Just thought I'd add my opinion.
Submitted by fisherking on Thu, 2008-10-09 17:11.
Just thought I'd add my opinion.
Thu, 2008-10-09 15:38
This ban thing seems a bit tricky. There was a guy on here the other day who had the best idea yet. Imo.
The odd & even number thing makes perfect sense to me. Not complicated & pretty damn easy to enforce.
Maybe it's just too simple.
Personally, I'm not against a ban as long as it is a ban on recs & commercial fishing.
We used to have a closed season back home, during the spawning season, & it seemed to work well. That first day of the new season was a really exiting time, get down to the water the night before & drop yer line on the stroke of midnight. The anticipation was out of this world.
I'm sure I'll catch a biggy oneday.
GOATRUTAR
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But do you believe we should
But do you believe we should have a ban for an area when the Pro's are still able to fish the same ground?
That is the main sticking point if conservation is the true reason for the bans in the first place!
The pro's and recs combined have fished the metro zone for a long time and the truth is that the vast majority of pro's don't even fish the metro zone they fish North of Yanchep and South of Mandurah.So the bans imposed on the Pro's had a minimal effect apart for the ability for the fisheries to use their so called loss against us!
We will be told that that a huge amount of licences have been taken from the metro zone but the truth is that most are these have been taken of Pro-cray fisherman not set and drop liners that take 60...70......80 dhuies in a hit plus by-catch and juvenile fish!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
fisherking
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That's what I'm saying. If
That's what I'm saying. If there has to be a ban, BAN EVERYONE. No exceptions. NONE!
I'm sure I'll catch a biggy oneday.
roberta
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Goatrutar
Just got back from Leeman yesterday and crayboat came back last Wednesday, he is also a charter and took out charter on Saturday 11.10.08. Apparently the last time he went out (don't know when maybe end cray season,) he took out 20 people and came back in with over 80 fish (don't know species) they all caught, don't think this is fair at all, as his catch goes on our amatuer catch plus in town their are 3 professional fishmen, wont be worth going up there to fish, it also will be over fished by professionals.
SPEWIE LEWIE
Brad Anderson
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Listening to Howard Sattler
Listening to Howard Sattler this afternoon.Maybe not relevant to this post :
A commercial fisherman thinking he has more write to the community fish stocks
because he pays a lisence and has a family to feed than you or me.
Sorry mate but the fish are no more yours than they are mine.
If your locking me out to decrease fishing pressure and to preserve the fish mass
then its quiet simple - as far as i'm concerned you don't have the right to fish either.
GOATRUTAR
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Brad you just hit the nail
Brad you just hit the nail on the head!
As much as I detest the idea of a ban, I could swallow the concept if it was a blankett ban for everyone, pro's included.
This is what Recfishwest fail to realise
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
wadetolley
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fishing numbers
I dont think the numbers idea is good..what about us poor fly in fly out workers that only have a few days every couple of weeks to go fishing....and also why should the poor guys with a tinny be restricted on what days he can fish..when he is only ever catching whiting ect I think you should be only allowed.. 1 fish each of the v5 when you go out, that is plenty for a feed, and think people would be happy with that.
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kaney68
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"I think you should
"I think you should be only allowed.. 1 fish each of the v5 when you go out, that is plenty for a feed, and think people would be happy with that."
Don't think so... people will still complain about it !
Just like before the v5 ban was deferred. You had the ones who were dead against it (the ban) and others for it..
Now the ban has been deffered we still have those for and against the new rules.
What ever happens will not satisfy everyone.
As for the odd/even fishing days - I don't really see the problem.
If we were given that option over a complete 3 month ban on fishing, I know what I'd be choosing !
I don't see the relevance of it restricting the guys in a tinny fishing for whiting.. Only for it applying to the v5 - if your caught with those fish on board on your off day, your screwed !!!! very simple..
But same as the majority of people on this site and the others, I firmly believe an equal ban/restrictions for both recs and commercials..
