At that depth I would suspect you might need a glow or scented SP? Not much light at 150m. That and a big jighead if theres any current. Other than that, no clue.

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yes... put one on the usual rig  instead of occy or squid and bang..... first drop... big red..... try it... you will not be dissapointed....

Can be a real pain when doing this - unfortunately they like such presentations and are quick to nab them - and bringing them up from depth isnt good for them or you.

But if you are in an area where they arent present in big numbers it will work for other species.....

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Still plenty of light out in 100m plus water, I have some 6 oz lumo jigs on 8/0 and 10/0 hooks and some big 8 and 10 inch paddle tails , some nice fish come up on them but only ever used them north of the 26th parallel, and only in water to 60 m deep.

Chucked them off Steep point too and got some average snapper on them ( 4 to 6 kilo) and hooked a god size YTK but you hardly ever land the kings up there because they are all horses of 20 kg plus.

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If theres plenty of light at 100m then why use lumo

Light of course still gets down much deeper than 100m in clear water, but then how often is it clear? Point was, in 100m+ of water, you're relying more on smell and artificial light (e.g. lumo) than sunlight illuminating your bait. From what I understand this is true, but happy to be proven wrong.

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you may want to  research hlokk... light gets down over 200m, and from then on it is very very dim till around 1000 m...

here is a link for you...

 http://science.jrank.org/pages/4836/Ocean-Zones-Water-depth-vs-light-penetration.html

a thing to think of is this... most deep water fish have big eyes...for the purpose of seeing easier as they can take more of the available light in...in truely deep dark water...fish use much more of the lumo type of things to attract fish to eat..( deepsea angler fish as a example..) as for us as anglers using lumo squids... i actually believe that the fish see's more of the shape/outline than a colour..reasons for this is i have bought "non lumo" squid attractors, and had just as much success as when i use the lumo ones....and although some fish ( not all) can see colour, it is sometimes more a case of if the fish see's something moving, and that gets its attention... as written here.......

http://www.geocities.com/wwindmills/fishcolor.html

and this can also be seen when sambo jigging in 200m of water....hell they will take a snapper lead retrieved through a school of fish....no lumo there

so who knows....but if you find in  your deepwater experience they work...and are a must have..keep using them... but i sometimes wonder if the extra cost is worth it myself

food for thought....    ;)

luke

ps,seansurfey, try using them on a simple patternoster rig with a snapper lead on the bottom... in a normal current, they will still flutter about as you drift...would work a treat i reckon...   ;)

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Saw that link before posting luke. I dont think I said light doesnt get down, I said at 150m+ theres not going to be heaps of light. I probably didnt explain myself very well though :p. Hopefully I can clarify:

At that depth, theres not a lot of light (there is still some though). A fish 10m away wont see the plastic and come rushing over to it if its a dark shape with no smell (which it might do if it was near the surface in clear water). A fish close by however would be able to make out an outline. However, if theres a scent trail to follow or a glowing light, it will attract fish from a wider range, and therefore have a better hookup rate.

Soft plastics in comparitively shallow water work mostly by visual action and I just dont see how they could work as effectively very deep down without scent or some light attractant (wouldnt nessicarily have to be on the SP itself though). If you had a paddletail SP it would also give off vibrations the fish could pick up, but I dont know the range.

edit: from the second link: "...making a glowing bait enhancer important for increasing the strike zone"

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no worries... you obviously havent seen footage of the sambo aggs... it is light down there most of the time....no need for torches.... also, how many fish do you see that glow??? not that many i reckon.....if it was a really important factor, most fish caught from the deep ( 100m - 200 m) would glow.... most dont!!!

i do agree that there is no harm in using them... and they would probably attract fish from a distance.... but if your on good ground, and the fish are biting..you will catch them regardless of what you use....

fish use smell and sight and vibrations to hunt... when bait fishing.... my bait doesnt glow... it does however smell... and when drifting through water... it would still send out some vibration just from the drift itself....

i must say, i do use the lumo squids... but i sometimes wonder if they are worth it.....

luke

ps, mav knows a thing or two about deepwater fishing..... much much more experience and knowledge has been shared with him, than you or i could ever get!!!

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Of course the fish dont glow, if they did they would all be eaten! lol. Not being eaten is a great thing if you are a fish, but not if you're my bait. Also, how many fish do you know that dont smell or dont move :p Scenting your SP's or something in the vicinity is going to help.

Maverick, when are you going to take me out deep and teach me a few things first hand

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The light intensity will diminish with depth, but most colour is lost after 70 odd meters.

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I have seen underwater footage out the back of rotto in 100 meters plus and there is plenty of light you would be suprised just how light it is

a couple of pics from the hillarys aggs... not my pics, (originally posted by garry lilley on another site), and used to prove a point... i didnt want to post a link as they seem to be deleted pretty quickly, but i can pm it for you if you would like....... water is 100m or so...

dont see much glowing goin on... ;)

luke

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good one luke, great pics there and proves to a few people that it still can be light down deep, yes water clarity helps but the other way out is to tie a few concrete slabs around ya legs and get lowered down and see first hand, unsented of course so you dont get eaten

or that you dont glow

luke

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funny how when we fished out around the 100m mark, I was using Glow stick and the are quite bright. While I had those on caught nothing. But as soon as I removed them started catching Pink snapper and Red snapper.

... even worse at night i reckon... too bright!!

luke

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I have had some good catches with the strobe lights during the day out on the Derwent , well that was untill a B I G  bitey decided to eat the fish and rig I had on at the time , sad way to lose $10 worth of rig .

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Most fish are colorblind, fish can see color shadings, reflected light, shapes and movement!

Up to 200m there's light, when you go over that edge the light penetration really drops off. Sean, im using big 5-8inch grubs & snapbacks (pinks/glows/whites etc) with Gamakatsu extra wide G-lock hooks on my patternoster rigs. If the current/drift allows i'll use the H/D TT jig heads by themselves with the same SP's!

Technique, eratic small jig-n-twicth
technique and always work it up a bit further than expected and if no hits drop it back to the strike zone. With the patternoster rigs i use the rod to make the SP rise/create action, not the same but works in deeper water & currents etc.....mix it up!

HTH

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