Your thoughts!

Okay, there's a few Fishing charter boats working Perth metro area and what they offer you can vary so much. I know from being on many fishing charters and working as a decky had me thinking back then on how a charter boat should operate IMO

There's many members here that go on fishing charters and i'll throw a few questions up and i'd like your thoughts please (will be used)

* Do people prefer to fish shallower water or deeper if they're getting good fish that is?
* Do people prefer to travel less and do more fishing (easy answer i know)?
* Do people prefer to use proper overhead reels with braid or an alvey with a stiff rod and mono?
* What bait do people like using?
* Do you like whole baits or cut up?
* Do you like to have breakfast supplied if so what?
* Do you like to have a lunch as part of the price and if so what?
* Do people prefer to take their fish home whole or would like it filleted?
* Whats a fair price with everything thrown in $200/$220?
* Do people like overnighter Fishing trips ie going North a bit?
* Whats peoples thoughts on night Fishing charters?
* Would there be expression's of interest on jigging charters for bottom species?
* What time do people like to leave and come back...7am - 3pm?

* LAST but certainly not least, What is your critisism's of previous charters that you didn't like (please no Company names mentioned or long story's Thanks)??

There's something happening down the track re what i'm asking but please no discussion on that until latter.....thanks in advance!


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Hi Ryan

Sun, 2008-02-10 11:01

Ok personaly,
I like traveling as little as poss and as much time fishing as poss!Bait wise not bothered. I like to use my own gear overhead with braid, love to have brekky and meals on the boat, prefer fishing under 50 metres of water.Prefer to have my fish filleted but whole is fine. $200 is fair. 6am or 7am depart and return 3 or 4pm.
Been on a few charters and the negative bits on all would be to many people at once fishing and to much travelling to get to spots i.e 2 plus hours. Wouldnt mind trying a night charter and i love over nighters.
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I agree

Sun, 2008-02-10 12:09

Rodrat sums it up for me apart from the cost. I maybe a bit of a tight arse although I dont think I am but I think $200 bucks is a bit steep for a days fishing especialy with the catches on some charters these days...I could go out on my boat and catch just as little. and also with reduced bag limits, I realise the cost of fuel is a determining factor but $150 seems about right. Negatives? lets see, leading people to think they are going to catch a load of fish with their pictures in brochures etc when we all know this is the exception rather than the rule. constantly drifting over lumps waisting time when theres no fish home and having to travel 2 1/2 hour before you wet a line and having too many people fishing just leads to tangles and also a big one how many charters just cater for the tourist where he/she will be happy if they catch a little snapper rather than experienced fishermen who know what the skipper should be doing but isn't.

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Yeah got to say the longer

Sun, 2008-02-10 12:16

Yeah got to say the longer trips are a drag.
when you travelling 4-4.30 hours hat a lot of fishing time you lose out on.

I dont mind packing my own food. Paying an extra 30 bucks for a roll and drinks I could supply my own

Night fihing is good, better is the traveling time is reduced to get more fish.

Only done an over nighter once outta Darwin. Ilike the idea of extended trips but this was a shocker.
Heading out to the islands the Skipper changed the course as it was a little rough and 3 people were chucking over the side.
Then he pulling into a river and got stranded by the tide so missed the good tides on the reef.

No 1 tip there, go with an experenced skipper.

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Sun, 2008-02-10 12:28

Hi There Rhino you finally getting on with the charter (hope not in the Shittley oh sorry Whittley lol)I think the key for you is if you charge $200 you have to get your moneys worth for that price i would want breaky lunch and half time entertainment .As far as long trips once again entertainment to keep your guests amused i suggest Strippers and booze .I like to leave early as but know some times you need to travel a while to get to some good spots. I suppose you really need to cater for a wide varitey of clients e.g Jigging ,bottom bashing,overnighters, local, further north,Short trips,Cruises, Partys what ever you decide best of luck with it (do i get a discount hahaha )CHEERS SHAG

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Agree wif shag

Sun, 2008-02-10 13:17

Strippers and topless deckies!!!
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hehehe

Sun, 2008-02-10 14:22

hehehe...my boats a Savage Escape Shag :)....i cant afford a Whitley but i have got some lovely new stuff on it and it gets fish :)

Okay for my thoughts on these questions as an ex decky/ex punter on charter boats;

I prefer to fish shallow water, less sinker weight and more fun/fight. Providing there's good fish i'm happy to stay in closer.

