a striking anomaly: AEs distinctive for its high IVM dose, described in the study protocol as ‘security parameters’ for its IVM use, occurred at almost identical rates in its IVM and placebo arms. These included transient incidences of blurred vision (11.3%, 11.6%) and dizziness (35.6%, 34.3%). These indications of IVM use in controls occurred as over-the-counter sales of IVM surged in the study region during the study period (Supplementary Table 1). Further questions as to the study’s treatment/control boundaries were raised by the mistaken substitution of IVM for placebo for 38 patients, discovered by the lead pharmacist a month after the fact (study, p. 3; study protocol supplement, p. 43). In addition, blinding was breached by the use of the dextrose-saline solution as the placebo for 64 control patients (IVM tastes distinctively bitter), while the composition of the replacement placebo solution was not specified [38].

Supporting the findings of IVM efficacy in COVID-19 treatment as summarized above were indications of activity against SARS-CoV-2 in prevention studies. Three RCTs evaluated the prophylactic effect of IVM administered to cohorts of 100 [22], 117 [39] and 203 [40] subjects exposed to COVID-19 patients. These studies, all using IVM in doses of at least 150 μg/kg per week, reported statistically significant reductions in COVID-19 incidences, with respective RRs of 20%, 26% and 13% as compared with controls, and greater reductions in incidences of moderate and severe cases. Another RCT for COVID-19 prevention administered just one dose of IVM at 12 mg (about 150 μg/kg) to 617 subjects on day one of a 42-day observation period, while three other preventative regimens were each administered daily over that period [41]. IVM at that single low dose yielded the best results of these four regimens, with highly statistically significant reductions of close to 50% in both symptomatic COVID-19 and acute respiratory symptoms vs. controls.

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14-fold reductions in excess deaths with IVM use in Peru, then 13-fold increase after IVM restricted
The clinical experience of IVM treatments of COVID-19 in 25 countries extends far beyond the RCT results summarized, yet incomplete tracking and lack of control data exclude most of this for evaluation. The record of nationally authorized such treatments in Peru provides a notable exception [42]. In ten states of Peru, mass IVM treatments of COVID-19 were conducted through a broadside, army-led effort, Mega-Operación Tayta (MOT), that began on different dates in each state. In these MOT states, excess deaths dropped sharply over 30 days from peak deaths by a mean of 74%, in close time conjunction with MOT start date (Fig. 1B). In 14 states of Peru having locally administered IVM distributions, the mean reduction in excess deaths over 30 days from peak deaths was 53%, while in Lima, which had minimal IVM distributions during the first wave of the pandemic due to restrictive government policies there, the corresponding 30-day decrease in excess deaths was 25%.

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A) Excess all-cause deaths (all ages), the national population of Peru. These decreased 14-fold from 1st August through 1st December 2020; then, after IVM use was restricted, increased 13-fold through 1st February. For A and B, y values are 7-day moving averages; for B and C, ages ≥60. Data are from Peru’s National Death Information System (SINADEF). (B) Drops in excess deaths for all states of operation MOT, an army-led program of mass IVM distributions, but Pasco, which had them on three dates. • MOT start date; ▴ peak deaths; ▪ day of peak deaths +30 days. Junin distributed IVM through local channels 13 days before MOT start. (C) Reductions in excess deaths at +30 days after peak deaths for the 25 states by extent of IVM distributions: maximal-MOT (Image 1), mean -74%; moderate-local distributions (Image 2), mean -53%; and minimal-Lima (Image 3), -25%. The absolute value of these reductions by state correlated with extent of IVM distributions with Kendall τb = 0.524, p < 0.002 (Spearman rho = 0.619, p < 0.001). All these data are from publicly accessible Peruvian national databases, with associated frozen datasets available from the Dryad data repository [42].

Reductions in excess deaths by state (absolute values) correlated with the extent of IVM distribution (maximal-MOT states, moderate-local distributions, and minimal-Lima) with Kendall τb = 0.524, p < 0.002, as shown in Fig. 1C. Nationwide, excess deaths decreased 14-fold over four months through 1st December 2020. After a restrictive IVM treatment policy was enacted under a new Peruvian president who took office on 17th November, however, deaths increased 13-fold over the two months following 1st December through 1st February 2021 (Fig. 1A). Potential confounding factors, including lockdowns and herd immunity, were ruled out using Google community mobility data, seropositivity rates, population densities and geographic distributions of SARS-CoV-2 genetic variations and by restricting all analysis except that for Fig. 1A to ages ≥ 60. Excess deaths were used in all analyses rather than COVID-19 case fatalities as gross underreporting of pandemic deaths by case fatalities was known to the Peruvian Ministry of Health since July 2020 [43]. This disparity has been consistently manifested in the national health database figures for COVID-19 case fatalities vs. all natural-cause deaths since that date [42].

