The main thing that concerns me is if the govt is getting fed the right information, I would hate to think that someone that hardly steps foot on a boat and mainly catches herring from the beach is informing the govt on what should be done with the new V5 regs because they are part of a fishing organisation? There are alot of people out there with big voices and little Knowledge. What the govt needs to do is have more input from the guys that are regular offshore fisherman with more public meetings, there are many offshore fishing clubs up the coast that would be more than pleased to be invloved with the decission making, That combined with there Scientific evidence which isn't 100% the govt might end up with a better set of regs that will please most people?
If you blokes dont like the direction that RFW are heading or what management strategies they are supporting (which was a LIMITED clousure) then get off you arses and get involved.
I use to give meat fishers the benefit of doubt when it comes to understanding the issues......but some times the ignorance displayed here is mind blowing.
Keep killing every thing you catch.....post up the pavement shots of your big days you have taking more than you can use immediately......but I promise you one thing if you keep up with this bullshit you will lose in the end.
You are just feeding the Leftwing greeny tree huggers more ammo to use against ALL of us who enjoy the art of angling.
Totally agree with ya Salmo somthing has to be done and this is coming from someone who works in a tackle shop and is also a comercial fisherman. I want the next generation to be able to go out and catch a 20kg dhuie instead of sitting in in front of the idiot box playing xbox. Of coarse we are going to have to make sacrafices for the future of our fish stocks, im all for the bans.
And its not like the commercials are getting away with nuthing, we are not alowed to have a fishing line on the crayboats anymore and all fish in pots do have to be returned, sure some might not but we get checked often and most skippers will not risk the hefty fines for 1 snapper.
OOOOOOOOOOOO a bit of venom!!! I must say though that I agree in a sense. There are all sorts of bullshit comments about this issue and it has been going on since day dot and.... it will always go on. What's the saying?? "you can't run a liniar system in a finite world".... what that means is that unless we address issues of sustainability it is inevitable that things will run out. Salmo is right in that those who feel strongly should join RecfishWest and have your say (for or against). And yes; lets not give the fugging lefties and the tree huggers anything useful to work with!
I just don't get the whole Meat Fisherman argument or those here who justify their "right" to bag out because it is the law. Just because you can does not mean you should. If you somehow "justify it" by looking at the cost of KG you are bringing home vs $$ spent then most of us would be better off going to Kailis or similar when we want a feed and sell all our gear. There are those who go fishing, and there are those that go catching. Sadly those who go catching will ruin it for those of us who go fishing.
I could not care less if I could not bring home any fish, as long as there is a fair cahnce that I can have a chance of catching some. Fishing for me is about escaping from work, be it with mates or family, having a good day on the water, using some nice gear, and hopefully catching some fish.
Would I bother if there were no fish out here, obviously not, so we need a balance. Taking a feed is a privilege, not a right, and if we all treat it like that, then there will be fish for our kids to catch.
Aquaculture seems to be one very obvious solution, and I cannot understand why it does not get more coverage. Snapper and Kingfish are great farming fish, not sure on Dhuies but if they could be bred to repopulate urban zones that would be pretty neat.
Snapper are very easy to farm and you could release thousands a year. Dhuies are not very good to farm.
The last lot that i knew about only got to a sml length and then died.
It much easier to demolish a building than construct one. C'mon guys, give Terry and Co a break. Week after week, I see Terry spending many hours publishing information and responding to questions and commentary, and he does this is numerous forums and totally unpaid.
I absolutely respect your right to have differences of opinion and perspectives - that's healthy.
IMO, Recfishwest does a lot of good work. As Simo said, if you don't like what RFW stands for - get involved and become a comittee member.
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
just sometimes peoples comments just make me want to slit my wrists....and I get grumpy with hayfever
We need to think a bit more before we post something for others to read.....this stuff stays up in cyberspace forever........and it will be our kids reading these archive files looking for why there are no fish left.
