To fully roll, tip roll or not roll at all?

In the process of setting up a 24kg mono trolling outfit and was curious as to peoples thoughts on which type of rod they would recommend.

Never fished with a fully rollered rod before so i was wondering if there are any advantages of going with such a setup for this line class. Obviously roller maintenance will be an issue but that wouldn't be a problem.

Will a roller tip only be just as beneficial?

John

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All my 24kg gear is fully

Wed, 2007-12-19 21:23

All my 24kg gear is fully rollered as is 2 of my 15kg outfits. Its a personal preference. Less stress on the guides with rollers when you have a big billfish tearing line off at great knots.


Have a mate that only uses normal guids for his game gear. He has never had a prob. More maint with rollers to cause if you dont look after them the seize up.

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No rollers imo

Wed, 2007-12-19 21:32


The reason i say this Big John is that unless your rod holders are pretty square with the back off the boat, the line can ride up the side off the roller and run on the steel part. A good quality tip on the end means you can have the rod at any angle and not have to worry about it fouling. Just my experance with them mate, good luck.

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BJ my two 24kg and 37kg game

Wed, 2007-12-19 22:43

BJ my two 24kg and 37kg game gear are on quality tips.have not had a problem in the past but Bouttime does have a valid point and for someone who fishes for big game such as he does he knows his stuff well.




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I use two 15kg/24kg fully

Thu, 2007-12-20 07:28

I use two 15kg/24kg fully rollered shimano rods and the line has never riden off the rollers, i have used 50lb braid and 50lb mono on both. Our rod holders are both angled outwards slightly also, as for the roller maint a good wash and some inox works pretty good for me. I rekon the rollered rods feel better to used than no rollered.
Also both of the combo's have been getting used regularly.

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fully rollered for sure if

Thu, 2007-12-20 13:08

fully rollered for sure if they are all aftco rollers . less friction with rollers but i also agree with three lions in the sense that if the holders are not square you can come across more trouble
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Input

Thu, 2007-12-20 19:17

Thanks for the input guys. Obviously that middle of the road line class where you have several viable options. I'll see what the post Xmas sales bring in the way of good deals.

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Hi Ya, When I asked the same

Thu, 2007-12-20 19:48


Hi Ya,

When I asked the same question in a tackle store the guy advised that if I was using mono, use rollers, but if braid, no rollers.  Reason being that braid, being much thinner is more likely to jam between the rollers and side of guide which would ost fish whereas mono, being much thicker, won't.

Don't know whether that is right or not but it sounded logical so bought rod without rollers as I'm using braid.

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At the end of the day whats

Thu, 2007-12-20 20:06

At the end of the day whats the rod for. Game fishing or bottom bouncing. As for mono getting caught never seen or heard of it. I have used a fully rollered rod with a TLD 50 running 200 pound braid fishing 1000ft water and not a problem.  

As i said personal thing. if fishing mono no probs running full rollers and if running braid prob stick with no rollers.

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its all about the gear your

Thu, 2007-12-20 20:30

its all about the gear your using ,some rods with rollers are better suited to mono because that what they were built for,my old man has an old fenwick game stick that he tryed to use with braid but like ody said the braid got jammed between the rollers and the guide,but braid was,nt invented then,but all valid comments,
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24kg mono trolling outfit

Thu, 2007-12-20 22:37

As I mentioned at the start of the thread, its going to be a mono trolling outfit.

I'll either go for fully rollered OR sic guides with a roller tip, just not sure at this stage.

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When fishing mono with big

Fri, 2007-12-21 12:24

When fishing mono with big fast running fish the friction over the guide under load will generate heat. When the fish stops the line is now stationary on the hot guide and can weaken the mono and cause the line to weaken.
That is why rollered guides are the go for mono when you have the possibility of having hundreds of meters of line stripped very fast. The top guide due to the line angle generates the most friction.
SiC guides are better than the more normal guides and thats what I use but all my trolling was for nothing meaner than a mackeral anyway.
With 24kg you are obviously targeting stickfaces so rollers would be best but Sic guides with a roller tip may be good enough.
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salt wear!

Fri, 2007-12-21 22:34

The second and third roller in particular take all the stress on the rod in particular. Rollers reduce line wear which is "salt cut" mainly and heat abrassion a secondary issue......roller tips dont do as much as we think.

I use roller rods for my marlin and sailfish (beaky fishing) but stay with standard guides for everything else. A marlin or saily run at my very old estimated made the roller spin like hundreds and hundreds (cant remember now) BUT the test i did at that tomne over ten tears ago showed just how much wear your get.....salt wear is the issue. Maintanence is easy John and AFTCO as mention are the go!



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