Hated travelling for 1.5-2.5 hours one way, takes away too much fishing time and the boat still see's it as a day however....not in my book.

Alveys with broom stick rods and mono supplys no feel nor fun factor imo, gotta have braid and an O/H reel with a rod that has a bit of tippy to it.

I like ocky & squid, some whole & some cut up.

Breaky, haven't had many charters that have supplied that back then but a hotdog is a good start/late'ish breaky.As for lunch, yes good.... either a BBQ or fresh samo's.

I'd rather take fish home whole, then i can decide what i want to do with it but not too many boats fillet fish for ya from what i've seen. $200 seems right for price, you pay for what you get these days.

Used to do overnighter's at Lano/Cervantes/Jurien etc and they we're fun, get to fish sundown/during the night and sunup....got some good fish doing that.

Night charters are fun, different atmosphere and i rate them but you sometimes have to work a bit harder that's all.

Bottom jigging, he'll yeh and the reward of the capture is so much more greater....very niche stuff but very do-able also. Time frame, 6am - 4pm and for me the really early charters ie 3-4am starts etc wear you out and the fish dont always bite well on the sunup excluding pinks imo

Critisism's of previous charters, not enough bait and quality issue's, average gear supplied ie mono/alveys and doing long drifts over bugger all.

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Ryan!

Sun, 2008-02-10 16:18

Mate!

Lots of questions LOL! But good though!

For me? Well; I actually don't mind travelling a while if you get into good fish! When a boat stops, I want action! Having said that, if I travel 30 mins and catch 'average fish' vs 2.5 hours for excellent fish, personally, I'll take the 2.5 hours.

Gear, hell yes! Dont want broom poles and 650i DDs, want decent gear, that will add to the experience. But guess most charters have to go level winds vs NLWs for obvious reasons.

Food on board? Yes! As long as the price is reasonable, doesn't deteriorate the convenience factor, if you know what I mean!

Depth - anything up to 120m and definately braid, unless we're trolling.

Bait? Definately - when 'bait is supplied' that's what it means.

People that I've talked to about charters, go into it for the overall, hassle free experience.   

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

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just imo

Sun, 2008-02-10 16:32

i think the travelling time is too great but then in metro areas sometimes you have to go that far...i dont like moving around that much..more time moving = less time fishing......i like the idea of taking my own gear( some dont let you) lunch would be a good thing when paying $180+ for a days fishing...and if you have an experienced skipper and he or she puts u on to fish well thats a bonus......
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Hmmmm cost= kilo's

Sun, 2008-02-10 19:16

Ryan is on to  it.....

 

One question though is:

Do we consider the quality/enjoyment of the days charter determined by the number of kilos they bring back (or lack of)

 

I dont mind travelling....music would be good.....

I hate josling for a postion with 20 other 100lb mono lines/people to try and jag 1kg skippy.....

Much rather smaller groups....more personal service

 $200 is fair.....the price of fuel, wages, tucker....would expect not much less...small group might even expect to pay more

GOOD Coffee and a toastie would be good if the boat leaves early...

I want lunch...even if its a roll with a burnt sausage in it.....and cold water/drink....

I would not mind sharing the catch as long as I got to pick the best of what I personally caught.....least every body goes home with fish

Filleting back at the jetty is we are so lucky

If no filleting at least a plastic bag to put your fish in.....most people forget to bring something

Maybe charter operators should be taking more note of anglers details so to keep the communications going after the trip.....return anglers and word of mouth is very powerful in a small town like Perth.....even monthly email "Reports" could be useful in encouraging repeat anglers......keep em keen

Niche

Jigging demersals isnt for newbies....its not like powerjigging sambo's

Just my two bobs

Nice thread Ryan

 

 

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Not Necessarily

Sun, 2008-02-10 19:28

I dont just think it's about cost=Kilos but a lot of charters these days you can go all day with barely a bite and if you do get one it turns out to be a sergeant baker or something the good fish are few and far between on some charters even if you dont like to eat fish you may like to catch decent ones and return them.
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That just sounds like a normally day fishing mate

Sun, 2008-02-10 19:40

cant expect to catch fish every tripLaughing

 

would be nice....but near impossible

 

Would people without a boat prefer to go chase big fish in deep water....go home with a poor bag....