If people are passionate about losing access to their favorite sport....and it is a sport angling (....and like all good sportsmen you play by the rules) then put all that juiced up energy into constructive comments, make some positive suggestions.....and take you time to educate the least knowlegable.....coz there are lots out there who arent as a good fisherman...sorry angler as you....
i think you will find the majority of fisho's would be quite ok with bans/closure etc, if they were across the board..end of story...
something has to be done... yes...very true.... bans are a given in my eyes....and a good thing... they need to be across the board though... if a pro boat hasnt met its quota..bad luck..closures are in....
the more info i digest on these topics the better, and i can agree that sometimes what we post doesnt help us one bit...but one thing i cant stand is info that it swayed towards someones agenda
as for your feelings salmo regarding recfish, you are entitled to them.... especially as you have been nominated a board member recfish ......................................
Like some of you blokes I enjoy the sport of angling and eating fish.....
I nominated in the hope of learning more about the management issues surrounding sustainable fishing (for both recs and pros) while maybe trying to offer a balanced view to the board about what anglers out there want.....which is to be able to go fishing for V5 in the future without having a adverse impact....
But if you look at the other nominations you will see much more experienced people than myself so might not get a jumper
cheers buddy ....yes I may have a conflict of interest......not a conflict of conscience...
If i go fishing and can only catch 1 or 2 fish im fine with that i just enjoy going
But to be stopped from catching anything at all while pro's can carry on thats just not on,and that is what recfishwest should be fucusing on just remember who they suppose to represent????
It's good to see someone so passionate speak out imo.
And for what it's worth I agree with your comments, i believe alot of people need to wake up to the issue, and understand that cutting a few bag limits etc isn't going to make a difference. Our demersals need much, much more protection than what they're recieving atm.
RFW are well aware of the fact there is inequity in the original V5 proposal…..the same inequity in the 5% of total allocated catch recs get out of the WRLobster IFM ….
This issue of balance between recs and pro’s was raised with the last minister….strongly by RFW
When you research the management issues further you will also notice that there has been consessions made for the mid-west drop liners….you can still keep a 41cm pink in kalbarri but not in Lano (45cm Jan09)….again RFW agued that this wasn’t fair and in fact could disadvantage recs AND THE FISH…..snapper aren’t sexually mature till 47-51cm…..the bycatch (which most likely dies) would have increased to way more than acceptable levels (what every that might be!!!!) for the commercials….so they get to keep the small sizes pinks….
Any fish caught in waters deeper than 35m has a very reduced chance of surviving being released if undersize…..yep a release weight helps, every boat should have one fishing 20+ metres…
this is a BIG problem.....who has the answers?????
get a membership and get informed....
oh and crew that keeping saying RFW should be representing the views of ALL anglers.......I personally think they are ......its just you blokes who dont get it are in the minority
I disagree Salmo and think that what you have written is bullshit to a degree!
I will have a chat to you as I'm over typing!
But I do respect your opinion I just find that there is too many cracks in Recfishwest's approach!
Colin as for leaving Terry alone,Its not a personal attack just concerned people making sure that all sides are heard!You are out of the ban zone so you do not have to contend with this!
D-Doush the situation that we are in is because of damage done in years past by the Pro's!
Hey Matt, nothing wrong with passion and different points of view.
IMO, for what it's worth, I (as Adam subsequently observed), felt some of the general commentary against RFW was unconstructive.
As for me being out of the ban zone? You're right - I don't have to contend 'with this' - yet!
Like I've said before in other thread, anything that happens within the WCB could set precedents in the SCB, or at least place expectations amongst those with the belief that SCB needs the 'same treatment'. That asside, it's far better I have an interest than be ambivalent.
Besides, me being down here isn't set in concrete. Unforseen circumstances may see me back within the WCB and then, regardless of future SCB developments, I would have to contend with it.