Fish today.....work tomorrow !
wadetolley
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Talking about fishing numbers
Talking about fishing odds/even days Kaney...why should a tinny fisherman be restricted on what days they are allowed to fish for a feed of whiting, when the problem is the big boats heading out and getting into the v5
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kaney68
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That's what I said.. No
That's what I said..
No issue if fishing for other species..
You're only going to get done if you are caught in posession of a v5 specie on a non-allocated day
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1 of the v5 each
i dont think that would go down well ,if you spend $$$$$$$$$ on fuel to go get them you would want at lesat a couple each if you can get them.we fish 4 to the boat (just family) getting 8 for us would be rare but to get just 4 max would suck imo
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Faulkners
If it is about taking home fish to cover your fuel bill
you shouldnt be fishing. Getting out in ya tub with the family should be the main reason. JMO
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i agree
its not about taking fish home for tea
its getting out there and having a good day
a feed is a bonus
i was just pointing out that you wouldnt want to go out 20 mile to get 1 fish 2 or 3 would be nice if you could.
i do agree with the bag limit being reduced and to the closure as something has to be done for the future,there is other species to fish for and have some fun weather C and R or take home ,enough for a couple of feeds
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GOATRUTAR
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A blackass of 35cm or a
Sorry mate I read it wrong!
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till
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I've got nothing against bag
I've got nothing against bag limit reduction reduction or sancturary zones but as Goat says closed season for some people and not others isn't right. I'd support a no-take period for spawning, but I'd like to see the pros get it as well.
As Andy points out in another thread, what the hell point is there in throwing back grey-bandeds over 1m?
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I think its one of those
I think its one of those good in theory, not in practice ideas. Releasing fish over 1m has benefits and thats probably what they are looking at, but not enough consideration to whether they can actually be released safely.
Idealism increases proportionally away from the problem.
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Tim
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1m
The 1m rule covers all cod and its just that Grey Band got caught up with the majority of the species that inhabit shallower water.
This is aready on the agenda to be looked at with the review that will now happen after the announcement by the minister this week. (Spoke to fisheries today).
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till
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For sure Tim it only
For sure Tim it only specifies cod which does cover a lot of different fish in a lot of different fisheries.
That said, my chances of pulling up a 1m grey banded on a saltist 30 are pretty lousy anyway!
harro
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either or none
really the maths add up, just alone on this site, but many others also,, sure as recs we are a little pissed we r told basically go squiiding or catch whiting, i respect the vulnerable 5, hell they r the most sought after, but like matt said, the liners get 60-80 plus per load, what the hell is a rec ban gonna do... NOTHING
THE BAN NEEDS TO BE FOR ALL. how many time and yes i have written and post this a few times , stoppin families from fishing is gonna do stuff all for these fish, we need to look at the proffessional catches currently allowed, cant remeber the numbers but someinthing like 250 tonnes.. and i know yes rec catches are up there also, but we as families etc accept that, sure i want my kids to catch a dhuie later on in life, but ban everyone..as we are all equal and have the same right.
diji
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I will fish when i can and when i want
As long as its with in the rules
Im sick of hearing all this bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everybody has different jobs and different circumstances
Odd/Even fishing days i see a problem it it does'nt suit anybody what about people who work away thats not equal
I fish once maybe twice in my swing off more often once deep,once shallow squid etc
Happy to a ban but ban the people who F#@ked this fisherie in the first place
hlokk
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For crayfishermen taking
For crayfishermen taking dhuies, I know they at least used to be able to do it, but I though just recently it was prohibited?
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Three Lions
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Not supporting them, but the
Not supporting them, but the pros are already banned from local waters are they not!!! If we can improve local waters with reduced bag limits all year round, then we (local fishos) would have it to ourselves. This talk about mine workers only getting limited chance to fish, everybody makes choices and working away for the big bucks has its down falls. You will never please everybody and thats the way it is, stiff shit.
