For those Opposed to the culling of Great Whites and other large sharks
For those Opposed to the culling of Great Whites and other large sharks.
Thought I would start a thread for all those who are opposed to the WA government announcement to cull Great Whites and other large sharks that venture into the Shark Kill Zones or 'Marine Monitored Areas'.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you are not opposed to the cull and support the cull PLEASE direct your comments to the other threads which are overflowing with support for the cull.
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/new-measures-combat-wa-shark-risks
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/shark-culling
I would like this to be a thread where those who are opposed to the cull can talk and discuss the issue in a positive way of what can be done to oppose the cull or reverse the decision. Not just become another rant and berating fest.
For those who do support the cull I respect your views and your opinions and understand you are equally passionate about the cull happening as I am against it. Hence why I have steered clear of posting anything on the other two threads, or getting into arguments or name calling. You have the right to voice your view and I respect that. I ask that you please respect those of us who do oppose it and let us discuss it in our way.
For those of you who do oppose it, there is a lot of action already taking place. A lot through online petitions, online letters to politicians, rallies planned etc. A lot of it has been through Facebook so you'll have to excuse that for all those who don't use Facebook. But I will post up as many links as I can with information relating to the opposition to the cull.
Thankyou to all.
Just for the record, I am against an indiscriminate cull, but am not against the destruction of a 100% identified shark responsible for a fatality.
And yes I have had a family member taken by a Great White. David in Hopetoun in 1995. I fish, I snorkel, I spearfish, I Scuba dive recreationally and for work, I bodyboard, I try to surf and I like swimming in the ocean.
Buz
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For those on Facebook here is
For those on Facebook here is one page with a lot of info and action
https://www.facebook.com/supportoursharks
and
https://www.facebook.com/noWAsharkcull around +61000 support so far
Buz
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Outside of Facebook here are
Outside of Facebook here are some links
http://supportoursharks.com/en/Conservation/SOS_Campaigns/Stop_The_Cull.htm
Petition for the Federal Senate
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-australian-senate-prevent-proactive-killing-of-white-sharks-in-australia-2
Buz
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On the same day they announce
On the same day they announce the cull for our largest predatory shark;
http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/pages/StatementDetails.aspx?listName=StatementsBarnett&StatId=8023
they announce our largest shark(Whale Shark) is our new Marine Animal emblem.
http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/pages/StatementDetails.aspx?listName=StatementsBarnett&StatId=8021
Kind of ironic.
chris raff
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No one's opposed to you
No one's opposed to you posting on the other threads.. we're on a public forum , maybe best if you start your own website then you can make the rules .
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Buz
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Hi Chris. I know no one is
Hi Chris. I know no one is opposed to me posting on the other threads. Just when there are a lot of moronic comments thrown back and forth, both for and against, and when people start making it personal I don't see how it becomes a productive discussion. So hence I thought a thread where those that are opposed to it can discuss it without being beratted by those who do support it, seeing the other threads have been overwhelmingly taken over by those who do support it.
No need to start my own website, the rules here are good enough been on here long enough to know that, and that the site admins generally do a great job of keeping things inline before they get too out of hand. If you do wish to decend into snide remarks, like I said there is the other two threads, or even another fishing forum that accepts all forms of profanities. I could send the link for that site if you would like?
chris raff
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Well your dictating that only
Well your dictating that only people whom agree with your opinion is allowed to post on your thread .. it's not my house so it's not my call . No snide remarks or profanities on my behalf somewhat instigative , not sure why you'd make that insinuation . Good luck with your recruitment .
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Buz
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Sorry Chris didn't mean
Sorry Chris didn't mean insinuate 'you' made a snide remark. My apologies. I meant to say that I wanted to just be able to let people who do oppose it discuss what they can do to help, without the fear of being berated, bullied, or have personal attacks pushed onto them. And also to get some informations about what is happening in regards to opposing it. Not saying or 'dictating' those who are for the cull CAN'T post on here, that's not for me to decide. Was just asking if they would be so kind as to please keep this thread for those who are opposed to it.
I am more than happy for those who support it to have their thread where they can post things they can do to help make sure that the cull does go ahead unhindered. That's their choice.
Not so much recruitment, people out there are either for it or against it, or don't know/care and will probably maintain that view regardless. This is for those who are opposed to it to get info and talk.