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
Dont get me wrong goat i understand that but measures have been brought in for the pros (Crayfishing boats. Its the wetliners we have to worry about. The fishery is suffering and will only get worse if both pros and rec's both dont do something to change the coarse our demersal fishery is heading. Bring on the bans for both recs and pros i say. Deckhand and member of the Gotone Woodvale team
You are on the water a lot like me ....I too agree that the science put up by fisheries is flawed.....but we dont know do we......better to find out quick eh....
"I just find that there is too many cracks in Recfishwest's approach!"....maybe....maybe not, but I know they mean to do the best for anglers and the fish
and this
D-Doush the situation that we are in is because of damage done in years past by the Pro's!
now that is bullshit.....we ALL have a impact.....even if we let them go ....
sure the pros smash the fish stocks, but so do we just maybe not to the same extent..
PS Its ironic that I'm sitting here typing this with my Bloodydeck.com Tshirt on....
Agree Salmo, i speak to commercial and its "us" doing the damage.....i speak to recs and its the "commercials" doing the damage..........we ALL have done damage in the past and we ALL still are making an impact atm!
Balanced measures & educated measures will take us forward....there lies the issue!
Interesting discussion and I must agree that simply calling an organisation names is pretty piss weak, just because they didn't go with what you wanted to hear.
No, recfishwest has no affiliation with fishwrecked. But, I fully support the work that RFW and Terry do in promoting information to the public, which ultimately gives you a much better understanding of the issues rec fishers are facing.
I know a lot of you probably see the links Terry posts and go, can't be bothered reading this stuff. This is to your detriment because it is stuff which is going on with our fishery and will help educate you to the issues.
One last thing, I used to be a RFW member but didn't renew my membership as I'm now a department of fisheries employee, but I still have their sticker on my car and believe that their work is valuable in providing a voice for rec fishers. Until the fish for life alliance there has been no real collective representation of rec fisho's compared to the pro's, now thats where balance really starts playing into things!!
I have learnt alot from terrys post in regards to the new rules and regs and updates. You dont really hear any news on fishing on tv and usually before i was a member of this site i would hear about changes by word of mouth. I dont think any organisation will ever please everyone but i reckon its better to have them then not too. JMO
Dean
Posts: 1994
Date Joined: 23/02/07
Recfishwest stands for....
RecYourFishingWA
Not sure why they wanted rec bans to go ahead? But if they wanted bans it should have been for everyone.
HuggyB
Posts: 129
Date Joined: 03/08/08
didn't bother
renewing my membership after the goings on of the last few weeks - 1 year wonder.
knothome
Posts: 1536
Date Joined: 12/11/05
commercial
all the commercial fishermen i know dont like them,they came up in a convesation
on wed i had with some crayfishermen.
cheers dennis
feral1975
Posts: 742
Date Joined: 22/02/07
wreck fish
wreckfishwest
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
Wreckfishwest
yep you blokes are going to wreck it for all of us
VAGABOND
Posts: 269
Date Joined: 04/06/07
The main thing that concerns
The main thing that concerns me is if the govt is getting fed the right information, I would hate to think that someone that hardly steps foot on a boat and mainly catches herring from the beach is informing the govt on what should be done with the new V5 regs because they are part of a fishing organisation? There are alot of people out there with big voices and little Knowledge. What the govt needs to do is have more input from the guys that are regular offshore fisherman with more public meetings, there are many offshore fishing clubs up the coast that would be more than pleased to be invloved with the decission making, That combined with there Scientific evidence which isn't 100% the govt might end up with a better set of regs that will please most people?
NoWorries
Posts: 2862
Date Joined: 10/10/07
LOL
I bet you are getting some PM's fromthis one Diji
Do they sponsor this site????? NO
Or do they sponsor the comercial fisherman????? NO
What does recfishwest stand for?????? No Idea, they deffinately have there own agenda though
Have a great day.
Lindsay
_________________
Here fishy fishy !!
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
Finally proves it- Redneck wonderland
If you blokes dont like the direction that RFW are heading or what management strategies they are supporting (which was a LIMITED clousure) then get off you arses and get involved.