GOATRUTAR
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"We will be told that
"We will be told that that a huge amount of licences have been taken from the metro zone but the truth is that most are these have been taken of Pro-cray fisherman not set and drop liners that take 60...70......80 dhuies in a hit plus by-catch and juvenile fish!"
Chris basically the majority of licences that have been taken are off Pro crayfisherman and the truth is they are the licences that are not being fully utilised anyway.
True it will have to make some sort of impact and some is better than none but have you ever seen a pro working the grounds out from Rocko and Woodies?(apart from the pro in the sound)
I have never seen one in 15 years and the reason is they don't bother down here because it has been smashed by them already!
It was in my opinion introduced so that the Government and fisheries could say well the Pro's copped it so now it is your turn!Which is added to our previous reduction which had already halved the dhuies from 4 down to 2 a few years earlier!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Three Lions
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Mat your 100% right about
Mat your 100% right about the ban being for everybody if there is going to be one. We also have to look at if the pros have not been fishing down here (local waters)for a long time has the fish stock improved? a full review is needed and then a decision can be made.
diji
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Working Away has its down falls
Dead right there
And my choice is as a (local fisho) reduce the bag limits only to people who dont work in the mines as they who work in mines have reduced there fishing time by 50% already no argument there.or stiff shit
Three Lions
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Limits
Jason, thats why we need tough bag limits. Mate I get one day a week of(sunday) and if its blowing its arse of I miss out, thats the way it is. Some people get more time of than others, you will upset people with any decision that is made. The point everybody has to remember is that it is in our best interest to look after the stocks.
GOATRUTAR
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Chris what are your thoughts
Chris what are your thoughts on the Pro being allowed to fish Lano North but the recs not?
Will this be in our best interests?
If infact if the fish stock is in such dire trouble why not impose a blankett ban like they did for the crabs in the sound!Wouldn't that be the true way to may sure that we have fish stocks in the future?
These are the things I do not understand and it is always a bandaid approach when we are told how serious the problem is!
The other issue that doesn't sit with me is the choice of the fish in the V-5 ban.
Why would you ban the catching of reds and even pinks?
The reds are in good numbers but they are found in deeper water and just dont get caught on a regular basis inside say 70m.But as has been written those in the know who fish the deeper waters never have any problem getting great size fish on a regular basis.The same goes for the pinks!
Hit up the deeper water and they are always there.
My opinion of why these species was introduced into the ban was to deter people from even bothering to head out because if you take those 5 fish out of a deep sea bag you simply arn't left with much of a worth while list to target!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
till
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Fisheries own numbers on the
Fisheries numbers on the pro deep water trawl ruby snapper take showed it was bombed too, the catch dropped to 10% of its original volume in just 10yrs.
ROCKPOM
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I think their a very old
I think their a very old fish like the Orange Roughy so their stocks can be depleted quickly if hit hard like the charter boats do in the begining of winter when they seem to school up in the 50-80 meter coral ground.
Lots of photos on the windows to prove it down at Dawesville boat ramp MB..
VAGABOND
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Last year the fisheries
Last year the fisheries where going around the state having discussions in different locations about the V4, I went to the one down in Mandurah and there was no mention of Red Snapper, it wasn't on any of the handouts or the posters they had hanging up they just had the V4, I agree I think Reds and Pinkies were just added to stop you from fishing the bottom they have such a wide depth range and are in good numbers, most fishos that I speak to up the coast can't understand the Pinks and the Reds being under threat. Most of the discussion at the meeting seemed to be about the Baldy and the Dhui.
diji
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I dont mind what they do
Chris but have research to back it up
if you read alot of my other posts i want the pro's banned as well, whatever needs to be done but you cant ban one group and let another carry on.
But this argument will go on for ever
Three Lions
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Im with you on the research
Im with you on the research mate, then we will see what happens. Fingers crossed
BQ544
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Money
A lot of the problem or concern with the goverments is that if they take away the right/licence of pro fisherman to fish they will have to compensate them. Same for Charters....
