Caribbean 2300 total weight?

Hi all

Finally time to seriously start looking at a new tub and while theres a few Im considering, top of both the budget and wish list is a 2300. Like most of the boats in that size range, 3.5T towing is a major concern. Hard to find much reliable info and know theres a lot of variables that go into it (size/weight of engine, how much gear, eskies etc etc). Only half decent summary I could find online is:

 

Hull Weight: 1,550 kg not including engine

Trailer Tare (tow weight) Mackay Alloy: 490 kg

Engine Weight: 390 kg (2 x 195 kg each.) based on Twin Mercury
 
150hp Optimax Outboards
 
Fuel and water: 380kg
 
Plus an allowance of say 5% added - to cover Battery, Anchor,
 
Electronics, Covers etc
 
Total Tow Weight = 2,951kg’s
 
 
 
I know that seems light on, especially the 5% and using a alloy trailer etc.
 
Just asking if anyone has one, or knows someone who does and what the actual, realistic weight of the trailer/ boat/ outbourd/ full fuel and packed up for a road trips worth of fishing gear actual is in a ballpark figure and is it under the magic 3.5T mark?
 
If I do pull the trigger on this, would be a single 300, probably a suzuki at this stage
 
thanks 

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Tricky one.

Sun, 2020-10-25 08:05

Wouldn't you be better off to go up a tow vehicle and trailer size?. Going for a 4500 kg trailer will save you a lot of headaches and hassles when it comes to loading up for those trips away. I'm going down that road at the moment for my cat, she got weighed the other day and came in at 4t with empty tanks and a trailer tare of 1500 kg leaves me with 500 kg to play with. Got my truck on Friday and I'm off to Duralite tomorrow morning to pull the trigger on my new trailer. Next stop Thursday Island! Who hoo!.

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 Yeah, its a tough call If

Sun, 2020-10-25 11:08

 Yeah, its a tough call

 

If its not safely under 3.5T, (Im guessing not) about the only financially viable option I have (not buying a F-truck or similar!) is to look at a new DMAX or similar and get the towing upgrade to 4T before its licenced... but thats one of the 100 things to work out right about now

 

Its either that or start looking at a pimped out Reef Runner and settling for the smaller size

 

First world problems eh

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Upgrade

Sun, 2020-10-25 17:09

Is it a BVM or GCM upgrade?

Seen a few cruisers get done but it only added to GVM and load capacity not towing capacity.

Most I have seen so far dont give an option for increased tow capacity. Tried looking at a few options when I was changing boats

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Creative Conversions can do it

Wed, 2020-10-28 06:57

They are on the Gold Coast.  

4495kg GVM plus 4200kg BTC.   Requires full cut and chassis extension on a 200 series.   Looking at $43K just for their work, plus cost of vehicle. 

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Swank fabrications

Wed, 2020-10-28 08:14

pretty sure swank fabrications in malaga do the upgrades to increase towing capacity, check out their Facebook page.  

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Only 500kg to play and all

Sun, 2020-10-25 19:51

Only 500kg to play and all tanks empty? So would you have any leftover once all tanks are pressed? 

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 Mansfield marine could

Sun, 2020-10-25 08:11

 Mansfield marine could probably answer you questions.

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 Yeah, cheers mate, have

Sun, 2020-10-25 11:09

 Yeah, cheers mate, have already started conversations with them so see what happens but a but worried about dealerships to be honest, probably a tendancy to tell you what you want to hear so was looking for someone with first hand experience that could tell me straight 

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 I was gonna get a 2300 but

Sun, 2020-10-25 11:51

 I was gonna get a 2300 but ended up with a stabicraft 2400 super cab and wrapped with it.still stuck in Sydney atm but will be back in Mandurah hopefully dec. been out a fair bit here but Sydney is shit.

 

trailer weight of 490kg looks very light, may want to check that. Also that won't include a spare or anything, just base trailer.

i ended up going steel for strength, as I heard some stories of ally flexing. Twin 150s are heavy compared to single 300 also.

 

mansfield are expensive for there trailers too, but I received good service from them, and their work is top notch I hear.

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I have a mate with one.

Sun, 2020-10-25 17:31

 Single 300hp Yamaha, extended canopy, otherwise pretty standard. He weighed his at around 3200kg, IIRC. They hold 420 litres of fuel and 70 litres of water, so you need to revise that upwards a bit. 

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You’ll be under 3.5 but comes

Sun, 2020-10-25 19:46

You’ll be under 3.5 but comes down to how much you need to load if going on big trips away

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 Give Dan at Mansfield Marine

Sun, 2020-10-25 21:01

 Give Dan at Mansfield Marine in Freo a call and he'll sort you out.

 

I bought a second hand 2017 model four months or so ago. Has a 300 Yammie on the back.


Great boat! I tow it with a 200 series with no dramas

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 Have you seen that Fury have

Mon, 2020-10-26 16:38

 Have you seen that Fury have now got the molds for the 660 Smuggler which is basically a bigger version of the B20. Would be well under 3T loaded.

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Smuggler

Mon, 2020-10-26 17:51

 One of my kids had one of these smugglers. Nice boat with lots of deck space. I reckon it would be closer to 2.5 tonnes.

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Checked up on that weight.

Mon, 2020-10-26 18:02

 He confirmed it was 3 tonne, but didn't have a lot of fuel on board. So easily 3200. As for the towing, the 3500kg bandied about is the BTC, or braked towing capacity. This has been set in stone until recently. Play sit GVM upgrades all you like, that's just to get you more payload and GCM. To change the BTC was not possible. However, Lovells seem to have persuaded the federal transport authorities it can be done. So, you can get them to do it as an SSM. HOWEVER....

1. Just be done before first registration, so, only on new vehicle

2. Only on some Landcruiser variations

3. Need a full gvm upgrade with it

4. There are some others caveats that apply.

Big bucks. Had a look at the price of a new cruiser lately? You likely be paying over $100 k out the door for a farm Ute by the time you've done the upgrade. Hell  a lot of people were paying that for  a 79 series without the upgrade, before the latest price rise. 

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cheers for the info mate,

Wed, 2020-10-28 18:10

cheers for the info mate, exactly what I was after

 

and even better for the current start updates on the GVM