Or go out close for half a day and take home a good feed of King George whiting?????......doesnt have the same ring uhna

 

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Your right Salmo

Sun, 2008-02-10 19:46

It does sound like a normal days fishing...I just dont want to spend $200 Plus to do it!!
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Look at it this way though Fishy

Sun, 2008-02-10 19:56

Your own boat

say you fish 40-60m mark from Hillarys.....3 blocks of mulies maybe 1kg of some nice local occy.

 Costs

Fuel average would be $70.00 for the day.....

bait $45.00 with the good occy

lunch $10 if you brought it

lost tackle...jigs say $20.00

wear and tear on the boat and trailer $20.00

Thats a healthy cost list but realistically....could cost you $150.00

ok you can take a mate and half the cost, but what if he doesnt contribute????

fishin aint cheap

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Add

Sun, 2008-02-10 20:02

Once you add the cost of the boat as well Salmo that cost goes up to about $1000 a trip.

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PM sent ryan

Sun, 2008-02-10 20:06

PM sent ryan

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Yeh Tim......

Sun, 2008-02-10 20:06

I agree....

plus rego, insurance....pink slips with the bride ( they cost money....or blood)

non boat owners need to think about this when they book a charter.....

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overboard

Sun, 2008-02-10 20:13

I think you may have gone overboard with your costings there salmo and besides my crew always offer to split the cost. the point is I'm not paying a charter skipper $200 plus for the same day's fishing and if you take a couple of mates on the charter with you thats $600 plus. and if you start to wheigh up the cost of owning and running a boat it takes the pleasure away from it, spending that sort of money using your own boat is better than spending it on a charter. Just my opinion I know we all look at it differently and nothing wrong with that
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1) I guess it depends on the

Mon, 2008-02-11 08:06

1) I guess it depends on the conditions and what gear they supply.
2) More fishing for me. It is frustrating when they drive out for an hour or more, you drop your line down and then they move again, and again and again
3)Definately the overhead. Trying to winch up the Alvey when they keep moving as sopon as you hit the bottom is a pain. Also be nice o feel the bites with the braid, especially if they take you out deep.
4) The main thing is it has to be fresh. I bhave been on one charter where the only person catching anyhting was the guy who brought his own fresh mulies.
5) Not too fussed. YHou can change to what you like after yoiu have assessed the situation.
6) Something solid is good. Sanwiches or sausages on a bun is fine
7) Happy to take my own lunch as I can eat whenever I want.
8) Prefer they fillet it myself. I am not that great on the knife and it is a lot easier to carry if they fillet.
9) Depending on the service, but if it is good I would pay $200 easy. If they supplied a prime service with live baits, etc I would pay a fair bit more.
10) Love to do an overnighter, as long as there is plenty of fishing.
11) Never tried one, but would love to give it a go one day so0on.
12) Definately love to do that. As long as I had the right gear or they supplied it.
13) The earlier the better.

14) DEFINATELY not too many people. Crap gear. Spent to much time driving around. The bait wasn't fresh. The skipper put himself on the best spot.
I love to go out on charters - not having my own boat - but even with my wife offering to pay for me as a Xmas present and birthday present, I just didn't think it was worth it from the crap experiences I have had.
I went out twice with one pretty well known charter and there was only one fish caught between the both days.

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IMO

Mon, 2008-02-11 09:32

For a full days fishing i think $200 is ok.
And as for adding up what it cost to take ya boat out fishing and worrying about it, well you shouldn't have bought a bloody boat in the first place. A boat imo is a pleasure luxury item and if you cant afford to run it without moaning about what it cost to run then sell it!!!!!


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for alot of people who dont

Mon, 2008-02-11 09:46

for alot of people who dont have boats i just think value for money is getting a deckie spot on a boat from the forums, more personalised and alot cheaper and can learn alot more, myself ive only been on 1 charter in perth and was a little disappointed, they run out of bait midway thru the day, didnt come back with a huge amount of fish, though they did try hard, imo without food and drink $150 is fair, up to 200 for brekky, lunch and drinks supplied, oh and a topless female deckie, bait bitch wouldnt go astray either, haha

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my views

Mon, 2008-02-11 09:53

* Do people prefer to fish shallower water or deeper if they're getting good fish that is?
no brainer, shallow is a lot less effort to wind in and better chance of C&R with less barotrauma, if you getting good fish.