I use to give meat fishers the benefit of doubt when it comes to understanding the issues......but some times the ignorance displayed here is mind blowing.
Keep killing every thing you catch.....post up the pavement shots of your big days you have taking more than you can use immediately......but I promise you one thing if you keep up with this bullshit you will lose in the end.
You are just feeding the Leftwing greeny tree huggers more ammo to use against ALL of us who enjoy the art of angling.
pull your head out of you bum and lighten up
D_DOUSH
Posts: 212
Date Joined: 23/12/07
Totally agree with ya Salmo
Totally agree with ya Salmo somthing has to be done and this is coming from someone who works in a tackle shop and is also a comercial fisherman. I want the next generation to be able to go out and catch a 20kg dhuie instead of sitting in in front of the idiot box playing xbox. Of coarse we are going to have to make sacrafices for the future of our fish stocks, im all for the bans.
And its not like the commercials are getting away with nuthing, we are not alowed to have a fishing line on the crayboats anymore and all fish in pots do have to be returned, sure some might not but we get checked often and most skippers will not risk the hefty fines for 1 snapper.
Deckhand and member of the Gotone Woodvale team
UncutTriggerInWA
Posts: 134
Date Joined: 05/09/08
I resemble that remark!!!!!
OOOOOOOOOOOO a bit of venom!!! I must say though that I agree in a sense. There are all sorts of bullshit comments about this issue and it has been going on since day dot and.... it will always go on. What's the saying?? "you can't run a liniar system in a finite world".... what that means is that unless we address issues of sustainability it is inevitable that things will run out. Salmo is right in that those who feel strongly should join RecfishWest and have your say (for or against). And yes; lets not give the fugging lefties and the tree huggers anything useful to work with!
Cheers, Vince
http://vinceholt.spaces.live.com/
------------------------------
Work Smart - Fish Often
Simon C
Posts: 286
Date Joined: 01/05/07
Meat fisherman
I just don't get the whole Meat Fisherman argument or those here who justify their "right" to bag out because it is the law. Just because you can does not mean you should. If you somehow "justify it" by looking at the cost of KG you are bringing home vs $$ spent then most of us would be better off going to Kailis or similar when we want a feed and sell all our gear. There are those who go fishing, and there are those that go catching. Sadly those who go catching will ruin it for those of us who go fishing.
I could not care less if I could not bring home any fish, as long as there is a fair cahnce that I can have a chance of catching some. Fishing for me is about escaping from work, be it with mates or family, having a good day on the water, using some nice gear, and hopefully catching some fish.
Would I bother if there were no fish out here, obviously not, so we need a balance. Taking a feed is a privilege, not a right, and if we all treat it like that, then there will be fish for our kids to catch.
Aquaculture seems to be one very obvious solution, and I cannot understand why it does not get more coverage. Snapper and Kingfish are great farming fish, not sure on Dhuies but if they could be bred to repopulate urban zones that would be pretty neat.
Rodrat
Posts: 1219
Date Joined: 13/01/07
Aquaculture
Snapper are very easy to farm and you could release thousands a year. Dhuies are not very good to farm.
The last lot that i knew about only got to a sml length and then died.
Dreamweaver
Posts: 4561
Date Joined: 01/12/07
I agree
It much easier to demolish a building than construct one. C'mon guys, give Terry and Co a break. Week after week, I see Terry spending many hours publishing information and responding to questions and commentary, and he does this is numerous forums and totally unpaid.
I absolutely respect your right to have differences of opinion and perspectives - that's healthy.
IMO, Recfishwest does a lot of good work. As Simo said, if you don't like what RFW stands for - get involved and become a comittee member.
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
Yeh sorry for the spit
just sometimes peoples comments just make me want to slit my wrists....and I get grumpy with hayfever
We need to think a bit more before we post something for others to read.....this stuff stays up in cyberspace forever........and it will be our kids reading these archive files looking for why there are no fish left.