You can't take away the right of someone to earn money without compensation.
The Goverment should just bit the bullet and pay them all out and close the area to pros.
The number of new boats being registered each year is around 5000, not all will fish but it's still al ot of extra pressure.
Maybe the ecomomic slowdown will cause a ban on it's own!
Brad Anderson
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(You can't take away the
(You can't take away the right of someone to earn money without compensation.)
Really??????
luke
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yeh, agree, seems like a bit
yeh, agree, seems like a bit of double standards really, are we ( rec fisho's) going to be compensated because the pros are allowed to take something that is/was free for anybody to get, make millions of $ from it, and we get bans??? are we going to be compensated because the reason we bought a boat ( to fish anywhere we wanted..away from the crowds as such), is virtually rendered useless for the ban periods.... compensated for rego and licenceing fees for time boats and trailers are notbeing used...
at the end of the day, for longevity of the fish stocks, some form of bans/sanctuary zones are a given.....when, and i say when it happens, it should be for all pro's and recs.... if this was the case, i doubt there would ba as much outcry....afterall, when hunting in america for example...there are seasons... when cray fishing, there are seasons...when trout fishing there are seasons ( and licences to..) marron..seasons,, the list goes on....
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UncutTriggerInWA
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Good comments
I can't help but agree with you Luke. I do however remind you all of the crazy scenes at the opening of a duck hunting season or the Marron season in the SW. There is more damage done in the pandemonium than it's worth and policing those frenzied mobs must be quite difficult.
Short off-seasons I support as long as it applies to EVERYONE. Shit! Go try out your beach rods or go have some fun with fish other than V5. After all, that's why they sell so many variations of rods, reels and lines.......
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GOATRUTAR
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Great point Luke! I will
Great point Luke!
I will just add up what i have outlayed on fishing gear. Not to mention in the process created business opportunities for the people I have bought it off!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
luke
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lol..dont do it goat... the
lol..dont do it goat... the figures get down right scary!!! boat...serviceing/maintenance, fishing gear, bait, fuel, etc etc....
BQ544
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No different then guns....
They banned our guns and we all got compensated.....Remember gun buy back!
jersey
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On Radio
Yea,I heard the pro fisherman saying about the costs involved,but Ill bet he has one hell of a big ofset acount for his tax able income,Licensing fees,fuel,bait,repairs,and,I do not think any recreational fisherman can claim these costs,but I'm sure they also pay full tax on their income.No The crayfisherman should ONLY catch crays,and the wet linner guys catch fish,but not ask to double dip and catch both,(in the case of the pro crayfisherman)
diji
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Pro's
I cant beleive they have had free range for so long and then try and turn it around on us and winge?????
No Crays,Crabs,Scallops,Fish,Prawns But they all have a house in every fishing town.
Lets all say Sorry to the people that F#@%*ed our fisherie
D_DOUSH
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Jersey, us pro crayfisherman
Jersey, us pro crayfisherman can only catch crays mate, not alowd to have a single hook, sinker, swivel, rod, reel, handline on the boat, This got taken off us last season. so this has nothing to do with crayfisherman anymore. Their wetline licenses got taken off them with no compensation.
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GOATRUTAR
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D_Doush you have been or are
D_Doush you have been or are in the industry and I'm keen to know how many times you fished from the cray boat last season!
Was it for piss money like the boys I know like the occy normally is!
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Ryan Thipthorp
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for the right reasons!
My step bro has done wetlinning purely to keep the boat & house morgage going through the off season due to making jack shit like many cray guys have done in the last few seasons and i'm not talking "pot license owners". Due to making jack, both our crayboats have been sold!
I do agree, many crayboats were just using it as piss money even if they did well on crays. They're the ones complaining from what i've seen, they didnt fill in the correct info so their own fault!