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IVM-based combination treatments and other research in progress
Combination treatments using IVM and adjuncts have shown indications of efficacy against COVID-19 in RCTs conducted to date [24,44]. Results using IVM, doxycycline and zinc to treat serious and critical cases having spO2 ≤ 90 prior to treatment, with spO2 changes tracked 24 hours after treatment, will be reported by TJB with Sabine Hazan, MD. Pronounced improvements of serious COVID-19 symptoms within 1–2 days after IVM administration have been observed in several patients treated by the lead author (ADS), and studies to objectively track such short-term clinical benefits of IVM for COVID-19 are underway. Information on other combination treatments using IVM with agents such as fluvoxamine, for which clinical studies also indicate significant benefits [45], is provided by the USA-based FLCCC alliance (https://covid19criticalcare.com).

The curative potential of combination therapy was demonstrated in a medical breakthrough of three decades prior for another disease, peptic ulcers, for which the discovery of its underlying bacterial cause, Helicobacter pylori, was honoured with the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2005. In 1990, Dr Thomas J. Borody published the original clinical trial of a combination treatment for H. pylori, achieving a 96% cure rate for a triple therapy consisting of three repurposed drugs, bismuth subcitrate and two antibiotics [46]. Between 1990 and 2015, an estimated 18,665 deaths were prevented by the timely application of this triple therapy for peptic ulcer disease in Australia [47]. After the expiration of the patents for two palliative drugs for this condition, Tagamet and Zantac [48], which had each earned billions of dollars, triple therapy became the standard of care for peptic ulcers in the rest of the world by the late 1990s.

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Conclusion
We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [8], possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains. IVM has been safely used in 3.7 billion doses since 1987, well tolerated even at much greater than standard doses [34,35] and used without serious AEs in the three high-dose COVID-19 treatment studies noted above [34,36,37]. In the current international emergency of COVID-19, with mutant viral strains, vaccination refusals and potentially waning immunities over months presenting new challenges, IVM can be an effective component of the mix of therapeutics deployed against this pandemic.

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Funding
No funding was received for this perspective.

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This is a review and ethical approval was not required.

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Transparency declaration
TJB is a principal in Topelia Therapeutics (Ventura, California), which seeks to commercialize cost-effective treatments for COVID-19, including IVM. All other authors report no conflicts of interest.

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Footnotes
Appendix ASupplementary data to this article can be found online at https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nmni.2021.100924.

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They cite a pre-print

Sun, 2021-09-05 08:06

They cite a pre-print (citation 22) that was withdrawn because of strong evidence of faked data and poor controls, multiple times.

Remove that unreliable study from many of the cited meta analysis studies, and suddently the conclusions from those meta-analyses are very different.

I'd say it's not worth anyone else's time to read that garbage.

Current WHO guidance is "We recommend not to use ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except in the context of a clinical trial."  Which, given the currently available evidence, is absolutely the right call.

 

 

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Really

Sat, 2021-09-04 09:19

 What happened i dozed off

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the devil is always in the

Sat, 2021-09-04 14:20

the devil is always in the detail lol

bit of a read,above i know , but interesting points about ivermectin if you get through it and the way it has been used on humans with info attached

im not advocating it etc

just putting up some info that seems to be legit about it and the sources etc

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 Not advocating something

Sun, 2021-09-05 17:50

 Not advocating something that seems to be legit, really hezzy? 

