Everyone read the new paper released today

By fisheries on scale fish stocks ect. 18 th November.


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 Saw something on ABC. Pros

Thu, 2021-11-18 18:12

 Saw something on ABC. Pros wanting to cut back rec catches? Not going to make friends that way.

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There also including

Thu, 2021-11-18 18:46

Charter boat catches. Adding them on rec fishing quota . Big changes on the way.

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 Has any of this really

Thu, 2021-11-18 19:01

 Has any of this really surprised us. Slowly losing it, lock out areas and reduced bag limits again FFS

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There can be only one?

Thu, 2021-11-18 19:19

 Maybe an extended demeral ban period or a demersal limit of one?

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Be an extension

Thu, 2021-11-18 19:22

Not limit drop. My guess

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Link for interest

Thu, 2021-11-18 20:34

www.fish.wa.gov.au/About-Us/News/Pages/west-coast-demersal-scalefish-resource-stock-assessment.aspx 

 http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr316.pdf

 

 

DPIRD science shows slow recovery of demersal scalefish stocks
The latest scientific stock assessment of pink snapper and dhufish stocks from Kalbarri to Augusta has found the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Resource is not recovering fast enough to safeguard the sustainability of these prized fish.
 
Department of Primary Industries and Regional Development (DPRID) principal fisheries management officer Clinton Syers said the latest stock assessment showed the recovery rate of scalefish stocks was slower than anticipated in the 20-year recovery plan.
 
DPIRD fisheries scientists have completed three major stock assessments focussing on pink snapper and dhufish since 2010 to monitor stock recovery.
 
This followed a period of overfishing that resulted in recreational and commercial catches being reduced by 50 per cent in 2010 as part of a 20-year recovery plan.
 
Current management arrangements have successfully halted the decline in dhufish and pink snapper stock but there has been limited recovery of these species.
 
Mr Syers said the sustainable management of the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Resource was based on world class fisheries science and research.
 

 Pink snapper is a prized catch for commercial and recreational fishers
 
“Pink snapper and dhufish are used to indicate the health of the entire scalefish resource, which is comprised of more than 100 species of fish,” he said.
 
“We are now more than half-way through the recovery plan period and have been carrying out science assessments to measure the rate of recovery of the resource under the current management measures.
 
“The demersal scalefish resource is not recovering as quickly as necessary to ensure the long-term sustainability of these important fish species.
 
“Pink snapper and dhufish can live up to 40 years and our latest stock assessment shows a continued lack of older fish in the population required for the resource to recover.
 
“This is due to only having a few successful breeding years since 2010 to replenish populations combined with increased fishing pressure resulting in less of these fish surviving long enough to add to the breeding stock and support stock recovery.”
 
Mr Syers said WA’s commercial and recreational fishers highly valued the resource and are abiding by the current rules and also donating fish frames for aging purposes as part of the science assessment. 
 
“The stock assessment makes it clear that changes to management arrangements are required to get the recovery of demersal scalefish to sustainable levels back on track,” Mr Syers said.
 
“It is vitally important we continue to work together to enable the demersal scalefish stock to replenish to sustainable levels or risk further depletion of the fishery in the future.”
 
In July this year, DPIRD released the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Resource Harvest Strategy, developed by representatives from the Department, Recfishwest, Marine Tourism WA, WA Fishing Industry Council and commercial and recreational fishers.
 
The strategy outlines the agreed objectives, milestones, timeframes and control rules to ensure the recovery of the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Resource.
 
A Reference Group comprising government and peak industry body representatives will meet and review the latest stock assessment against the recovery targets within the Harvest Strategy and provide advice on appropriate management responses for further consultation.
 

 

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private

Thu, 2021-11-18 22:02

 Heading down the same path that those of us that also hunt on the land have to endure. You will need to know someone that owns a private piece of ocean to fish on it.

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We were talking with

Thu, 2021-11-18 23:50

We were talking with recfishwest today


We are working with them on a trial of filleting stations down at Hillary's.

this topic came up and they asked whilst doing our trials if we could gather some public opinion and information about this and

ways we can mitigate this without lockouts ect ect.