* Do people prefer to travel less and do more fishing (easy answer i know)?
Less time traveled = more time too fish, sure we do, unless you traveling out to the FAD's or Sambo jigging, then the destination is the target.

* Do people prefer to use proper overhead reels with braid or an alvey with a stiff rod and mono?
Please give me a quality O?D or even a quality eggbeater like a BTR4500 instead of Alvey, I'd rather pay an extra $15 to get better gear to use.

* What bait do people like using?
Easy to hook on, I'm all for Occy, squid and cubed fish on charters. I also like to have a varity, to ensure I have the best chances of a catch.

* Do you like whole baits or cut up?
cubes if circle hooks being used and a few strips of squid.

* Do you like to have breakfast supplied if so what?
I think it would be nice, to get a glass of ornage juice and a muffin for breakfast.

* Do you like to have a lunch as part of the price and if so what?
I think a simple lunch of sandwedges and fruit is perfect, for a days fishing. Even oatmeal biscuits ( ANZACs) go down well.

* Do people prefer to take their fish home whole or would like it filleted?
nice to get a pic of your fish and then let the pro-fillet it for you. Only time I'd take it whole home is if it's a bragging rights fish and I need my Mrs to see it...

* Whats a fair price with everything thrown in $200/$220?
Days charter no lunch and alveys :$150
Days charter with light snack lunch and quality gear etc, $220~250 if the deck is good and skipper is on the job.

* Do people like overnighter Fishing trips ie going North a bit?
I'd love to do a 24 hour trip, pushing out Sat morning early and getting back sunday arvo around 2pm.

* Whats peoples thoughts on night Fishing charters?
I use to fish a lot at night and would like to do more 4pm to 2am charters.

* Would there be expression's of interest on jigging charters for bottom species?
nice to end off the day jigging with a few bottom fish. As the jigging can be hell if you un-fit and want to enjoy a little relaxing fishing

* What time do people like to leave and come back...7am - 3pm?
Out of harbour at 6am latest and back in at 3pm latest.

* LAST but certainly not least, What is your critisism's of previous charters that you didn't like (please no Company names mentioned or long story's Thanks)??
Skippers more interested in his own fish, deckies that don't know their stuff, cr@p gear and line, with blunt hooks. no gimbles for rods and lastly not looking after his fishign grounds and hammering the same spots every time. AND FAR TOO MANY LINE SIN THE WATER!!!

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Who was moaning- read the post properly

Mon, 2008-02-11 10:09

who was moaning......Frown

 

Just highlighting the fact that even if you take your own boat it cost big money to go fishing....

If I was so up tight about what it costs to go fishing I would not be out there at least twice a week now would I....

cant do much now days for $200....

 

 

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Salmo

Mon, 2008-02-11 10:19

Wasnt directed at you. It was a general comment, u take it personaly!
I have read so many posts on this site were people have moaned about the money it cost for fuel and bait etc...
Thats all, i dont belive your name was mentioned!


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Ho hum

Mon, 2008-02-11 10:46

My mistake then.....seems I was the person that raised the issue of cost associated from running your own boat....

 

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IMO

Mon, 2008-02-11 10:36

Water depth doesn't matter as long asthere are fish worth catching.
travel as long as there are good fish but not more than a couple of hours to be fare.
profer quality overhead reel with braid for bottom and mono for trolling.
Bait, fresh cubes, squid, occy or mulies.
Would go on a charter that supplied lunch and breaky over one that didn't any day and water and cool drinks(nothing extraviggent sangers and the like).
Fish should be prepared as requested by the angler not to hard to do either with experience.
Price depends on numbers on the boat less people more personal service $200-300. Lots of people and tangles with each hook up, (hate that) up to $200.
Over night fishing charters are good if you want to do a long trip and do alot of catch and release or fish grounds not accessable from smaller craft.
If to night it would wont to know the target species first if just catching sharks not really interested.
Jigging bottom fish would be good for the experience if the charter got on to regular fish if not a wholr lot of energy for little reward may upset some anglers.
6-7:00am to 3:30-5:00pm (on my boat 12hrs not uncommon).
Worst experience on a charter.
Went out travelled for 2hrs. started fishing was not aloud to release any fish (as I had no storage for the fish I didn't wont to keep any) caught the boats Quoater in about 45mins then back to shore we went the decky even fished and was not willing to bait my misses hook. Got back to shore the they tried to tell me I had to take the fish bloody idiots (I did told them I did not want any fish to keep) at $200 a head 10 people on board that was crap.

