The real danger of drum lines?
Alright,
Not another drum line thread I promise, but there is some relation to it. I don't know about you, but I'm thinking the scary thing about the drum lines is the amount of support it is bringing up for the greens and these fringe minority enviro groups that are anti everything. I've been reading a bit of stuff on facebook and other discussion websites and its really scary how many people have come out of the woodwork to support any environmental principle thats somewhat related to the water. The concerning thing is how they aren't just focusing on sharks, but fishermen and marine parks and anything that could pose damage to the environment, regardless of the fact of it being well managed. I have no issues with enviro conservation, my concerns are how they are implemented, managed and the science that goes into deciding where they are placed.
I guess what I'm saying is, its got the potential to turn some of these minorities into small to medium players in the political arena (where it counts these days), whilst I don't think they're there just yet, this has the potential to have significant impacts on us as fisho's going into the future.. What do you think?
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Anthony Hall 87
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Could't agree more Adam, some
Could't agree more Adam, some people seem very willing to jump on the bandwagon with environmental issue's these days. Hopefully it doesn't impact out recreational fishing, I am fully supportive of the bans we have had and I reckon it has made a noticable difference to demersal stocks in the metro area.
We saw how many people jumped on the Kevin 07 bandwagon just for change, It woulddn't suprise me to see it again in the slightest.
Tight lines to all :)
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/West-Australians-for-Shark-Conservation-WASC/138762386211049
Check out these guys. Some of the sensationalist stuff posted up there is amazing, and the support for them is growing very fast. Old Col will be squirming.
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beau
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Well said Adam I realised the
Well said Adam I realised the same just last week and have bringing it up to my fisherman friends on facebook that are anti-cull.
Greens sitting back laughing all the way to the next election.
Scary.
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Very scary ... after years of
Very scary ... after years of experience they are now a worldwide colossal social media machine and have certainly become very adept at manipulating and swaying general public opinion . This drumline business is the thin edge of the wedge if they get their way ..
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It Seems some people have
It Seems some people have very short memories doesnt it !!!
petermac
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perhaps
perhaps Barnett could save face by awarding the catch contract to serco that way all the sharks could get of the hook and escape
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Ha ha ha that's actually
Ha ha ha that's actually quite funny Peter.
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Gold!
Gold!
Tight lines to all :)
pale ale
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I don't personally care
I don't personally care either way. If they kill a few sharks, it is not the end of the ecosystem.
However, anything the bloody Greenies support must be wrong!!! They are a burden to our fine country!
Howard George
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Bad Timing.
The shark kill debate couldn't have come at a worse time for the federal Liberal Government. The federal senate still hasn't been decided here in WA with the first outcome declaring palmer party and a minor party getting through to the senate and the recount resulting in the Greens and Labor getting in because of missing votes. If we go to a new election and with the greens profile being lifted which would result in more votes and haven't they jumped on the bandwagon and made the most of their opportunities with Christine Milne addressing the crowds, the greens would have to be licking their lips at their good fortune because of the WA state liberal govt. I could never understand Greg Hunt giving Federal approval without going through a full environmental assessment First. It just gives every-ones enemy, the greens extra leverage. Puzzling.
grantarctic1
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Exactly
Exactly what ive been saying to my family and friends. We just got rid of a lot of these greens and now they are gathering momentum because of the shark cull.
I think Barnett was not very popular for other reasons and now so many people i talk to wan't him gone over this issue.
Tim
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Agree
Here was something interesting I came across which is along the same lines
http://danielstanilovic.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/was-great-white-shark-cull.html?m=1
Backing any of these groups is frought with danger for rec fishos no matter if pro or anti as in the end theres a bigger picture for the goups organising these activities
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PEOPLE READ THIS .. it
PEOPLE READ THIS .. it comprehensively nails the issue and the bigger picture with the actual facts of the matter . Well written Mr Stanilovic and thanks for the link Tim ..
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What he forgets..
What he forgets to mention is that WA is just about a sanctuary for sharks, particularly the metro area. If I was a shark I would love to be in this area........ All pro's taken out of the metro area, all crayfisherman no longer allowed to net, wetline, put hooks on their floats, all sharks greater than a certain size have to be returned, no finning. Multiple professional buybacks, etc etc. You can't bloody fish in half the areas anymore because of the sharks. Soon you won't be able to swim either.
The only risk to a big shark is if it swims within 1km of certain beaches and swallows a pretty crude inefficient ball of chain and a size 50/o circle hook that would probably be more efficient at pulling a tractor out of a bog. I think that is a pretty good deal for the sharks. People anti drum lines have no sense of balance or real knowledge of the situation.