By the Breif convo the feeling I got is they want to keep things similar and have no drastic changes 

as it is recovering 

so please make your opinions known to recfishwest so they can be a voice for you.

it is also true that

recreational; commercial, charters and other forms of fishing will be under one banner as a whole 

this makes sense in a management point of view as it's a whole 

however if times are changing....and it's going down the pro vs rec route 

it would be considered a public resource  for the average person to enjoy rather than for business profiting from it.

thats what needs to be protected

 

 

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 Not at all intended as

Fri, 2021-11-19 08:27

 Not at all intended as sounding impolite, but just a question for clarity, can you please elaborate who "we" are?

As it sounds as though you are (or represent) a lobby group or regulatory body, and it would be good to know who you represent or are speaking on behalf of.

Even better maybe, update your profile to reflect this.

Fishwrecked is a great reference resource that can be utilised both for and (unfortunately) against rec fishers interests just as effectively

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 Hey Rob,No Impoliteness

Fri, 2021-11-19 14:08

 Hey Rob,

No Impoliteness taken thats a Totally fair comment.

 

And I agree 

A little about "me"  and a litte about "we"

So

My name is Daniel,

I am the Director and Founder of Emission Apparel.

Just like alot of you probably are I am a 38 yr old Dad with a Fiance/Wife and 2 daughters 3 and 5. (kid A was a suprise and we had to can our wedding ) 

I am a Mad keen Fisho...If i am not working or with my family im out fishing enjoying time on the water. 

 

"We"

This will be brief as i could write a book on this...... But I encorage anyone who is interested and would like to chat more in depth to contact me via DM and ill give you my contact details.

 

Emission was founded as a clothing company for fisherman the idea came about 2.5 years ago weve been workin on it for 2 years and we became a PTY LTD. Dec 31 2020

currently by myself  family and friends. 

We put out super high quality Apparel hand screen printed in W.A that is comfortable to wear anywhere...... Fishing, The Pub, down the park  ect ect.

satisfaction gaurenteed!

 

Comfort and quality is a huge thing for us, We have a few " Loud " Ts and singlets, but also some more subtle Ts aswell. feel free to check it out at www.emissionapparel.com.au/shop 

We have also got a $2,500 "Best photo comp" For any purchases made out of any apparel purchase online.

 

But as Fisherman we wanted to do more than just sell apparel.

We want to be "proactive" and contribute back into recreational fishing and basically give back from where we take.

 

We currently have been  alocating a "portion" of money on items between $2-$5 varied on item to be directly put into a fund...We have raised a sum of $2000 which enables us to now start our

"Emission Fishing Fund" with Australian Communities Foundation.

This money will be invested like a super fund and will made to grow so we can then reinvest it directly back into recreational fishing.

(getting the best bang for buck and regenerating the invested amounts to use over and over)

currently we have been doing a bit behind the scenes so far but.... 

Our big ticket goal is to get The Dhufish a restocking programe like they have with other species.

 

Other interests on our agenda is we want to give back to Comunity, Edcucation about our fishery , Development of improved fishing techniques, Beter Science techniques, more safety for remote locations and most importanlty

The protection of recreational fishing.

We want the rec fishing comunity as a whole be seen as the custodians that want to protect our fishery for generations.

to stop any negative groups trying to take these things away from us... we have done and will be doing for generations to come.

 

I hope this answers any questions 

And as i said Anyone can feel free to contact me and ill be happy to have a chat to anyone about anything.

 

Regards,

Daniel. 

  

 

 

 

 

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Hi Daniel.

Sun, 2021-11-21 07:08

 I enjoyed reading the above article I just  wish there ere more people who want to actually help improve rather than just take & destroy.

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How will trial

Fri, 2021-11-19 05:07

Filleting stations help fish ? What is the benefit ? I would think it would get used against you .