Happy days anyway Chris. Ban will soon be over and we can get back to talking about more pressing matters, like who's getting the biggest ones! :-)
Syked
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Buz,just my opinion but most
Buz,
just my opinion but most of the berating, bulling and personal attacked seam to come for a select few that are against the cull. Have a read thru the other posts??
oh yeah fully support Troy B decision to kill specific sharks that frequent populated beachs. Let stop using the word cull eh? Because clearly it's not that.
syked
TorquenFish
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That's a laugh!
That's a laugh!
axey45
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I can feel an auroua around
I can feel an auroua around u, its someone with the letter s i think, thats just what it started sounding like. Im not very bright but i can still hold me beer while i type. but that was re buz.
damo6230
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Your on fire Chris
In case you didn't know it's a democracy
Short term memory loss?
This is what the other half want
axey45
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Here Here,
Here Here,
new age
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cheers for the thread buz
cheers for the thread buz
MandurahMatt
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Asking for trouble makers I
Asking for trouble makers I recon lol
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barcelona125
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just saying what did the
just saying what did the government work so hard for over the last two decades to protect great white sharks
they were being hunted and their numbers became very low.
just imagine if we start culling the sharks, it wont stop also the only reason why there are more shark attacks is that more people are in the water
people are finding more sharks because they are looking for them now
i just want to know why so many people who i would have thought knew about the importance of having large sharks in the ecosystem want to get rid of them. imagine the outcomes if we do get rid of the sharks
Swompa
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Where has the word Cull come
Where has the word Cull come from? People just getting sandy faginas.
What about all the horses, goats, kangaroos, koalas ect that get culled each year?
All hype.
Syked
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Agree, there is quite a
Agree, there is quite a large difference between killing specific sharks and culling them as a whole....
all to cause public outcry......
all for the killing of GW that frequent populated beachs.... Can I say that here?
syked
Swompa
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I agree.
I agree.
tim-o
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Think we need to cull the
Think we need to cull the human race, there's too many already! Then start a qualify to breed program lol.
In regards to whites, can someone tell me at what size (age) they become sexually mature and breed, does it vary much between the males and females?
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Buz
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Think there is plenty of
Think there is plenty of Human 'culling' going on around the world as it is. Probably population control through birth conrtol be better. Slower process but better, in the short term until there is a huge aged population. But that's a whole other issue, on a global scale.
I think I reproductive licence for humans would be a good idea I theory, seem to remember Starship Troopers movie, only citizens could have babies, and you were only a citizen if you had served in the armed forces.
Not to sure on exact figures for what size/age they become sexually mature, but form what I have anecdotally read Great Whites that would have been born in the year they became protected would be a sexually mature age/size now. Pretty sure the Males mature younger/smaller than the females.
uncle
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I saw somewhere the females
need to be 5 metres
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Bodie
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Looked into this a little
Looked into this a little while ago,
Great whites reach sexual maturity at about 15 years of age. Males will be about 3-3.5m long, and females about 4-4.5m long. They are known to live for more than 30 years.
Interesting fact is they are known to give birth in the spring and summer months? Could this co-inside with timings of shark attacks?
tim-o
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Well the govt is guna be goin
Well the govt is guna be goin at it the right way if they want to reduce numbers if the knockem on the head before they get to breed
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saltatrix
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All paid bureaucrats getting kickbacks to kick up a stink
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petermac
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diving this weekend
I will be diving this weekend if I get harassed by a GWS I wont hesitate I will blast it with a smokie , sorry but that's how I feel
Buz
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If you have a smokie and a
If you have a smokie and a Great White is about to attack you I dont see a problem defending yourself with it. Hopefully that day never comes for you. Be a nerve racking experience either way. Good luck with the dive and hope you get some Crays :-)
Syked
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Peter, I think you can use
Peter, I think you can use your smokie as long as you say " it's coming straight for us" thru your regs first. Ha old South Park.
syked
Walfootrot
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Dont forget the safety pin
Dont forget the safety pin and the safety on the gun, aim, shoot and dont miss!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Samo76
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Good luck with that mate,
Good luck with that mate, check this shit out one smokey shots gonna do fuck all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HOjCZ3ArbY
Here I am...and there you are.
opsrey
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Classic.