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I would be careful about
I would be careful about letting it gain momentum. Can be rest assured that if they smell success they won't stop with sharks. It's like those that support Sea Shepard. Once they finish with whales they will move onto fishing. (Already have)
Be careful who you support. They don't have a fishermans best interests at heart I assure you.
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Tim
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Yep
Couldn't agree more.
Just had a look at Ross Weir's the face of the anti cull groups facebook page. Pushing all sorts of stuff like the VEGAN JUGGERNAUT and Animal Amnesty. Certainly going to be some hidden agenda tied in there.
Paul H
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You're spot on Adam, protests
You're spot on Adam, protests today here in Glenelg Adelaide and in all other states around Aust. They certainly are playing the emotive card well.
Same hysteria has led to a metro (land based) shark fishing ban for around 100km of metro Adelaide cost. Would you believe land based off Adelaide YOU CANT USE ANYTHING BIGGER THAN A 3/0 HOOK between 6am and 9pm. Basically buggers up fishing for snapper or mullas locally (should have just banned wire), Some crap about attracting sharks (6-7ft bronzies tops) into swimming beaches. Idiots in power and behind the whole thing don't realise the sharks are there anyway and have been for decades.
Hate to say it but it might be worth taking heed as to what is posted re catching metro sharks (or any) on this site. would hate to see anything used by the green zealots
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nah, storm in a tea cup
the silent majority can see thru these dimwits, please can we have more comments from sarah hyphen-person, and s lunden to get rolled in the re-election in wa, too many people fish and vote as well
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beau
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Have you read all the
Have you read all the comments on social media from the majority of the public? No storm in a tea cup, this is serious theyve been caught hook, line and sinker and us fisherman are in trouble I think!
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social media
is that fishwrecked Beau?
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Did you check out my FB link
Did you check out my FB link uncle?
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Scary stuff and definetly
Scary stuff and definetly could create some issues for us recreational fisherman.
I do wonder though if the green members are actually as environmentally motivated
as they portray, do some research on there education and I am sure that plenty of them
have law degrees, gotta love a lawyer, lol!!!
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totally agree
totally agree
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You all do realise that only
You all do realise that only a very small percentage of people that do not support this action are 'greenies', the diehard Eco-activists, hippy tree hungers, etc?
The larger percentage, which is also apparently a large portion of the community in general according to some media surveying, are normal people that simply have the opinion that this is wrong. They are not sheep being lead by a green shepherd, they are not aiming at banning rec fishing and having us all eat tofu etc. They simply don't like the policy that has been put in place, and they are entitled to that opinion. They also, like me, probably think the Eco-activists are pushing some non sensical agendas with their other causes but when it comes to the shark debate, it lines up with the opinion of a lot of common folk.
I'm a scientist, ecologist and proffesionally involved in conservation, I fish (when the bloody wind will let me), have a two stroke outboard and a front row seat for incredible environmental harm being caused across Perth. I also earn a sizable income from my profession. A lot of people should make the destination that not all people opposed to this are tree hugging, dole bludging, green ferals.
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This thread has no mention of
This thread has no mention of stereotypical greenies , it's about how the conservationists go about influencing the general public .. nice to know your on big bikkies being a scientist is that out of the public purse , regardless you blokes are the one's whom are supposed to have the answers .. What is it ? .. btw for the environments sake pee off the 2 stroke and get a 4 banger .
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2 stroke is an opti...
And a miser on oil, even at WOT, but the next will be a 4 stroke hopefully attached to a new tub. Opti is light and damn quick though.
No easy answers at all possible. To many water users across to many kilometres of Coast that is shark habitat, drum lines are not the silver bullet. More of a political statement. The Coogee beach and Busso barrier has plenty of merit for providing examples of barriers and quite cheap, shark sheilds make me feel better in the water (Black point left hander), tagging may provide research data and possibly ID some that hunt in close to beaches that are popular, research may give us better idea on population size and possibly controls (quota, licensed game fishing).
Reducing numbers of an apex predator has an domino effect down the food chain, throwing things out of balance (the food chain in regards to GW's is out of balance already though due to whaling, seal numbers and fishing and is a recovery phase) and results in boom/bust population of predator and prey.
Ideally, adaptation is required and population mitigation, if they are in a boom cycle may be required. We don't know if it is population driven though (human vs shark, or shark alone) so research is required or we could inadvertently impact our own valuable rec and commercial fisheries. To early for drum lines, if it is the correct thing to do, the public will always be divided on it.