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Hey little JohnnyWe totally

Fri, 2021-11-19 06:11

Hey little Johnny

We totally get your concerns about depositing  skeletons. 
 

Basically We're dammed if we don't and dammed if we don't

no fish getting collected and no information being received could mean to them thes a problem with stocks and they will shut us out 

We feel that having corrected information and scientific research will give us and the government at the time  more informed information about stocks ...it is an important part of helping demersal fish

we can also make it work in our favour if science proves what is happening is correct 

they've already acknowledged the decline has stopped and biomas is recovering albeit slowly.

maybe if more skeletons were donated and they collected good information they may  see it as being healthier than the report says now...

We think the way they gather some of the information for these studies is floored.
and more  needs to be done  in regards to studies in our opinion  so more informed decisions can be made

but this is all we have at this time and we need to make it work for us

it's a public resource we have a voice on what happens to it. we just need to make ourselves heard 

through letters to members Parliament or through recfishwest 

 

 

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What have they asked for

Fri, 2021-11-19 16:32

?

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I just sent a dm with my

Fri, 2021-11-19 16:52

I just sent a dm with my contact details.
Feel free to call and we can have a  in-depth chat if you like

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Make occy and squid

Fri, 2021-11-19 18:06

Shirts :)

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 Hey LJ thanks for the

Fri, 2021-11-19 19:36

 Hey LJ 

thanks for the chat! 

Love the feed back mate 

You might be onto something with those T's 

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 the amount of small pinkies

Fri, 2021-11-19 06:19

 the amount of small pinkies has certainly increased tenfold- frquent observatons by members on here, no mention of it in study

looking at what happened in Shark bay with new demerasl limits , without any real data  makes me wonder about their survey methods and intent

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Price of fuel atm

Fri, 2021-11-19 18:03

Will save fish .far out incredible

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My thoughts are it's ridiculous

Fri, 2021-11-19 20:53

last season we saw and caught more Dhuie's than we have ever seen. (touch wood it continues). We have seen and caught more Snapper last season than I've ever caught, but I will admit they were mostly undersized but we never used to see them, and this is Snapper central down here. I just don't see their logical reason what they are suggesting as I personally think the stocks have increased.

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Agree

Fri, 2021-11-19 21:55

All depends on who does surveys and hands in there frames. You may get a few who catch nothing . May get few who do well . Then they average it out . No science involved at all ( only my opinion), I admit I was a sucker in early days ( handing in tags , frames ect ) I must admit over the years never caught a tagged dhue.

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Social media

Sat, 2021-11-20 18:43

 I think this is were there getting there surveys from. There watching all social media sites and that's were there getting the numbers from. 

The only reason they pulled the cockbourn sound Snapper ban forward 2 weeks is they monitored social media sites and realised they were 2 weeks short and people were catching Snapper. Right or wrong I'm not bothered but, was it based on science. Mmm

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They should honestly

Sat, 2021-11-20 22:05

Bring it month prior to what it is . I have noticed over the last few years on big moons huge schools on surface doing there deed outside the sound . Is it the water quality stopping big schools entering sound ? Not overfishing , Heaps of sea grass gone .natural mussel beds gone. It’s also great seeing young kids get a trophy fish in safe conditions.( sheltered water) that would be a shame.Whatever happens won’t be end of world. I still think surveys guess work . Ones who do surveys ( frames daily catch ect) . Then do average of all other fisherman. Could be wrong unsure. Figures don’t add up.i honestly don’t think frame bins will help amateurs at all . Return back to ocean ( cray bait) or crab food. Be interesting outcome . I know what my moneys on .

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You wait LJ

Sun, 2021-11-21 12:54

when they start dredging the sound for the new outer harbour, and wreck all the weed beds all through the sound and the Snapper breeding sanctuary.

Then numbers drop who will get the blame for the lack of Squid and Snapper stocks then? Or is that just the cost of progress?