So am I to guess the blokes in wet suites were fisheries officers? Seems the fishos did not realise how valuable that shark was to the world.
damo6230
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And fair play if he takes you
Mano to mano
petermac
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exactly
you got it right
scotto
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this is a fantastic idea Buz,
And I for one cant wait for the first 4m+ great white to be shot in the head with a 12-guage and strung up on the gantry down in freo for all to see and then put in the papers and on all the news programs and also on the internet, to really send a message to all the other sharks that Collin Barnett means bizniz biatchez!
or am I doing it wrong?..
crezz
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I recon if your in the water
I recon if your in the water and get taken then its fair play! same as if your out the bush and get bitten by a snake, fair play! that's where these animals live so the responsibility is on you to decide if its safe to venture into their world or not. we don't own these animals so what gives us the rite to decide weather they live or die? more people get murdered buy other people in one day than people get killed by sharks in a year and they don't get "culled" because of it. even murderers get given a second chance!
Walfootrot
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Ok so you dont want people to
Ok so you dont want people to comment on this post if they are supporters for the removal of sharks greater than 3m.
good luck with that, thought this was a fishing site, open to one and all to comment on any post they wish too.
There are plenty of sites that are for the protection of sharks, feel free to join one if you dont like having you views challenged, Hell this site is so great that you can even post the links to the shark protection sites!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
timboon
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I liked Roaring Boners
I liked Roaring Boners suggestion of catching them but muzzling them...
They will evolve and turn into plankton suckers...
Or I guess we could scientifically turn them into Gummy sharks... Inject them with a tooth removal chemical and turn them into big old dosile Gummy`s, I mean sure they`d bruise and ding my board but I can live with that...
timboon
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Fuck they could take cage
Fuck they could take cage diving to a whole new level with 25ft Gummy/Whites... Punters could see how far inside their jaws they could get their cameras....
Durrisbeast
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Good intentions Buz
and I share your position on this issue, however, this is a fishing discussion forum and you are talking about 'not fishing', that is a concept too complex for most on this website to understand.
Sulo
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It is a fish with fins and
It is a fish with fins and gills why the massive differentiation, nearly all on here would be happy to take a fish that is older than they are and or bigger. Commercial fishing practices right along our coast have changed a lot in the last 20 years and the take of shark has decreased very significantly, by both recs and commercial fishers and this is now very evident right along our coast and I do not think there would be many that would argue with that.
Once upon a time you could go to a fish and chip shop and order fish and chips and you would get WA shark and chips, now it if you ask for fish and chips you will get Basa and chips. I am not for a cull but I believe everyone has their tipping point at when they think action should be taken. There are certainly more sharks now than in the last 30 odd years, so where is the point that we have to reach before sharks can be caught sustainably by both recs and commercials, like all of the other fisheries in this state. Our fisheries managers are some of the best in the world. They should be the ones driving this forward and putting into place new shark fisheries.
Years ago if any rec caught a shark, it was a no brainer, it was going home and would get turned into fillets, now it is very rare to hear of any rec keeping a shark for the freezer. Surprising when you consider it freezes better than just about any other fish.
In no way should we be allowing demersal gill nets back into shark fisheries anywhere, but there are plenty of other methods that can have little to no effect on by catch such as the demersals we are trying to nurture at the present time.
More shark less bassa.
A fish is a fish it should be treated it as such.
D_d_001
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well I think the "shark and
well I think the "shark and chips" you would get at the F&C shop in the majority would have been gummy: a very specific table fish (table shark). you can still buy bronze W in a lot of shops but really the talk is about the cull of big sharks. none of which is healthy to eat and could not be sold commercially anyway.
dr_nasty
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I am definitely opposed to
I am definitely opposed to the cull, especially in the nature it will be implemented. Allowing shark fisherman to selectively kill sharks over 3 m is ludicrous. In effect, species not responsible for any deaths can be killed on the judgement of a man! With our growing population shark related incidents are always going to rise. The government is confused to kill or not to kill? Great Whites are protected, but now they choose to cull. The approach to GWs is extremist from both ends of the scale (protect or cull) and could and likely will affect the numbers of other shark species.
Let that reel scream!
Jim
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Few snide remarks from the
Few snide remarks from the 'anticull' crew already.
Bend over
damo6230
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alternative
yet to see any pro-culler come up with tangible alternatives based on sound logic and science other than to simply 'kill'?
its got nothing to do with snide remarks; however if people fling some mud expect to get it back
you certainly haven't provided any depth to the argument
terboz123
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man up princess.....
harden up princess....
its just a differnce of opinion or negating a shotgun comment.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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GCGFC memberflexn
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@Buz - Why is it okay to kill
@Buz - Why is it okay to kill a shark that has attacked someone, but not okay to kill one that has the potential to kill someone? Why not try prevent it from happening?
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opinions
I can see where this one is going to head. I ask everyone to keep civil and respect each others opinions and keep the debate reasonable please.