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D_DOUSH
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Goat last year fished the
Goat last year fished the reds out of gero and then did the abrolohos season, didnt fish once, against the law. The season before at the abrolhos probally 5 times with the skippers wife and kids. Caught more fish out of my 12ft dinghy at the islands last year than i did out of the cray boat the first year.
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D_DOUSH
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But the stupid thing is that
But the stupid thing is that since they put the total ban on baldies up there (i know because thats the breeding area) we would go out and target the coral trout and dhuies. You go for a dive or snorkel at the abrolhols and you will see 50 baldies to every 1 coral trout. Fisheries just shifted the fishing effort to a species which in my own opion is much more suseptable to overfishing, due to the trout being very terrortial. How does that make sense??? Thank god they are reducing the possesion limit to 10kg at the islands.
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GOATRUTAR
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Sorry mate I was talking
Sorry mate I was talking about metro fishing!
I wasn't sure and thought you were locally doing it!
What I was trying to gauge was how much you Comm's were actually fishing after the cray day was done(or during).
From what you have said I feel it wasn't much!
My point being if the boys were not doing much that means they didn't lose much but as has been previously mentioned fish caught in pots should be able to be kept legally, as their chance of survival is minimal after being dragged up god knows how many fathoms via pot winch!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
D_DOUSH
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Totally agree with ya there
Totally agree with ya there goat, you see a snapper in a pot after being winched up from 65 fathom, not only does it have no scales on it but its pretty much f***ed from barotrauma, and all i do is throw it over the side and watch 3 10ft bronzies play keepy off each other, a waste in my book, let the boys keep it for dinner and then the temptation of throwing a line over the side will not be there, and i hqave seen a few boats throwing a quick line over the side when they know its illegal.
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luke
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i hqave seen a few boats
i hqave seen a few boats throwing a quick line over the side when they know its illegal.
that makes me puke!!! why doesnt it get reported then? or do we not dob in a fellow pro?? seriously, by them doing this, it makes a laughing stock of the law...shamefull
ps, i personally reckon they should be allowed to keep fish from pots as "personal catch"...nothing wrong with a few perks of the trade... but to deliberately fish with lines.... damn joke, and should loose their licences...
Wally
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Adam this comment is crap you know it
When i sink as many pro's as possible
I cant beleive they have had free range for so long and then try and turn it around on us and winge?????
No Crays,Crabs,Scallops,Fish,Prawns But they all have a house in every fishing town.
Lets all say Sorry to the people that F#@%*ed our fisherie
Diji, if you are gunna write crap like that, please have the balls to actually post ya real name underneath, i reckon my 3 year old son has bigger balls then you mate, grow up and read a bit. spare us the crapola mate, ever spent a day/ week on a commercail boat Diji, nah ya balls arent bigger enough. probably a river queen. stick to fishing for bream mate
what happens diji if you ever got into trouble on the briney, commercail boat comes over to help ya out, ( and they would be the first to come) what ya gunna tell them what ya said on here, i bet not.
good to see ya on here Doush, balance to this debate
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GOATRUTAR
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Quote "Diji, if you are
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"Diji, if you are gunna write crap "
Cmon Wal that would be the kettle calling the pot black mate .wouldn't it?
We know you are passionate, but by the comment you just made you are asking for nothing but a shit fight.
You are a no show for months and then come in for a cheap bullshit shot!
Diji aka Jason makes his boat accessable to members as deckys, and is as worried about the situation as much as anyone. Hardly hiding his identity!
There may have been a little bit of tongue and cheek there mate!
By the way my name isn't really Goatrutar its Matthew.
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Wally
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still no reason to say blow
still no reason to say blow all comercail fisherman out of the water. commercail fishing has and still is a main stay for many coastal towns across our whole state. hell some wouldnt even exsist mate if it wasnt for that industry.
the point is, commercail fishing isnt the problem, its the minister that is. fisheries can only do so much, the minister makes the finally yes or nah on how its managed. and that is a fact. fisheries cant change sh^t, the minister can so everyone dont blame fisheries that have to manage it on a shoe string budget, you want sumfin done vent ya spleen to the minister in numbers
Hope ya understand that mathew, and yes, it was meant to cause a sh^t stir because it was a shit comment from him. and not one that is good in this debate.