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yes ..really andy

Sun, 2021-09-05 20:56

yes ..really andy ,,,,,,,,,FFS im not advocating ivermectin ,but i was surprised it won a nobel prize and how its being used ,, same as thallidamide[[spelling ] is still being used ,,

you or anyone else can draw your own conclusions or inferences , thats your choice but shite mate its along bow if you really think id put it im my body at present or suggest you should by posting that info ,,

show me anywhere i have done so ?? you know what happens when you assume things andy ??

my intention is to just put up info or links etc that others may wish to read or not and have a bit of fun with , and get silver fox well into legend status ,,

you know in the current situation there is so much information out there that is confusing and contradictory , regardless if your pro vaccine or pro choice

personally im really hating the way this situation is dividing australians against each other , state versus state or just hate insults etc between normal everyday people ,,who each of them have a right to make a choice about what they wish to take or not

when its considered ok to be calling people uneducated , unintelligent , uncaring , selfish etc , when state and political leaders are throwing fuel on the fire of hate and divide in our country it is imo appaling and should be stopped ,,or at least called out as wrong ,,, the list is long on that

imo so much of this scare mongering and gov bullying is political , given the death rate for covid ..especailly here in oz

back in march mgowan locked us down for one uber /security guard driver ,,, who pretty much did not infect anyone even though he went all over the place ,, this month two truckies come across the border, as far as perth ,,and its a totally different response ,,no lockdown , low risk is that health experts being leant on by the politics of wanting the gf in perth ?/who knows ,,but sure smells off to me

we now have a situation where the gov /industry are suggesting its ok to force medical treatment on citizens in this country ,,,, if they want it or not ..... just think about that for a minute and where it may lead ,,,id adopted ..

not any conspiracy theory ...just a very solid long held medical principle that removes anyones choice

imagine if your obese how that might end up within 10-15 years,, or if you smoke , or drink a bit more than a standard amount every week etc

that is a really scary pathway into the future

now this week are being pre wired to the new covid variant that may not respond to the current vaccines being used ,,,

if that proves to be true then what ??

everyone thinks this high vacination rate will open the country up ?? but will it ?? what about travel insurance ?? still no answer to this question is there ??

even if you are vacinated , would anyone go overseas at present or in future without it ?

if they get to the 80 % vacinated rate ,so no admission to hospitals for them as there protected right ??,that leaves only 20% of the population who might get covid without protection , and even if thy all got covid , how many of them would end up in hospital or icu ??

the gov here is quietly panicking as they know there health system at present cant cope with normal daily presentations , let alone that small addition ,,

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https://www.watoday.com.au/wo

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https://www.skynews.com.au/au

Sat, 2021-09-04 19:33

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/tga-reports-two-deaths-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine/video/c6457ec3f012b0449128deeb92c86532

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Fri, 2021-09-10 07:58

 Looks like Marky Marks 5.8bn surplus is a safety buffer. Data shows that when COVID makes it to West Oz it's going to take out 30k jobs and easily consume the surplus in a six week period, not to mention the implosion of the health care system. It's going to be laughable when the rest of the country has reopened and is operating per usual with closed borders to Western Australia. 
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Real World vs Propaganda

Fri, 2021-09-10 09:17

Here's a little insight into the junk MSM articles pushing their propaganda, that many of you are basing your beliefs on;

https://goodwordnews.com/rolling-stone-magazine-caught-in-the-act-of-fake-news-about-ivermectin-rt-in-french/

The article highlights the misinformation pushed by a recent Rolling Stones article, which was also picked up and ran with by many of the typical Fake News MSM propaganda pushers.

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 Lol

Fri, 2021-09-10 10:22

 Lol

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 Why is it that the makers of

Fri, 2021-09-10 11:01

 Why is it that the makers of Ivermectin, Merck, say it should not be used to prevent or treat COVID-19? Seems strange to me if it's any use at all.

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 Because all these fruit

Fri, 2021-09-10 11:17

 Because all these fruit scientists/doctors think they know better than the manufacturer. But I'm sure ol mate Blue will have a good all encompassing answer for you Dave.

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 Genuine question Andy but I

Fri, 2021-09-10 12:05

 Genuine question Andy but I think you'll be right! 

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More propaganda?

Fri, 2021-09-10 16:17

 TGA now restrcit what GPs can prescribe the iver for, becasuse of concerns about using it for Covid.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100448850 

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https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc

Fri, 2021-09-10 12:16

https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc

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 Thank you so much Simo.

Fri, 2021-09-10 12:35

 Thank you so much Simo. Haven't had such a good laugh in a long time. 

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 Ole Glady's bin chicken 

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 Saw it the other day Simo

Fri, 2021-09-10 13:03

 Saw it the other day Simo but it's still bloody funny each time!

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 It's comedy gold. True too

Fri, 2021-09-10 16:11

 It's comedy gold. True too lol

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 Go Simo. I wish I had

Tue, 2021-09-21 10:21

 Go Simo. I wish I had watched that earlier.   Love it

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