Boating Industry Association Demersal Fishing Report.
Boating Industry Association Demersal Fishing Report.
People may have seen an article in the West about the Boating Industry Association of WA supporting a recreational demersal fishing licence attached to a boat, including comments about anglers having to apply for "fishing days".
In fact the report was commissioned by the Association and written by former Director of Fisheries Research (now retired) Jim Penn.
The reported part was only one part of a 42 page report covering all the proposals in Fisheries Management Papers 225 and 228 from earlier in 2008, and more. The report was written in August.
The source document for the recent article in the West is:-
"REVIEW OF NEW RECREATIONAL DEMERSAL FISHING RULES FOR BOATING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA INC.
Prepared by Dr Jim Penn, Fisheries Research and Management Consultant"
That full report is now available on the Boating Industry Association website at http://www.biawa.asn.au/index.php?content=news&page=news.php&action=viewArticle&articleID=75
The report covers:-
1. Minimum and maximum size limits
2. Bag limits/boat limits.
3. Catch quota [tag systems]
4. Closed seasons
5. Closed areas [Fixed and/or rotational]
6. Permanent fishing closures [all species]
7. Roster fishing
8. Demersal Fishing License System (the topic of the West article)
9. Wilderness fishing areas
10. Stock enhancement
Thanks to the BIAWA for making this available to the public so that comments on the article can be based on the actual and full contents of the BIAWA report.
42 pages.... Enjoy.
TerryF
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fishcrazy
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actual reports
yea but what a mixed up mess roster fishing ,and flawed with so called facts
Adam Gallash
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Sigh
Haven't read it yet, but I'll give my opinion of having to apply for fishing days!!! They can restrict me to 0 fish and I'll still go fishing, but take away my right to go fishing when I want to / able to, then they can go and get *****D.
roberta
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Sigh again.......total crap
if this is true can't believe the stupditiy of it all. I sometimes wonder, how people can make these so called recommendations.
SPEWIE LEWIE
uncle
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right to fish
I,m with you Adam,they could kiss my arse,and that arn't a pretty sight
Fast fish rule!
TerryF
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Sigh!! Am I wasting my time
Sigh!!
Am I wasting my time trying to give info to people on Fishwrecked???
TerryF
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dpost80
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??
What sort of reaction are you looking for with that post Terry?
I'd offer you my box of tissues but Matty has them atm... don't you mate.
GOATRUTAR
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Did you have fun working
Did you have fun working yesterday mate?
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
dpost80
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haha
You're a nasty nasty man!
Farq
TerryF
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It's a very simple
It's a very simple question.
Looking for answers, not reactions.
No need for tissues. If enough people, especially Adam, think it's worthwhile then I'll continue.
TerryF
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luke
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i cant believe what i have
i cant believe what i have just read above in your last 2 comments terry!!! at least the subject has been responded too on fishwrecked...unlike other sites!!!
in saying that, i see further below in your recent comments, good info, and yes, i agree with your current interpretation on dhuie bag limits .... if seriously needs better wording if the fisheries want to really help the fish imo!!!
keep posting you info, your efforts are appreciated, allthough sometimes it may not look like it !!! ;)
i guess the messenger does get shot alot of the time.... ahh well...keep the info coming to fishwrecked terry, as most on hear do give a damn!!
TerryF
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Thanks luke. Do you have
Thanks luke.
Do you have time for that meeting any time soon?? Lots to talk about, examples:- some of the posts here and the reason for asking that simple question.
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damo6230
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simple
thanks Terry,
I will read tonight. As an enforcement officer for Gov I am interested; just spend so much time on computer at work sometimes one needs a break....
appreciated the assistance/link in highlighting the issue(s).
GOATRUTAR
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Damo are you a fisheries
Damo are you a fisheries enforcement officer??
If so can you tell me what the rule changes for dhufish possesion limits next year.
If there is 3 on the boat will you be able to take 6 dhuies, 4people 8 dhuies?I asked the fisheries at the ramp yesterday and he was not sure!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
VAGABOND
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The way I understand it Matt
The way I understand it Matt it is 2 daily bag limits per boat, total of 8 cat 1 fish and if you have 5 or more people on board the fifth person and up can have two fish each. So only max 4 dhui's if 4 people on board.
GOATRUTAR
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Jas even the fisheries guy
Jas even the fisheries guy wasn't sure!
I asked him at the ramp yesterday!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
fishcrazy
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info
accurate info is good ,but non accurate is just no good for anyone
damo6230
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not a fisheries officer
not a fisheries officer, DEC officer.
vagabond has the goods
diji
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Fisherie's never give a straight answer
They are pathetic the way they give information out never give the right answers and always twisting things only the answers they want you to hear.