Wally
luke
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yep..agree goat...
yep..agree goat... especially over the "no show for months and come in for a cheap shot" comment...and further with the who has bigger balls. stuff.... nothing changes with you wally.....why can you not get it into your head, you would get a far better result if you didnt come across so high and mighty, preaching by slamming bricks in peoples faces and name calling etc....
how about some actual answer/input...and dont tell me to look for myself ( as i have done, and am doing), actually contribute something to either inform and back up your comments....or something to correct somebody else's thoughts.... may work wonders...........
.as for the pro's...i think most would agree...they have had it easy for far to long, and taken too much for far to long...not their fault, they were allowed too ..... but stuffed if i am going to pity the top dogs when it falls out from under them....just look at the cray situation...classic example of greed..now there is zero puerulus settlement occuring.................... pros fault..............nahhhhhh must be the recs...lol
GOATRUTAR
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Quote Wally "the point
Quote Wally
"the point is, commercail fishing isnt the problem"
HORSESHIT!
No and the pro crabbers haven't made a detrimental effect on the crab numbers either!
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D_DOUSH
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With this whole pro's
With this whole pro's situation, you guys need to just relise that if you had the chance to make money by working hard then you would. Dont go blaming the pro fisherman, hes just out the to make as much money as can. Blame the government and fisheries ministers over the last 40yrs that have allowed the pros to do what they have done. They are just fishing to the rules like every rec person. Its the government that has alowed the pros to do this. I work hard on the crayboats and i want to make as much money as i can, if i could of wetlined after work or doing the off season i would. However i wouldnt of been breaking the rules just as if some rec guy went out and bagged out on his demersals.
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luke
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said it above in my last
said it above in my last post.....
quote...
.as for the pro's...i think most would agree...they have had it easy for far to long, and taken too much for far to long...not their fault, they were allowed too ..... but stuffed if i am going to pity the top dogs when it falls out from under them....
GOATRUTAR
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D_Doush you are right mate
D_Doush you are right mate and as I have said previously if it was me I would do the same.
Sorry mate it isn't a pro-bash but a Govt/Fisheries bash!
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Wally
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Ok Luke you ask me a
Ok Luke you ask me a question i will answer it the best i can and direct ya too the info. but i aint gunna repeat myself over and over again, this topic has been done to death, we warned ya years ago. you thought i was a f*** head for saying so
here is a few pionters for all on fisheries management
1 you will never have data
2You will never have the research for that data
3Fisheries will never have the money for that REAL data
4 compliance will never happen because they have never got the money
5 Fisheries arent the problem its the government and the minister at the time
6 they fisheries knows what needs to happen, just they cant afford to implement it
7you seeing my piont here
the quicker everyone sees this, and you stop bagging RFW and get them to introduce a licence ( what they wanted to do 5years ago at least) and got slammed for it attached to compulsary log books so we can have OUR data to prove or not to prove, we will still fight this crap over and over again
Money is the key, our money that we can fight the fight, easy, nope the minister will say political suicide
are we all following here, or are our ears stuck on for decoration
there ya go
wally
ps a shit comment, deserves a shit comment back
D_DOUSH
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No worries goat just want
No worries goat just want people to see the other side.
One of the advantages of being a die hard rec fisho and a comerical fisho.