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Aaron Santos
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HAHA these threads crack me
HAHA these threads crack me up.
Buz your just fishing again like the rest of the posts that have been put up about sharks. agree or disagree with knocking a few sharks off, it wont make a difference arguing about it on this forum.
If your against this, how about start a constructive forum about possible ways to reduce attacks, if your for it start a thread about what tackle and rigs you will need to hook these beasts of fish.
otherwise time to grab a packet of samboys and sit back and watch. I know where this thread is headed.
Maybe time to put a ban on all shark kill/keep threads Adam. they're getting to predictable and repetitive. Lets talk fishing, 5 days and the dermasal cull starts again. spewing I fly back to work sunday.
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Walfootrot
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Best bait is baby seals, club
Best bait is baby seals, club them or throw net if your using them as live bait ( you can get them down PP way ), big live bait hook. 100m ex cray rope and 10 big cray floats. think you know the rest
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
crasny1
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Correct me if I am wrong
But its NOT a cull!!
And where has that term come from. It is a targetted removal. Buzz I am totally with you - Anti-cull. So I have my wish.
But for some reason this word has snuck out and become a catch-phrase, probably driven by the media (again) and dictionary meaning.
I am sure this is posted previous or somewhere else:
Premier Colin Barnett and Fisheries Minister Troy Buswell today announced new measures to address public safety and help mitigate the risk sharks pose to water users.
These include:
I do suspect that the word cull has crept in because of the dictionary meaning:
cullSo I am Anti-cull in belief and Pro-cull for this situation. Even I am confusing myself!!!
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D_d_001
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I suspect that the word
I suspect that the word "cull" has been intentionally left out of the Barnett/ Buswell statement for political reasons.
I think there would be potential for a pretty big political backlash (even internationally) if the govt. announced a "cull" on a protected species.
Walfootrot
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But its not a cull, so why
But its not a cull, so why call it a cull?
Its not aimed at reducing the number of sharks, its about removing sharks from 2 areas for the safety of humans.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
D_d_001
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not a cull? localised
not a cull?
localised cull?
semantics
just making a point
bushbeaver
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Baby seals? No, rather troll
Baby seals? No, rather troll some live pollies- they should make brilliant surface lures for GW's..... May even be able to get a decent TV documentary out of it, complete with Sir David Attenborough giving commentary when the shark takes the "lure".
Personally I don't think culling will work- unless you kill all the sharks in the ocean, which is clearly neither practical nor desirable.
It may be time for both govt. and the public to start investing more in research to determine the reasons why attacks have increased, and in projects like this one done at UWA- the idea being to develop practical and effective shark repellent systems http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/shark-repellents-may-not-work-on-most-deadly-research-20120424-1xizd.html Once satisfactory technology exists, make it the onus of every surf user to protect him/herself, or alternatively accept the risk of becoming fish food.
Walfootrot
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I have done some reseach too,
I have done some reseach too, and found that a smokie repellent work the best, and they dont come back!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Buz
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Sharon Burden, mother of
Sharon Burden, mother of shark attack victim Kyle Burden who was taken by a Great White at Bunker Bay in 2011 speaks about her view on the killing of Great Whites and other large sharks that enter the marine monitored areas.
http://mobile.news.com.au/national/western-australia/shark-victims-mum-sharon-burden-opposed-to-baittokill-policy/story-fnii5thn-1226781596050
D_d_001
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Interesting quick read. this
Interesting quick read.
this taken straight off Wikipedia, don't know how true it is but interesting the same.
"Natural threats
Interspecific competition between the great white shark and the orca is probable in regions where dietary preferences of both species may overlap.[45] An incident was documented on 4 October 1997, in the Farallon Islands off California in the United States. An estimated 4.7–5.3-metre (15.4–17.4 ft) female orca immobilized an estimated 3–4-metre (9.8–13.1 ft) great white shark.[56] The orca held the shark upside down to induce tonic immobility and kept the shark still for fifteen minutes, causing it to suffocate and then proceeded to eat the dead shark's liver.[45][56][57] It is believed that the scent of the slain shark's carcass caused all the great whites in the region to flee, forfeiting an opportunity for a great seasonal feed.[58] Another similar attack apparently occurred there in 2000, but its outcome is not clear.[59] After both attacks, the local population of about 100 great whites vanished.[57][59] Following the 2000 incident, a great white with a satellite tag was found to have immediately submerged to a depth of 500 m (1,600 ft) and swum to Hawaii.[59]"
crasny1
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So it might be easy then
Catch one GW, Keep it upside down until it dies, then cut it open and slash the liver. The scent will then cause all the GW in local water to bugger off.