Terry, the info you supply and help with links on this site is excellent,definately worthwhile in my opinion you help out more than the fisherie's
Jason
boofhead
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have you recieved your new
have you recieved your new "champion tree hugger" shirt yet???
cheers Jes
TerryF
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damo and diji Thanks for
damo and diji
Thanks for your comments.
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boofhead
If you think working voluntarily for the future of recreational fishing so that recreational fisherman can get a fair share of the fish, have reasonable rules, no unnecessary "no fishing" areas, and know enough about all that, is "treehugging", then I guess by your definition I'm a treehugger. Real green "treehuggers" might not agree, though.
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Questions like the boat limits for dhufish are things I can help with interpretation of the media releases and stuff posted on the Fisheries website, or I can ask my better informed contacts in the Dept of Fisheries.
My interpretation of the words in http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestCoastDemersal/management.php
is that the boat limit for dhufish with four people on board is 8 dhufish, from
and that could be made up of 8 dhufish, but no other category 1 fish, from
which are 2 dhufish per person per day, so 4 people could have 8 dhufish
Yep there was talk of "the boat limit being two individual bag limits" and that does fit for the boat limit being 8 category 1 fish, but the inclusion of "(subject to individual daily bag limits)" complicates the interpretation so that it DOESN't appear to apply per species.
If that interpretation is correct, then the new rules to come will not actually provide any protection for dhufish IF people chose to target and keep only dhufish.
Having given that interpretation, I have seen several cases where the actual regulations as written are slightly/very different to the wording of the media releases, etc so the only thing that matters are the regulations, and they haven't been released yet, so no one knows.
THAT'S why it's a bit much to ask about management rules which haven't yet been put into the regulations and then expect every person working for Fisheries to know the exact details of what's coming, and why some would be wary about commenting.
TerryF
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VAGABOND
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If the new regs are subject
If the new regs are subject to daily bag limits and there is a max of 2 bag limits per boat and each bag limit only allows 2 dhufish per bag limit I would think that would be max 4 Dhufish? Any way we will find out the nuts and bolts of it in the next few months.
Tim
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Thats RIght
Thats right if they word it as a boat limit of 2 daily bag limits but as Terry said Jason the wording atm says 8 high risk fish.
** Rockingham Offshore Fishing Club **
TerryF
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But the announcement didn't
But the announcement didn't say the limit would be "2 bag limits per boat", it said "the boat limit would be 8 high risk fish"
Agree we have to wait for the regulations to get this cleared up.
TerryF
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Edit:- As Tim said..... I was doing two things at once and didn't see his post.
damo6230
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Terry
Terry
PM sent, if ya don't get let me know.
Damo
TerryF
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Damo PM reply sent
Damo
PM reply sent
TerryF
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GOATRUTAR
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Cheers Terry for your take
Cheers Terry for your take on it and yes I too do appreciate your help with these type of matters but the political side of it has me done!
I'm over the mountains of pages that need to be read!
Even the DOF enforcement officers must be loosing it as they have to carry a booklet with them to make sure they get their facts right!
Once again cheers!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
diji
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Treehugger was aimed at me Terry
Im getting one of those treehugger shirts from the wilderness society $35 each i want jill st johns t/shirts to be in some fishing pics.lol!
knothome
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BIAWA
i haven't read it all but if BIAWA support something that will affect my boating/fishing then i will not buy (support) anything from there members from now on.
cheers dennis
TerryF
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Thanks goat and diji Dennis.
Thanks goat and diji
Dennis. Here's the list of BIAWA members for you not to buy from (not support) http://www.biawa.asn.au/members_directory/alphalist.htm
TerryF
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knothome
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the net
Thanks Terry,now i know who not to go to for a new boat and will buy more from whitworths
ill buy of the net before they get anymore of my money.
Barrd Up
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Terry, You do a good job
Terry,
You do a good job on this site and others. Those interested in reading should read it, those not interested don't read it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, we do live in a democracy.
But don't shoot the messenger, Terry is only providing the information.
saltatrix
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Knothome: i haven't read it
Knothome: i haven't read it all but if BIAWA support something that will affect
my boating/fishing then i will not buy (support) anything from there
members from now on.
You are concerned that there decision may reduce the amount of fish you take home?
The BIAWA is wrestling with an outcome that is under tremendous pressure to happen?
Its not that measures of catch reduction arent going to happen, its "Heres your options BIAWA".
Sincerely, What do you want to happen Knothome? What would you do given a choice?