Deckhand and member of the Gotone Woodvale team
GOATRUTAR
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Fair call mate and to
Fair call mate and to re-read what I have written it does come across that way!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
GOATRUTAR
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So what you have just said
So what you have just said is that the bans that have"attempted" to be introduced have been submitted with no data or the incorrect data, so why should they have been introduced at all!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
harro
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Date Joined: 07/02/08
crabs for 1
i know for a fact , since the pros have stopped crabbing in geographe bay, crabs are back in plenty numbers.. we went a cple yrs with bugger all left..now families can enjoy this freedom, same as fishing, look at how many pros are being busted and thats just lately,
these bans have turned many pple against each other and created a shifight for all,
cray guys,pros and recos..
having a license and a big boat shouldnt mean that the bays/oceans /rivers can get pillaged..
what happens when a bay is cleaned out.. do they go to another bay and do the same..!!!
no offense intended here..
luke
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that is exactly what they do
that is exactly what they do harro!!! thats why the crays are stuffed...open slather down south..up north...why?? so it can be shipped overseas.....it all comes down to money!!! now the fisheriy is on path to colapse..what will they do?? go elsewhere, and flog that to death....
funny how suddenly there are crabs in cockburn sound and the river again....co-incidence??? nope...bans!!
luke
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lol...your all class
lol...your all class wally...
if you actually read more, you would see support on this site for a licence...support for log books, and even support for the bans ( but the bans need to be for all to be a true ban...yes or no??)...
i didnt think recfishwest actually introduced any laws wally
...they can advise fisheries though 
money is the key... and i dont think it is the lack of it ( well maybe for fisheries directly)... i think it is what they get ( the gov) that keeps things in the dark!!!!
if recfish and the fisheries were serious, they would hold a open meeting for anybody to attend, and have their chance to speak... will it happen...nope..to much money being divided between various factions...to much at stake....
Wally
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So what you have just said
So what you have just said is that the bans that have"attempted" to be introduced have been submitted with no data or the incorrect data, so why should they have been introduced at all!
interesting comment matty, its called the precautionary principle, or section 43, shut the f***a down, because they dont know, are working on what they do know, with little funds
understand the process . and you will find these answers. mate it is so complicated, no wonder why they just say shut it, its the easy option
what you want no take zones
corridoors that are shut off for life, cant fish these areas
One fact is, and a lot of recs cant fathom this is, increasing population, will create more fisherman, more fisherman. less fish, its happened all around the world, if ya wish to read you will find out. sadly, we are dealing with slow growing fish, that doesnt spawn all that well
we cant keep doing what we are, blame who ya wish, but there is a problem and thats the issue
Wally
D_DOUSH
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Exactly Harro as long as
Exactly Harro as long as people understand its the government that has allowed for this to happen! Ban crayfishing fullstop for 2 yrs and let them rejuvenate even still bring in quotas ( how long has that been in the pipeline?), the government are too scared to get off this backsides and do something about it in fear of voter backlash.
Deckhand and member of the Gotone Woodvale team
luke
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$$$$$$$ thats all it is
$$$$$$$ thats all it is about.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
luke
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there you go...that was
there you go...that was a well put post wally.
yep, blame EVERBODY.... if there are bans... BAN EVERYBODY!!!
corridoors/no take zones...personally like the idea...
one thing though...give people a bit more credit..... most people here agree with the last proposals in principle.... most people here agree with the new regs.... most people disagree with the bans if they are not for everybody....
harro
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Date Joined: 07/02/08
too true
... excatly.. sure pple were shocked to hear a closure for fishing, down south here we don,t get mackies,dollys, and a lot of other fish, but pple were understanding the fact that we need to look after these fish if we are going to keep fishing/eating them,
but what the hell is the point if the charters/pros can still take ...
its not about being unfair, its about being realistic..
yeah yeah i know its the "job" but you guys(pros)-(charter ops) won,t have a job at all once the fish are gone..
sure the price may go up to compensate for smaller seasons .. hell,, inflation is life,,
but at least we all get to fish..working,recreational, charter or whatever..
we spawn alot more than the v5 fish, so we totally out number them..
so if facts prove these fish are in danger of becoming extint we (ALL) NEED TO DO SOMETHING..
cheers harro..
carnarvonite
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Another side to it!!!