If people are passionate about losing access to their favorite sport....and it is a sport angling (....and like all good sportsmen you play by the rules) then put all that juiced up energy into constructive comments, make some positive suggestions.....and take you time to educate the least knowlegable.....coz there are lots out there who arent as a good fisherman...sorry angler as you....
later
luke
Posts: 3163
Date Joined: 14/08/06
i think you will find the
i think you will find the majority of fisho's would be quite ok with bans/closure etc, if they were across the board..end of story...
something has to be done... yes...very true.... bans are a given in my eyes....and a good thing... they need to be across the board though... if a pro boat hasnt met its quota..bad luck..closures are in....
the more info i digest on these topics the better, and i can agree that sometimes what we post doesnt help us one bit...but one thing i cant stand is info that it swayed towards someones agenda
as for your feelings salmo regarding recfish, you are entitled to them.... especially as you have been nominated a board member recfish ......................................
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
Cheers for bring that up Luke
Like some of you blokes I enjoy the sport of angling and eating fish.....
I nominated in the hope of learning more about the management issues surrounding sustainable fishing (for both recs and pros) while maybe trying to offer a balanced view to the board about what anglers out there want.....which is to be able to go fishing for V5 in the future without having a adverse impact....
But if you look at the other nominations you will see much more experienced people than myself so might not get a jumper
cheers buddy ....yes I may have a conflict of interest......not a conflict of conscience...
diji
Posts: 474
Date Joined: 31/03/07
Im all for bag cuts whatever they decide
If i go fishing and can only catch 1 or 2 fish im fine with that i just enjoy going
But to be stopped from catching anything at all while pro's can carry on thats just not on,and that is what recfishwest should be fucusing on just remember who they suppose to represent????
Brody
Posts: 29
Date Joined: 06/02/07
Don't be sorry Salmo. It's
Don't be sorry Salmo.
It's good to see someone so passionate speak out imo.
And for what it's worth I agree with your comments, i believe alot of people need to wake up to the issue, and understand that cutting a few bag limits etc isn't going to make a difference. Our demersals need much, much more protection than what they're recieving atm.
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
get informed diji
RFW are well aware of the fact there is inequity in the original V5 proposal…..the same inequity in the 5% of total allocated catch recs get out of the WRLobster IFM ….
This issue of balance between recs and pro’s was raised with the last minister….strongly by RFW
When you research the management issues further
you will also notice that there has been consessions made for the mid-west drop liners….you can still keep a 41cm pink in kalbarri but not in Lano (45cm Jan09)….again RFW agued that this wasn’t fair and in fact could disadvantage recs AND THE FISH…..snapper aren’t sexually mature till 47-51cm…..the bycatch (which most likely dies) would have increased to way more than acceptable levels (what every that might be
!!!!) for the commercials….so they get to keep the small sizes pinks….
Any fish caught in waters deeper than 35m has a very reduced chance of surviving being released if undersize…..yep a release weight helps, every boat should have one fishing 20+ metres…
this is a BIG problem.....who has the answers?????
get a membership and get informed....
oh and crew that keeping saying RFW should be representing the views of ALL anglers.......I personally think they are ......its just you blokes who dont get it are in the minority
diji
Posts: 474
Date Joined: 31/03/07
Read the papers listen to the radio
I have'nt heard them state anything about the pro's being able to carry on fishing(missed that opurtunity)
GOATRUTAR
Posts: 3659
Date Joined: 12/04/07
I disagree Salmo and think
I disagree Salmo and think that what you have written is bullshit to a degree!
I will have a chat to you as I'm over typing!
But I do respect your opinion I just find that there is too many cracks in Recfishwest's approach!
Colin as for leaving Terry alone,Its not a personal attack just concerned people making sure that all sides are heard!You are out of the ban zone so you do not have to contend with this!
D-Doush the situation that we are in is because of damage done in years past by the Pro's!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Dreamweaver
Posts: 4561
Date Joined: 01/12/07
Out of the zone
Hey Matt, nothing wrong with passion and different points of view.