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Conservation

Sun, 2021-11-21 07:15

 Conversation on Greay Whites has certainly worked out very well not only around Australian beaches but world spread,but coupld with the elimination of wet line/net fisheries that saw quite a few employment prospects go ,the deininying of local Austrialiaan people fresh fish (Flake) at a very reasonable price we now see a dramatic encrease in ohter shark 's I can honeslty say that I have never know or seen so many Bronzies ,Tigers & the odd GW as I have in the past 5/6 years.But on the good side ? I have also seen a dramatic decrease in divers & snorkelers 

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To be honest. IF the science

Sun, 2021-11-21 07:34

To be honest. IF the science says that an extended ban would be highly beneficial to demersal stock I wouldn't be putrid knowing it's the time of year I can chase crabs, flatties, YFW etc and take the family to GI/Rotto etc.

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numbers

Sun, 2021-11-21 09:17

 My son was randomly surveyed and the latest plan is to have an annual limit on demersals.A tag system where you record your catch on a card and you have a limit of species.How that will be policed is beyond me.The system we have is great and working

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 There is no transparency in

Sun, 2021-11-21 15:05

 There is no transparency in fisheries/recfishwest decisions, just generic crap given as the reason. Public surveys don't justify judging fish stocks imo and using social media in the same way is lazy research. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If alot of fish pics are posted then we are catching too many, if only a few are posted there must be low numbers out there.  Give us some real scientific data!  Even the paper released doesn't give any real data.

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Data data data

Thu, 2021-11-25 12:02

Agree will some of your points i.e. damned if we do damned if we dont.

 I am not sure what you mean by no data though? Which paper did you read? The media release (www.fish.wa.gov.au/About-Us/News/Pages/west-coast-demersal-scalefish-resource-stock-assessment.aspx) is a short summary and directs you to the 2021 stock assessment (www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr316.pdf) which is +150 pages long and is full of data, very comprehensive. 

Cheers

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Data

Thu, 2021-11-25 12:30

I read the 2021 Stock Assessment and also found it lacking in any sort of data that explained 'where we were vs where we are'.  This is the data people want to see.  The following is a cut and paste from the stock assessment.

"2.1 Catch and effort data

Compulsorily reported catch and effort data from each commercial fishery that retained demersal scalefish including West Australian dhufish and Snapper in the WCB since 1975 were obtained from DPIRD databases. These fisheries include the West Coast Demersal Scalefish (Interim) Managed Fishery, the Temperate demersal gillnet and long-line fisheries (i.e. West Coast Demersal Gillnet and Demersal Longline Managed Fishery and Southern Demersal Gillnet and Demersal Longline Managed Fishery, West Coast Rock Lobster Managed Fishery, South-west Trawl Managed Fishery and the Cockburn Sound Line and Pot Managed Fishery. Charter catch and effort data were obtained from compulsory logbooks introduced in 2001/02. Catch and effort data of private boat-based recreational fishers were derived from periodic surveys at boat ramps (creel surveys) prior to 2011/12 (Lai et al., 2019) and from integrated phone-diary surveys from 2011/12 onwards (see Ryan et al. 2019)."

This is hardly what I would call comprehensive data. Boat ramp surveys prior to 2011/12 and phone-diary surveys from 2011/12 onwards. Where is the science?

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It is there...

Tue, 2021-12-21 14:13

Hi Alan, 

You are right that is not comprensive but that is just ONE of MANY inputs which feeds into the model they use in the assessments.

You say "where is the science" - there is 150 pages of science.

The whole of section 2.0 is methods plus more information in the appendix.

Suggest you have another look - I put the link here as the old one wasnt working (www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr316.pdf)

Cheers

 

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I'm not convinced

Tue, 2021-12-21 17:32

I see lots of theoretical data being applied to purported trends where the information / data has been collected from ramp surveys and phone polls.  Hardly convincing.  I'm not saying the stock assessment is incorrect. I'm wary of the accuracy of the findings when theoretical data, based on previous assumptions is inputted into a model.  I'm sure you are familiar with the expression shit in, shit out.    