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yeah was you salmo, but fair

Mon, 2008-02-11 10:48

yeah was you salmo, but fair point, with the price of fuel for the boat, bait etc, and even taking into account getting your boat to the boat ramp, two rocks for me is 60ks each way that 120km of towing, and the price of lpg, it makes for a pretty expensive day and a valid point that you did add too imo

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As said before

Mon, 2008-02-11 11:02

on this and other forum topics if your going to make the cost of fuel, running and maintaining a boat, bait etc an issue then sell the boat cos you'll get no pleasure from it if you have to wheigh up the cost's every time you want to go fishing as salmo said "fishin aint cheap" Well neither is boating!

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what I'd go for

Mon, 2008-02-11 11:19

nice well done out and able to cruise at 25knots ~ 28knots boat say 6,5m to 7,5m centre consul, fishing max of five anglers. Quality gear, light snags for lunch and juice to drink ( nothing flash needed).... for that kind of private charter, 5x$250 = $1,250. If fuel is 250L then cost of day is $375 + $150 for the deckie ( or you get a deckie that fishes for half price)+ skippers income $500~600. Is it worth it for him, who knows, but I know it works in the barra regions and other places around the globe.... and even in areas like Adelaide and southern towns in that region....must be a market for small number charters on quality boats and personal service

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One other thing

Mon, 2008-02-11 11:50

It would be REALLY great if a charter operator responded to your contacts and let you know if they have a space available. I don't know how many messages I have left and had no reply. The charter operator must remember he is a service provider and that he relies on custom. He may think he has a lot of work on and plenty of customers in the middle of summer and he doesn't really need to let callers know if there is a spot available. But I am sure they will be chasing numbers when the school holidays and summer ends. I certainly won;t be calling those companies who couldn't be bothered responding to my messages if I do decide to go on a charter again.
That my whine for the day.
Ryan. It would be really great to have a professional, quality charter operator in Perth. Someone who knows what he is doing and thinks of the fishermen and the fish, not his bottom line.
If I could find one I would be out there tomorrow. I have five months long service to use up.

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fishing syndicates

Mon, 2008-02-11 12:44

somthing I have only seen on the east coast and over seas, but not here in WA.

4 to 5 guys buy a 26 footer ( normaly the likes of a Boston Whaler or Trophy or Crady White center consul) then have it in a syndicate for fishing. Usage in normaly split evenly ( as your day as skipper), but they fish with each other on their nominated days, so no sole use. This brings down the layout to about $20k each and about $100 per month each for insurance, maintenace etc. Fuel on such a day would be easily $300, which works out to $60 each!
Where boats are financed in the scheme, a monthly repayment of say $1800~2000 is easily made up by $400 each contributions etc. You often see these syndicates for yaghts and day cruisers, but seldom for fishing rigs.

I wonder why????

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Time spent fishing is the

Mon, 2008-02-11 12:47

Time spent fishing is the most important thing to me. Eight hours of actual fishing time would be great. Not fussed if I have to bring my own gear and food. Maybe that should be an option. If you bring all your own gear you get a better price.

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perspective!

Mon, 2008-02-11 18:50

Thanks for people's thoughts, more the better but lets not get off subject. I'ts not about "is it beter to go out on someone else's boat" that's not the perspective of my post!!!!!

A charter boat with 20 years experience and thousands of very good fishing co-ords/spots is worth every peny!

Please keep your thoughts coming on charter stuff as i posted....that's what i'm chasing ;)

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Charters - who is REALLY in charge.

Sun, 2008-02-24 01:15

Great idea asking prospective clients what they want from the charter operator.

Because its the client who pays and the client who can and should, dictate what his money buys him.

Individually anglers cannot have much influence - but as a group the whole package is wide open. The anglers just have to understand what it is the Charter Operator/Captain requires to make his business a runaway success.

That is: Regular bookings for a secure business, good catches for good publicity, respect for his work and authority and competent skilled anglers.

Here is how this has been achieved in a real life example:

My Club has a membership of individual anglers (members), each member pays a 'joining fee' (approx 150% of a place on a charter), this money is banked by the Club Secretary under the Club name, interest earned is for 'communication purposes'.

