Bottom Bouncing Rig
Submitted by Rodrat on Thu, 2008-08-21 10:55
Hi
When making up bottom bouncing rigs am i better
to use knots or three way swivels?
What differance does it make with strengh and tangles?
Thanks Rodrat
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feral1975
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use shogun cranes think they
use shogun cranes think they are part number 4406 , cheap insurance against loosing a good fish
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I like the 3 way cranes as
I like the 3 way cranes as recommended by Ryan. Pretty sure feral1975 is talking about the same ones (http://www.river2sea.com.au/categories.asp?cID=45). I still get tangles, but they are a lot easier to get out than the crosslines or knots.
In my limited experience, I've tried a couple of methods/swivel types/brands. I've tried knots before, but I find they tangle easily and if your baits not on straight they can twist your line up wrecking the line/rig (more on descent and retreival i think). Very annoying to untwist when it happens as well. Good for keeping the line 90 degrees from the main line, but only if your bait doesnt twist I guess?
Strength for both would depend on what knots you use. If you get really good with knots you can tie them 90% using correct knot and knot-tying skill, then if your rig gets stuck, you can break the rig instead of your main line.
edit: also a link I found a while ago: http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/plat_fishing_knots.html
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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personal preference!
Its a personal preference Marc. For me I like using the Shogun & Gladiator H/D three way swivels (both good) for deep water Rubys/greybandedcod/leatherjackets etc as i can replace a dropper through a bite off etc. If i want to use a snelled dropper rig i use three ways also. I find threeways tangle more with other lines and takes longer to make up also. As for fishing 20-120m i use dropped loops and use 120lb trace line!
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THX FOR THE INFO GUYS
I have just made up some rigs with 80lb black magic trace,
Shogun crane swivels and owner circle hooks size 9.
See how they go this weekend if the weather is good.
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I use a little heavier than
I use a little heavier than 80 for dhuies!
100-120lb and sometimes 200 between droppers
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up it!
Agree, up the trace Marc as I've lost a few fish on 80lb especially if you get a double header and the fish do a scissor snap also!
All the best, the weather's looking good this w/end
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i like the owner mutu
i like the owner mutu hooks..... have also just started useing the shogun cranes and find they are pretty good
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I use 50lb braid down to
I use 50lb braid down to 150lb leader then make all my bottoms up with 150lb mono and cranes , but thats my personel preferance as ryan says with 80lb dosen't take much with a good double header of even good snapper to be pulling in different directions for a bottom to come apart
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mono knots
What type of knots are you using for the heavy trace?
I am doing mainly blood knots on the 80lb and it isnt easy
tying knots with thick mono.
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I find the uni knot the best
I find the uni knot the best and strongest you can tie much heaver line using this type of knot
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Rigs
Just made up a couple more using the uni knot.
Heaps faster to tie and easier.
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tried crimping the heavy
tried crimping the heavy stuff as well as the uni not
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Uni knot
First time i have used a uni knot and it seems to be
a really good strong knot.
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Uni!
Yes the uni is a quick & strong knot for sure Marc and my fav. I tie knots in mono to 120lb and crimp anything heavier for ease but still doable!
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Fingers crossed
Lets just hope i can find a dhuie to test the rigs out on, hahahahahahaha
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120lb for dhuies!!!! What do
120lb for dhuies!!!!
What do they have, razor sharp teeth?!?
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tuna hitch
The tuna hitch is an awsome knot, I use it for everything!
You should be able to find it on google or something, give it a go and learn it and you might like it. Make sure you spit on your knots before you tighten them aswell, I know I'm stating the obvious but i rekon it makes a big diff (not just in how the knot pulls together but strengh aswell).
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Tuna hitch????
Would anybody have an idea of what else this would be called??
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Yes
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i use 110lb schneider line
i use 110lb schneider line in the multi color, a top line for dhuie rigs and not bad priced too, seems a fairly poplular choice
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why i go heavy!
If a dhu doesn't swallow in the hook/trace line then lighter trace lines are fine. If they do swallow the hook/trace then that changes things. A long fight or the fish goes off with guns blazing then yes they can wear through. Having experienced this myself and when i was a decky so thats why i prefer heavy trace. I recently lost two very big pink snapper estimated 7-10kg when they 'scissor snapped' my trace line on my 80lb bottom gear so thats another reason as already mentioned!
I like to be the one to release the fish, not the other way around so yeh i'll stay with the heavy stuff!
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Hooks
what single hooks do you guys prefer if not using 3-ways?
both hooks same size or diff?
be interesting to know...i just run two snells personally and 3-ways
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sam
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full circle!
I've tried the lot and ironically I've done a full circle and gone back to my fav Mustad Big Red 6/0, not the sharpest on the market when compared but strong & reliable. Baldys/pinks no worries and the bigger KG wooff it!
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gama
those hooks wouldn't sit write snelling them would they? i spose when baited doesn't really matter
do you find baldies etc woof them down aswell having smaller gobs?
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sam
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always use 3 single 7/0-9/0
always use 3 single 7/0-9/0 gama octopus hooks, and have glow squid on the top to usually.
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Don't use the eye and they
Don't use the eye and they sit fine.
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Rodrat
Ive used 50 pound schnieder for years and other than being slack and not changing it after being chaffed from other fish its never let me down.Never got as bigger dhuies as you fellas down south while i was in Gero but have caught big Sambos on same and skull dragged them up to get rid of em quick and never done any damage to the leader,used it still since ive been up in Dampier and caught big Tevallies on it(which go harder than any Sambo ive caught)and its stood up no probs
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I've lost over 100m of braid
I've lost over 100m of braid with those red snapper over the last month, someone else gets one on and they come up doing circles.
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tuna knot
they call it the tuna knot very strong.
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Tuna Knot
Looks too complicated for me, I'll stick with the Uniknot or simple Snell.
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It looks alot more
It looks alot more complicated than it actually is, it's pretty easy once you do it a couple of times. there's no harm in trying something new.
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Hmm thats dirty, its like
Hmm thats dirty, its like the head of a slim beauty on a hook instead of a mono stranded figure-8
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yeh wouldn't really know
yeh wouldn't really know what else they call it haha. it's pretty good whateva it is!
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Spiral!
I know that knot as a Tuna knot Scott (spirals up & down unlike other knots in general) Never used it...too many knots these days for general use....keeps it interesting!
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