IMO, for what it's worth, I (as Adam subsequently observed), felt some of the general commentary against RFW was unconstructive.
As for me being out of the ban zone? You're right - I don't have to contend 'with this' - yet!
Like I've said before in other thread, anything that happens within the WCB could set precedents in the SCB, or at least place expectations amongst those with the belief that SCB needs the 'same treatment'. That asside, it's far better I have an interest than be ambivalent.
Besides, me being down here isn't set in concrete. Unforseen circumstances may see me back within the WCB and then, regardless of future SCB developments, I would have to contend with it.
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
GOATRUTAR
Posts: 3659
Date Joined: 12/04/07
Dreamy are you amending
Dreamy are you amending posts again!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Dreamweaver
Posts: 4561
Date Joined: 01/12/07
No Goat
If I did, I'd put an EDIT in
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
GOATRUTAR
Posts: 3659
Date Joined: 12/04/07
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT
Dreamweaver
Posts: 4561
Date Joined: 01/12/07
LOL
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
D_DOUSH
Posts: 212
Date Joined: 23/12/07
Dont get me wrong goat i
Dont get me wrong goat i understand that but measures have been brought in for the pros (Crayfishing boats. Its the wetliners we have to worry about. The fishery is suffering and will only get worse if both pros and rec's both dont do something to change the coarse our demersal fishery is heading. Bring on the bans for both recs and pros i say.
Deckhand and member of the Gotone Woodvale team
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
Matty- fair enough
You are on the water a lot like me ....I too agree that the science put up by fisheries is flawed.....but we dont know do we......better to find out quick eh....
"I just find that there is too many cracks in Recfishwest's approach!"....maybe....maybe not, but I know they mean to do the best for anglers and the fish
and this
D-Doush the situation that we are in is because of damage done in years past by the Pro's!
now that is bullshit.....we ALL have a impact.....even if we let them go ....
sure the pros smash the fish stocks, but so do we just maybe not to the same extent..
PS Its ironic that I'm sitting here typing this with my Bloodydeck.com Tshirt on....
Balance
edit to add more
Ryan Thipthorp
Posts: 2116
Date Joined: 24/08/05
yep!
Agree Salmo, i speak to commercial and its "us" doing the damage.....i speak to recs and its the "commercials" doing the damage..........we ALL have done damage in the past and we ALL still are making an impact atm!
Balanced measures & educated measures will take us forward....there lies the issue!
* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *
Owner/Operator "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South Street, O'Connor, Perth Ph# 9337 5682
GOATRUTAR
Posts: 3659
Date Joined: 12/04/07
Salmo even balance is all we
Salmo even balance is all we want!
This is something that was not going to happen!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Salmo
Posts: 725
Date Joined: 15/08/05
Good talking to you Matt
we are on the same channel....cheers mate
Adam Gallash
Posts: 7813
Date Joined: 29/11/05
Bump
Interesting discussion and I must agree that simply calling an organisation names is pretty piss weak, just because they didn't go with what you wanted to hear.
No, recfishwest has no affiliation with fishwrecked. But, I fully support the work that RFW and Terry do in promoting information to the public, which ultimately gives you a much better understanding of the issues rec fishers are facing.
I know a lot of you probably see the links Terry posts and go, can't be bothered reading this stuff. This is to your detriment because it is stuff which is going on with our fishery and will help educate you to the issues.
One last thing, I used to be a RFW member but didn't renew my membership as I'm now a department of fisheries employee, but I still have their sticker on my car and believe that their work is valuable in providing a voice for rec fishers. Until the fish for life alliance there has been no real collective representation of rec fisho's compared to the pro's, now thats where balance really starts playing into things!!
Rodrat
Posts: 1219
Date Joined: 13/01/07
Keeping up with news
I have learnt alot from terrys post in regards to the new rules and regs and updates. You dont really hear any news on fishing on tv and usually before i was a member of this site i would hear about changes by word of mouth. I dont think any organisation will ever please everyone but i reckon its better to have them then not too. JMO