Club Secretary contacts the Very Best Charter Operators with the following offer:-

The Club will book 12 charters, 1 charter per month, and pay IN FULL for 1st charter immediately, this becomes the 'rolling deposit'. The Charter Operator is required to pick THE BEST areas/tides and species available for each monthly date.

Members Fishing: 2/3weeks before each charter date Club Sec. contacts members by mail with date, species to be targeted and style of fishing.  Club members that want to go on the trip contact Club Sec. and reserve a place - first come, first served, their 'joining fee' is then allocated to their reservation.

On the fishing day: the Club Sec (or person deputising) collects each members share of the charter fee and pays the Charter Operator, who retains the 'rolling deposit' for the next fishing date.

Club Rules: If an angler with a reservation doesn't turn up, his joining fee' is reduced by his share of the daily charter fee. If this is then not 'topped-up' no more reservations will be accepted by the Club Sec. but the member still receives info on fishing dates.

If angler/s miss the departure time of the boat he is considered to have 'not turned up'. The boat ALWAYS leaves at the same time, no exceptions. If on-one turns up at departure time the Captain takes the charter fee from the rolling deposit because he was ready and committed so why should his business suffer?    

Specifics: All catch add and divide, special fish retained by angler, all members supply cool-boxes, Captain supplies ice. Everyone assists in cleaning the boat, all fish are filleted by anglers and Deckie, Deckie paid decent tip for 'help and assistance' (collected aside from the anglers), Deckie can only fish with all anglers consent, all Deckie fish go into collective catch, Deckie cannot take any fish without anglers consent.

Bait: All bait is an extra, Captain supplies only the Very Best (live or dead) and each angler pays his share whether or not they use it.

Angler benefits: No hassle booking or who your fishing with. Individual skill levels develop fast because co-operative effort = maximum results. Clearly understood arrangements, no favouritism. No one is penalised by another - even if only one angler turns up for the charter it still goes ahead. The Captain already has his fee in the rolling deposit (replaced soon after by Club Sec from reservations). Regular association establishes a strong bond between members and with Captain and Deckie, 

Charter Operator/Captain Benefits: Secure continuous bookings allows sound financial planning, confidence in anglers ability allows high yield marks and specific opportunities to be targeted, big bags and record fish can be captured with regularity.     

I know this system works, my Club has run for over 20years and we've used the same Captain for the past 14. We respect our Captain and his long term Deckie and in return he has given us many record fish and uncountable big bags of fish of up to and over 2tons.

It just requires a little organisation.

 

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Sounds interesting Mick

Mon, 2008-02-25 08:34

Sounds like a good idea. Power to the people (fisherpeople).

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What has happened to

Mon, 2008-04-21 16:31

What has happened to this?

Has a new enterprise started up yet?

If not, itss it likely to?

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Perhaps too late, but

Mon, 2008-04-21 16:57

Perhaps too late, but thought I might add my comments anyways:

Would be great if more places offered half day trips like they do over east. Head out before dawn, get back around midday and half the price.

The other good thing would be one that only takes a few guys out instead of 15-20. E.g. smaller boat to keep the costs similar or less.

Did two charters overeast, one was crowded (and 'only' 10 or so people), and the guys werent that great (just general attitude - more catch any fish and chuck in ice, crappy bait, not much emphasis on fishing a good time). Then the other was two people (me and gf as one other guy cancelled). The guy was really friendly and knowledgeable. Guess which was more enjoyable. Both were halfdays just over $100.

I think for the experience, atmosphere, number of people, cheaper, etc its better just to go out with someone who has a boat, but they usually arent available on demand :P (maybe I need to build up a network though...)

 

There was one charter I saw which only took out 6 people max and would end up costing $170, or $100 for a halfday that go out to the fads (guess if you had all 6 you could do whatever), except that they closed shop and headed to broome due to bad fishing here :( 

 

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Last I heard from Ryan, it

Mon, 2008-04-21 18:19

Last I heard from Ryan, it is still likely to go ahead at the end of the year.

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It is funny

Mon, 2008-04-21 18:28

I was thinking about this post this morning after I saw a Mills Charter boat go out with heaps of people on board all trying to jockey to get behind an Alvey reel. It will be great of Ryan can get something up and running.

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YEah Well He mentioned the

Mon, 2008-04-21 20:34

YEah Well He mentioned the changes etc that are going to happen, but thinks it will still go ahead.