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Well said agree

Mon, 2021-11-22 17:08

How can you save stock . Tag method won’t work . You won’t keep 6 to 7 kilo dhue.( if we had so many tags per person a year) you will let it go . Possible bad outcome for dhue. Size over the years has dropped agree but there is never a issue getting your 2,dhues . Ban won’t work for dhues and pinks only. Kg gear lands them easy. Pinks on surface in sound yesterday 3 big seperate schools . In a 2 k area. Fins out of surface ( swirling) if no one posted fish agree ( there is none) post pics getting to many . Interesting times ahead . I don’t think it will happen this season . Next year I would say. If there is scientific tally’s that support the decline all good . If it’s a hand full of people doing there frames/ catch rate ect. Then it’s guess work .

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everone read the newspaper release today

Wed, 2021-11-24 02:02

 for my two cents worth, I have caught many dhu fish, late january & Febuary, that are still spawning, but the pollies wont close the season till end of Febuary, because they are to conserned about loosing vote, so for a full spawning, we have to exstend the demersible ban till the end of Febuary, and that also include the profectonal fisher s as well, or at least half there catch through that time, cheers Don.

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 Selfishly I'd prefer if

Wed, 2021-11-24 18:54

 Selfishly I'd prefer if commerical fishing was banned in the metropolitan region ...

 

The current system seems to be working but I havent seen the data. Has the fisheries published this?

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Already is.

Wed, 2021-11-24 22:28

Already is.

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 Ive caught snapper multiple

Wed, 2021-11-24 18:56

 Ive caught snapper multiple times that are spawning way out of the main spawning season and if dhuies and snapper are treated by fisheries as one and the same, you could expect the same from dhuies for research purposes.

From what i understand recs and pros will suffer the same.

I would love to know why current up to date research is not made public. 

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 Think I'm gonna take up lawn

Wed, 2021-11-24 20:31

 Think I'm gonna take up lawn bowls. Fishing is becoming to political 

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Sporting clubs are no better

Thu, 2021-11-25 13:50

Sporting clubs are no better for politicts these days... especially bowling clubs

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 But they do have cheap beer 

Thu, 2021-11-25 13:53

 But they do have cheap beer 

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 And beer fixes everything 

Thu, 2021-11-25 17:31

 And beer fixes everything 

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Best cure for a hangover 

Thu, 2021-11-25 21:05

Best cure for a hangover 

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I can’t understand Charter boats

Thu, 2021-11-25 09:31

Put under recreation catch quota. I thought they where pros ? Reading article from abc . Pros want us recreational to fix issues with stocks .( we drop ours) they stay same . I would love to see charters catch ( has to be recorded) also pros which also has to be recorded ( type of fish ect). Then put amatures details up . There surveys (on people who do them ). True facts not fictional

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 Jazz charters smashing the

Thu, 2021-11-25 13:18

 Jazz charters smashing the pinks day in day out in nearly all weather shits me. 

 

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 Don't go there mate, I

Thu, 2021-11-25 17:33

 Don't go there mate, I copped shit for mentioning that here before. 

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All goes on

Thu, 2021-11-25 13:30

Our catch rate . Pinks dumb as bat s-it . Burley spot day in day out . They are there ,hence why he fills boat every trip .

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Info Session

Tue, 2021-11-30 18:24

Hi All. We have arranged an info session from fisheries via RFW on this at Cockburn Power Boats Club friday 10/12.

Will be good for everyone to be informed before this goes to the next stage.

Link to the event here https://www.facebook.com/events/1109293172941341 or direct to free tickets here https://www.trybooking.com/BWBRS

 

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 How did this info session

Sun, 2021-12-12 21:46

 How did this info session go? Good turn out?

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Session

Tue, 2021-12-14 13:28

About 30 in attendance Rob.

Was actually some good info was provided and certainly the people I spoke to came away with a better understanding of what was going on.

A few points for fisheries to consider were raised on the night which RFW will take on as well. Key will be to get some good engagemnt from the community when it goes to consultation.