Where do all the people who love or need to eat fish get there feed from??Imported shit like you buy down on the waterfront in Freo?It has to come from somewhere and someone has to catch it.A lot of people don't or cannot go and catch a feed ,be it the old,the infirm or even the insane it has to come from somewhere and a lot of wingers say its ok but go to someone else's paddock to get it,as long as its not from my spot
Have a look at the menu next time you go out for a feed and don't tell me you would like to see basa/nile perch or imported aquaculture prawns grown in the sewers of Asia there instead of prime local fish.I know what I order and its not the garbage.
luke
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i think you will find that
i think you will find that wa imports 3-4 times or more than it exports ( EXCEPT CRAYS!!).... so most times...they are probably eating the imported stuff...
edit... aquaculture is something australia is way way behind on compared to the rest of the world... and is definately the future imo...
harro
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not saying
sure that would happen if we wernt allowed to fish at all..canarvonite..., but i cant see that happening if closures happen during spawning ,(which is what this is all about..)another point is..
the depth they are allowed to fish.. the the metro 250m contour,prob works well for all..
the pros still get fish and the recs still get fish..
down here there is no limit,,
sure crab bans r in the bay now and salmon bans r in the bay next yr, why??
because of this reason......
its all being cleaned out..
and if we are doing it for export wtf!!!!
like salmon most of it is catfood,
hell why dont we open the ab season all yr round, clean that out as well..
these r being introduced for a reason, recs have adjusted and understood,
so why do i see pro guys getting agro about this...
no offense to anyone..
the government is seperating the fishing communities , and i think they realized when they deferred this ban,
i will look forward to new rules set.. for all....
GOATRUTAR
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Canarvonite that is exactly
Canarvonite that is exactly what we are eating at the moment in restuarants and fish-n-chip shops!Imported crap!So it wouldn't make much difference!
Like with the crays,the reason they are so expensive is because of the export market!When that market goes to shit the bottom drops out of the price and like what happened a couple of years ago the price was about 7.99 aroud Xmas.
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Wally
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Date Joined: 13/09/06
if you actually read more,
if you actually read more, you would see support on this site for a licence...support for log books, and even support for the bans ( but the bans need to be for all to be a true ban...yes or no??)..
5 Years ago luke what were you doing for fisheries mangement thats not a dig.
RFW new if we had the money from a licience they could do some really great stuff for rec fishing, including data from the recs, see what i am saying, you and others on here support that shit now. but 5 years ago, you should of heard the crap, do a search on wangler ol blue forum, fark me, reckon the comments on there from a few people are now eating their words
as for the commercails taking fish when we cant, i aint got a problem with that because the true wetliners can fish now, they are very stricted and service the market. I understand the wetline review, many dont. its the biggest win recs have ever had , if you or any one else cant grasp this, not my problem. but what ever ya do dont loose one of our biggest wins besides the wetline review and allow the pros to fish the metro again, that would be sad. dont comment on the sound guy thats getting sorted, trust me, and was a loop hole that will be fixed
wally
deepwater
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Good point Carnarvonite...
Good point Carnarvonite... at the end of the day i will definately pay more for my fish if its local. With all the new restrictions where is the fish coming from???? Overseas...No thankyou
Jeff
just when you think you have gone deep enough go deeper
carnarvonite
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Date Joined: 24/07/07
Salmon ???
Harro,your comment about lack of salmon in geo bay,to my knowledge from experience as an amateur and working as a pro on a salmon team and to rub salt in as a skipper of a shark boat down there,taking the reel off and wetlining in the off season ,there hsa been more salmon in the last 10 years regularly from when I did my first season at Eagle Bay in 68.Fisheries stats will back that up and the pros were sending it for cray bait,because it is too expensive to ice it down to 14 degrees to truck to the closest and only cannery in Albany They only take as much as they can handle on their own.Now I think there are 2 x teams working from Quindalup and 2 from Bunbury on salmon left,the rest have been sold back to fisheries
Faulkner Family
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