So it might only need 1!!!
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straith
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Cull the other threats to society first!
Hey Im all for instant eradication of anything that gets in my goddam way. As a human its my right to instantly use genocide as a response to any organism or even structure that has the cheek to sting, bite, infect, nock or even scare me!
I just want the opportunity to take out my reflexive anger on the real threats in society such as: politicians, drunk drivers, pedophiles and extremist religious nuts that blow up people in the name of god!
Lock n load people! :-)
Oh yeah almost forgot,
Some nice sandwhiting off hillarys atm.....
Buz
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An interesting write up with
An interesting write up with some interesting information and hypothesis of Sharks Attacks corelatting with migrating whale numbers increasing. Theorizes that more attack aren't due to more humans being in the water so more chance of interaction/attacks, but a trend of more interactions and attacks coinciding with more whales migrating along our coast.
http://www.washarkattacks.net/swimming-deaths.php
gibbs
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I though common sense would
I though common sense would let everyone think that without reading an article?
gibbs
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Kill the whales!
We need to wind the clock back, open up the Albany whaling station and start lowering there numbers. Knife the whites at the end of ramp! The old timers kept number of whites down by keeping the food source down and smoking the Whites that would hang around the station feeding on scraps. Reopen the industry, create jobs, save lives or we can continue calling the whales a "tourist attraction" and watch the local divers and swimmers have their lives taken.
chris raff
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That would be about as
That would be about as popular as a snagger at vegan dinner party ..
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MetroMako
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errr
when it comes down to it no sharks life is worth a humans,this is our world.
Simoski44
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I will try and bring this
I will try and bring this thread back on track to where you wanted it to go Buzz, I still can’t believe there is so much debate on the main reason we are seeing an increase in interactions and attacks it’s pretty clear to anyone who spends time on the water that we are teaching sharks to come to boats and in the case of Great Whites that humans are now on the menu, when you burley up sharks and attract them to boats using fish and tuna scraps, naturally when they see a human in a cage they will assume we are going to taste like the smell that’s in the water, and as we know some of these sharks migrate from here to Africa so it doesn’t matter whether the cage diving occurs 100miles out to sea or not they are still going to remember these interactions.
Just look at what has happened in our own back yard with the Sambo fishery, there are a few mindless fisherman that in the early days continued to fish once the sharks had moved in and over time now they have learnt that boats = an easy meal , hell in Exmouth they just sometime follow you around now.
I know there are probably lots of other factors in play but i still believe this is the main reason, as for Culling them the eco system needs to be kept in balance we all know this so if we are taking out fish stocks but not sharks then we are not adhering to this so yes I’m sure there numbers may need to be thinned out but again we would need more research data to indicate where the imbalances are occurring.
As for deterrents i think the tagging and monitoring program could help prevent some interactions but again if we are burling these sharks up and attracting to boats we are just contributing to the problem the smartest thing we could all do is move to another location as soon as sharks come around the boat and possibly look into a boat mounted manually operated electrical shark repellent that at least teaches them that boats don’t = good times.
MetroMako
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shark lover
sounds like another greenie that thinks hes knows how a shark thinks.
little johnny
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funny thing this
my youngest daughter doesnt want sharks hurt ,(i value her reasons very much) entering there ground .1 point i gave my daughter while at home or walking our dogs ,someone tries to attack her, dogs bites ,who gets hurt or put down ,her answer the dog ?her reply you have a point there dad.but still i really respect my daughters opionion.and i will never try change her opionion .thats why this can never be solved .my feelings on matter .i would love a set of white jaws ,but i still like them
Buz
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Mandurah Mail newspaper
Mandurah Mail newspaper survey.
Probably not the most widespread newspaper but still can provide a snapshot of community views on the issue both For and Against.
http://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/1970963/poll-what-should-we-do-about-sharks/
MattMiller
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LOL,
credible?
Add up the response percentages.....
Buz
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Its because you can chose
Its because you can chose mutiple responses.
MattMiller
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Righto,
for those who can't make their minds up I guess.