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Holkk

Tue, 2008-04-22 09:09

I think the problem with half day carters here is it takes a half day traveling there and back to get to decent spots....who would want to pay a hundred bucks to travel 2.5 hours turn round and head back in!
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I'm not too sure where all

Tue, 2008-04-22 09:30

I'm not too sure where all the good spots are :p My guess is that halfday charters could go to cockburn sound or 3 mile or 5 fathom or something like that. Not as good as some others but then you're paying half the price :p.

The halfday ones I did over east were in Coffs Harbour and the Daintree, so its probably easier to do them as theres more fish there I guess.

 

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My thoughts/experiences

Tue, 2008-04-22 09:52

I do not have a boat so I have been on a fair few charters.  Here are my thoughts:

* If the fish are there I prefer fishing in shallower water.  I hate fishing with massive leads just to hold bottom. You lose the feel of bites, etc.  I also hate having to wind up from 100-200m down when something takes your bait or you catch a smal crappy fish.
* Travel less = fish more.  Onyl good way to travel is if you are trolling.

* Definitely good gear such as good o/h or eggbeaters and a good rod.  I hate the broomstick and alveys and refuse to go on a boat with winches.  The tackle used says a lot about a charter.
* Any, whatever catches fish.  Livebaits (can be fun to catch also), dead baits, lures, jigs, etc.
* Cut or whole baits, whatever works at the time.

* Only if it is something really good, but generally I prefer to keep costs down and take my own.  Why pay $30 for a couple of sandwiches? A nice warm cup of coffee/tea goes a long way.
* I like to take fish whole but gutted/scaled/etc.  They can be filleted back at the ramp.  It is good for the angler to show off at the boat ramp and also GREAT advertising for the charter operator if people are standing aroudn looking.  I take note of the charter operator's name when he comes back with very good fish on board, as long as they dont abuse bag limits -this really gets my goat.  After all how many fish can one person eat!! I have had skippers who keep taking fish even when I don't want any more.  This is irresponsible on their behalf, why take fish for mates, people at the pub,etc.
* I too am a bit tight.  $150 to catch table fare (plate sized snapper, etc) is reasonable but I think $200 is ok for bigger sportfish etc.  Depends what you are targetting.

* I haven't done an overnight trip yet.  Costs are prohibitive.
* I would love to do an overnight fishing charter.
* Love jigging and a jigging charter would be good fun.
* I like charters that work hard to get fish and spend the whole day out there.  6am to 4pm.

* I have had charters that treat you like a fishing rookie regardless of your experience.  This really irks me.  I listen to people and take advice but I know how to do some things.

The best charter I have been on, and i have used this bloke on a number of occasions, is a guy who charges less than most (most boats in the area are about $1200-1500 per day he is $750).  He is nothing fancy, no deckie, a small boat but he fishes hard all day.  Will do whatever it takes to put you onto fish and will fish 6am to 5-6pm if need be to get you some fish.  He has taken us out reef fishing but ended up jigging or trolling in order to get us onto fish.  Ntohing is too hard for him.

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As far as attitudes, skill

Tue, 2008-04-22 11:06

As far as attitudes, skill and friendliness go, I think if Ryan or Honsu was doing it there would be no complaints Wink (though, I doubt theyd be personally taking it, but i'd still trust them to put good people on).


Agree with GusG on the tackle. Wheres the fun in winching them up on high torque alveys (especially if they have 100lb line or something ridiculous). Would be good to have the option of using your own gear. One thing that irks me is using mono in 80m of water. You can barely tell whats happening, though I guess with that many lines out braids not too practical (I would assume if there was an option to use braid you'd bring your own, or they'd only have 1 or 2 combos setup for it).

 

GusG, are you able to PM me the name of the guy you went out with? (and what area?)

 

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okay!

Tue, 2008-04-22 18:25

One of our cray boats had a guts full of crayfishing after so many years and it's a hard slog. I had one guy tell me today there's "no poor crayfisherman"....i said "i bet ya your wrong and i'll show ya/put money on it".....he declined!!!!!!!!!!

As far as the charters concerened, i beleive Minister Ford will implement the ban and from what i have been advised it's done & dusted so we're still looking at doing the SPV charter but we'll customise it to suit the changes & keep the boat active in something my step bro wants to do!

 

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