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Would have thought

Tue, 2021-11-30 21:47

Rec fish would keep everyone informed from start . Rather than secret service .and only few find out . Doesn’t matter really . They all have same agenda .

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They are

Wed, 2021-12-01 22:56

They have already put stuff out for info. They are also looking to do these sessions at lots of places. Mangles has been asked if they want one too.

 

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 The Government & its QUANGOS

Wed, 2021-12-01 06:26

 The Government & its QUANGOS use the euphemism that they "consult widely " then go ahead & do what they had already decided anyway. It's just to give the impression of consultation. The Minister is able to look directly at the camera and say "We consulted widely ". It's all smoke and mirrors. 
I've seen it happen repeatedly when I was working. 

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 Yep saw that first hand when

Wed, 2021-12-01 07:05

 Yep saw that first hand when a big company decided they wanted to build a huge transfer/rubbish station next to our factory units. City of Canning had an open "consultation meeting" but a fellow unit owner who attended said it was a waste of time, the decision had already been made. 

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Choice

Wed, 2021-12-01 22:53

We all have a choice. Actually make the effort to learn what is being proposed so you can make an informed decision around what to do about it or to sit back and do nothing.

Seems a lot of people think complaining on social media these days is enough effort for them and then blame everyone else when it doesnt go their way.

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Fair comment Tim

Tue, 2021-12-14 20:02

however people want to be informed of the science behind any proposed restrictions.  We are continually reminded that all decisions are based on the best science available and yet I see none.  See my post further up.  If I've missed something please direct me to the page(s) of the report that refer to the science which supports the decresing / increasing stock numbers.  Ramp surveys are not science. 

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Could not agree more

Tue, 2021-12-21 14:14

 

Completely agree Tim - good stuff.

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Could not agree more

Tue, 2021-12-21 14:15

 

Completely agree Tim - good stuff.

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What is will be not end of world

Tue, 2021-12-14 15:02

From what I’ve heard ( could be wrong) . Doesn’t matter about who says what , where and when . ( social media ect) decisions have been made.and it’s final .

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 What is the proposal?

Tue, 2021-12-14 19:40

 What is the proposal?

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Ask Tim

Wed, 2021-12-15 18:21

He will know .

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Know

Mon, 2021-12-20 21:00

You seem to know whats going to happen more than me johnny. Didnt you say a long ban is a done deal?

I just want people to get up to speed with whats going on rather than sit back and get stuck with whatever comes our way which is why I arranged a talk at CPBC. Mangles is looking to do the same as well as other clubs and for the same reason.

The greenies and animal rights groups get organized with this stuff. Us not so much. 

Only way to offer any options will be by understanding what they are looking for and offering alternative options. Politics will come into the result as much as anything else.

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I heard the news

Mon, 2021-12-20 17:15

I heard the news today. 

Doesn't sound too good

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Tim not having a dig at all

Mon, 2021-12-20 21:32

All is set in concrete . Doesn’t matter who you are . What you do . Whinge/ cry / post on social media. Means nothing you are right . If there scientist think stocks are in danger it’s a done deal . Ask twiggy Forrest about snapper stocks in sound . Every mussel line smashed. Pinks have come back in huge numbers .even out deep can’t get away from them . Dhues different story. Any dhue you have to let go on release led is f$&@ed. But you have to carry one . Is that so they are not seen floating dead on surface ? I’ve been around long time in fishing . More and more trial bans come in ( then they are set in concrete) this will be. No different .i do not know answer to dhue situation at all . But I never struggle with them ( not being smart ass) is it education on how to harvest one area . Then following week go completely different direction from where you know where fish are. Who knows? Not you not me . I have always been against realease leds for dhues . Recfish got smart deal done for deep droppers years ago . They allowed 1 banded cod over a meter long ( good for deep droppers) and for fish stocks .try realease 25 kilo plus cod in 200 plus meters . Yep won’t happen . Just sinking dead fish.( out of site out of mind) cray bait