Only problem is there isn't a 'Selective Cull' option
Buz
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Also maybe for those who
Also maybe for those who agree with multiple options. Eg one may agree with drum lines but also may want there still to be warnings about sightings given out.
gibbs
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No shoot on sight or create
No shoot on sight or create a GW sport fishing season option? Or the bleeding hearts favourite KILL THE WHALES! lol
axey45
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Well, just take it yo own
Well, just take it in yo own hands then if ya must. pilgrum.
brendo83
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Slightly off topic
Just a little thought on the governments new plan to kill the sharks. Now i have to say that im for reducing numbers but How much is this going to cost us tax payers to have commercial fishos on the water full time running drum lines and catching and killing big sharks within a certain distance from the shore. I would imagine that it will be a very expensive exercise as we all know to costs involved in running a large boat let alone the gear involved in this sort of fishing. Now i def dont claim to be the smartest bloke around but wouldnt it be alot more cost effective to allow rec fisherman/commercial fisherman to target these beasts at there own expense, maybe even generate revenue through licensing,charters,tourism exc... That way it wouldnt cost the taxpayer any thing and would have the same effect, maybe put a yearly bag limit per license or something. Then they could use the money generated for more research into possible other means of making our waters safer. One thing i have noticed is that these poli's dont mind splashing our cash around on the most expensive way of getting something done or they are just very stupid for well educated people which is ONE thing i think we can all agree on!
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Howard George
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What you're saying has credit brendo83
Imagine sport fishing for Great Whites and you have to pay for each one caught. Trophy, a set of jaws to hang on the wall and the carcass gets donated towards research.Gee, wouldn't they go hard.
MattMiller
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I've been told
that it's somewhere in the vicinity of 60k per month.
They have to cover what the pros would 'normally' be earning.
brendo83
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Also doesnt having baited
Also doesnt having baited drumlines off our swimming beaches put us at risk of more sharks coming in close to shore skipping the old bait on drumline to go for the live seal lookalike surfer in a black wetsuit?
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hooty
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I would of thought that with
I would of thought that with the tons of bait used by pro cray boats and rec boats along our coastline, some baited drumlines probably wont make a big difference. Very similar line of thought as "shark attacks have increased because of W.A,s population growth". Our population has not increased 500% in ten years and most the other states have much higher populations and growth with less shark incidents. After hearing these comments from some of the so called scientific specialists, Im left puzzled at best.
crasny1
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+1
I dont think for one moment that a population increase in WA = reasons for more attacks.
Always have said either more sharks, but especially a shark or shaks have learned humans are an easy target. Hence the increase here and nowhere else. The rates of attacks have not increased in other areas where they are protected, and their numbers then should have increased there aswell. There is something odd here in WA!!!
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sea-kem
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There just is and never will
There just is and never will be an easy answer to this. Cull the sharks? No one actually knows the true numbers out there, so you could potentially knock too many of them off and have a detrimental effect on the eco system. Don't cull? Then the masses won't be appeased and the big potential for attacks remains. I reckon the gov response is fairly measured but I reckon it should be done more widespread. Thing is how long does it go on for? My opinion is for the long term at the moment until proper money is sunk into research to find the real reasons more whites sharks are preying nearer the shore (not speculation). My wife is a union organiser that represents the fisheries and research guys. They get paid stuff all but they love the job they do, so the gov should resource and pay them better.
Love the West!
chris raff
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How do you fair debating
“Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”
sea-kem
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Ha ha no chance in hell mate
Ha ha no chance in hell mate when up against a professional.
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Earth Cruiser
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Drum lines
Drum lines hey?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZlqqItbbxns
hooty
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And your point ?. That some
And your point ?. That some how a drumline with a shark attached to it made another shark move into the area in the first place. Last time I looked at proven statistics ( normally used in evidenced based statements and science ), Qld has had a lot less shark attacks than W.A and they have drum lines all along the coast.
Thats the same sort of scientific shite, as "you have more chance of getting killed by a cocconut than a shark attack". I do not believe anyone has been killed by a cocconut in W.A this year.
You can also throw in statements by activists like "my 3 year old daughter would cry if Brutis was killed" I suggest that box head show her pictures of a shark attack victim, or even better feed himself to Brutis and see how long she cry,s then. Plenty of people are willing to be convinced that science has the answer, but dont feed us bullshit, most people can smell it a mile away.
Earth Cruiser
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No point hooty. I just posted
No point hooty.
I just posted a video.
Don't quite see where the 'bullshit' is...
hooty
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Apollogies mate if my
Apollogies mate if my interpretation of your post was wrong.
As for the bullshit there does seem to be a lot of scare mongering going on by certain groups that these lines will make our beaches less safe because it attracts sharks.
Cheers