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bloke on the news tonight
the bloke (claims to be a shark expert conservationist) on 7 news tonight said the drum lines were bringing in sharks to them because they "can smell the bait" isn't that the whole idea???? and I actually didn't think sharks actualy went about sniffing I thought they used receptors in the front of the head that detected things in the ocean , how many more fringe groups will turn up???? I really really want to see simon peterffy launch his "marine response unit " its going to be so funy seeing him rescued
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Sharks do go about actualy
Sharks do go about actualy sniffing they have a very large olfactory (same as in our nose) to "smell" blood in the water.
the Electroreception doesn't come into play until they are very near their prey.
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I seen on the news that a 4 m shark was
hanging around Leighton beach today. Just a 100m out.
Why wasn't that sarah greenie dimwit out swimming..bugger
The Greens and their alp mates with support from the lefty media groups "these days nearly all of them" will not stop their political agendas until they get their way.
Our world as we know it will be gone in 10 or 15 years including unfortunately... us fisho's
They slowly eat in at our rights with the media right behind them stirring shit.
IMO any fisho who is vocally anti cull needs to take a look at themselves and the future of rec fishing because as sure as tomorrow they will take that away from you.
The alp and the greens combined will no doubt take government away from the conservitives in the future then we will have to put up with the same shit as last time they where in bed together. I'm sure you can remenber that dick head greenie come alp enviroment minister garret.
We as fisho's wether we like the cull or not must ride this out and make a stand because if we back down on this issue they will have us by the you know what then more power to them and that my friends is scary.
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Quicker than you think
IMO it will happen quicker than you think. When the newly elected senators take their seats in June? Tony Abbott will be down on his knees kissing whoevers dot he can , green, independents, Palmer party or the new motoring enthusiasts so he can get any new legislation passed.
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But John, he promised he
But John, he promised he wouldn't arse kiss ;).
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Ears
How do you reckon he got those big ears from?
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Ha ha ha yep they are all
Ha ha ha yep they are all from the same mould.
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Ed Zachary
It seems to be case of voting for the least bigoted, conceited or extreme politicians in the hope of getting some more normal people representing us. Fat chance though, the current crop are lemons.
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Before they cull
I would like to see a subsidisation and a phase in period for shark shields. Drum lines and barriers only protect at that location and the WA attacks have been widespread. Surfers in particular seem reluctant to put on a shark shield, kayakers and divers seem far more accepting. Surfers account for most of the attacks/close encounters from my reading and have some loud support for the cull(Tom McInnes -Margaret River Board Riders Club and Taj Burrows) I have not heard of any of them calling for people to take all precautions. Why? I am mainly a diver, dinghy fisher, kayaker and really poor surfer but my mum bought me a shark shield for my birthday which can be used on all platforms because she didnt want me being eaten before my wedding in March.
Im on the fence, I recognise sharks as a threat in my recreation and hopefully commercial careeer, I see the threat, But I still dont want them killed. I understand the commercial pressure the govt is under for tourism and just general safety so something had to be done. Total rock and a hard place but I feel people need to accept and take all precautions for their chosen activities before the govt has to step in and cull willy nilly. Before anyone says its not a cull, if your read carefully it says there will be drum lines and patrols. Any shark meeting the requirements in the areas will be dealt with if possible thus the Leighton/Coogee inshore drumlines today.
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It's not a cull, it's the
It's not a cull, it's the removal of large sharks 1 km from shore at certain beaches.
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Ed Zachary it isn't
There is a clear divide between the GWS huggers ''ALP & Greens party'' and the Conservatives as you may have notice the oppersition leader on the beach with greenies and Barney who brought this drum line thing to reality.
One represents less gonvernment [Tony]
the other big government [ALP] all paid for by us poor old tax payers 
and you will find all government employed [can't call them workers] people will support greens and alp....why is that.... I think we all know the answer.
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Greens are hangingon by the
Greens are hangingon by the skin of their teeth. Ludlam (The GREENS) has the federal re-election of senate for WA coming up.
If The Greens lose this they are screwed. Yeah, the federal election where 5000votes went missing
This isnt about sharks. Its rounding up voters. Why arent they in NSW & QLD where they have been drum lining and netting for decades?
We have EASTERN STATERS that have both drum lines and nets saying "If you dont want to be eaten dont get in the water"
A bit hypocritical really.
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Yes the hypocrisy of the
Yes the hypocrisy of the eastern states protests of WA when they have their own nets & drum lines..... *thumb & fore finger pinched to bridge of nose with a sigh* phuckin' greenies & their bullshit but why the masses don't see it?!
Ps. a credible source has an over 3m GW coming aboard down here but no media reports, interesting!
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Bet
If its true, I'd nearly bet it came off Surfers Point, have seen and encountered quite a few where it drops off in to deeper water outside where they surf.
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Tiger
Seems it was a Tiger according to this
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/three-more-sharks-two-of-them-undersize-hooked-on-sw-drum-lines/story-fnhocxo3-1226818804159