ORSSC New Facilities

Are there any members on here who know the proposed plans for the ORSSC in conjunction with the OR Marina redevelopment and will it be a similar setup to the CPBA with private launching facilities?

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I’ve been a member for 34 years

Thu, 2021-10-28 09:53

...and pretty much up to date with the plans.

I'll summarise when I get some time  

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Awesome thanks mate

Thu, 2021-10-28 09:59

Awesome thanks mate

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ORSSC Summary

Fri, 2021-10-29 08:19

An overview first.  ORSSC now has in excess of 1,300 family members.  What I mean by that is that when you join, your whole family becomes a member.  This has grown considerable over the last couple of years, as the public grew confidence that the marina was a reality.  We have the best panoramic view on the coast, with an elevated grassed outdoor area overlooking the water.  This is complete with kids playground equipment, alfresco tables and an outside bar.  It’s a sight to behold on a nice Sunday afternoon, with members enjoying a drink, the facilities and overseeing their kids playing.  Unfortunately, we all realise this elevated position can’t be retained in the new design.

 

With respect to the ORSSC, the design has us moving down to water level, more or less where the current ramps are.  Originally and up to not long ago, we were set back from the water, which we as a club didn’t think was appropriate, particularly with regard to access to club pens.  We lobbied the designers and got that changed….we are now on the water’s edge, similar to Hillarys Yacht Club.

 

As far as facilities go, there is no provision for club ramps at present.  This is disappointing.  We have been allocated a number of pens…I think around the 200 mark, which like HYC, will be adjacent to the club premises.

 

A committee has been formed to design the layout of the new club building.  This will be a difficult task as each member I’m sure will have their own views as to how it should be laid out.  $6.5m has been allocated by government for the build, which is great.  For years we have been putting funds aside in recognition that we would need to contribute.  I’m not 100% sure, but I think this is in the region of $1.5m now.  I’m pretty sure we’ll need to borrow as well, as thoughts are that the build will be in the order of $10m.  Although I’m not on the design committee, I hear they are looking at a minimum of 2 storey, perhaps 3.  For those that know how kid friendly we are, and the facilities we now have for kids, members should be happy that this will be retained

 

We are hugely indebted to the Joondalup Mayor, Albert Jacob.  He is actually a club member and has been instrumental in supporting and driving the project.  I’m 100% sure we wouldn’t be where we are without him, although the management of the development has now transferred to Development WA.

 

Like all groups of people, not all club members agree with this development…we have something quite special now and there are concerns from some that the new club won’t be as good.  The reality is, we had no choice but go along for the ride….it’s happening, with or without us.  This has been a very long process so far….a good mate of mine is on the Marina Development Committee, which has been running for well over 10 years!!

 

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 I don't know the full story

Fri, 2021-10-29 11:43

 I don't know the full story but I think HYC "sold" pens in the early years to repay debt and that led to some financial issues as the pens don't bring in annual revenue. Other FW members will probably provide more detail but this is just a cautionary tale. Just like Laurie Potter and his lifetime fitness club memberships - somewhere down the track this is gonna mean cashflow problems!

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Pens

Fri, 2021-10-29 16:19

Davewillo, yes, there has been talk about selling some pens at Ocean Reef, but nothing agreed.

If it does happen, it will be a small number and they'll be expensive so I'm not sure demand will be huge.

From what I hear about Hillarys, they have lots of problems to sort out.  I'm not a member there, but have quite a few mates who are.  I hear that patronage is dropping off due to cost and quality.  This is a killer for clubs with expensive premises to run.  The previous Club Manager has left, so they are looking at rebuilding the club culture.

What ORSSC is assessing is how much to bite off....running pens, fuel jetty, boat lifter etc in additon to the general club is a big ask and if not done well can lead to all sorts of financial drama.

 

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 Belly fish I'm a member at

Mon, 2021-11-01 15:17

 Belly fish I'm a member at HYC and they went through a world of pain but hopefully on the other side now. A previous general manager (better be careful  as there has been more than 1) had his hand in the cookie jar. He went along with the accountant. They've been trying to clear up stuff like contra for pem fees and very poor financial and general management. Slashed nomination fees to increase membership numbers which seems to have worked. Reduced pen fees too which is awesome! Pretty good club now I reckon.

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Great write up thanks mate

Fri, 2021-10-29 13:00

Great write up thanks mate

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Marine Rescue Building

Sat, 2021-10-30 08:58

 Don't forget that half of the $6.5m is for the new Marine Rescue building which will be separate from the club. So how will the club raise nearly $7m towards thier building.

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It won't work that way

Sun, 2021-10-31 00:16

Actually, the $6.5m is for ORSSC, Marine Rescue and DoT.

All are likely to have separate buildings.

Why DoT actually needs a bulding is mind boggling....they already have an underutilised premise at Hillarys.

What ORSSC would hope in the carve up of the funds is that some consideration is given to the value of what is being lost.  The three recipients have vastly different building values.....DoT none and Marine Rescue a very modest existing building, whereas ORSSC is substantial, all built with member funds. 

Having said that, the ORSSC Marina Development Committee has several additional funding options in play, in addition to planning for a considerable loan, which again will need to be paid for by members.  Unlike Marine Rescue, we receive no government or FESA funding.

Still lots of water to flow under the bridge with this.