west coast bioregion fishing rules
gday just thought I would put a few of my frustrations out there after reading the guide to fishing in perth local waters.first point is at the beginning of the book it shows daily bag limits for pink snapper dhufish,ect and states through these pages,"for boat limits,see page 37",page 37 does not mention anything regarding boat limits and I am inclined to believe that if you have ,eg,3 people with fishing licences that you can take 2 pink snapper each,is this correct?Secondly on page 43 it states,"to protect fish and there habitats some activities are banned.In particular you are not allowed to:use fish traps or pots of any kind [except lobster pots and octopus trigger traps,use dredges,obstruct any bays,rivers " ect,but the one that gets me is where it says "you are not allowed to jag or deliberately foul hook fish with baitless hooks."once again the way I read that is that no one should be trolling lures or jigging for fish and as they include squid in there book I would consider using squid jigs a big no no to ,there are a few grey areas throughout the guide as they call it are there any fisho,s out there with a law degree that can enlighten me on these hard to follow "guides".cheers.
fishy fingers
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Big difference
Jigging and Jagging are completely different things when Jigging the fish choose to bite you lure Jagging is when you throw a baitless hook and drag it through a school when they are densely packed and get the hook caught anywhere in the fish
seadog-1967
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trolling
cheers nd thanks for the reply as far as trolling goes isnt that pretty much dragging a baitless hook through the water and through schools of fish, I have foul hooked dolphin fish, spanish mackerel and a thumping pink snapper in the tail what are your thoughts on that, appreciate your comments, cheer.
fishy fingers
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in theory yes
but the difference is the lure as in you are trying to "Lure "the fish to strike and NOT intending to foul hook it
but it can happen
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The chapter starts on page 37
The chapter starts on page 37 and you read through to page 38. You can have ten people on board and all catch 2 pinkies each there is no boat limit for them. Only Dhuies in the demersal fish species. I think crabs and Squid also have a boat limit. I had this clarified by recfishwest.
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seadog-1967
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fishing guide
thanks for your reply so I,m taking 8 licened people out we can come home with 16 pink snapper 8 dhufish as it only mentions charter boat limits for them 2 baldchin each 2 breaksea each and 2 red snapper each a total of 72 fish somehow I dont think I, ll get a good reception, can you recall who you spoke to at recifish, and thanks again for your comments.
Tradewind
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Not sure if you're being
Not sure if you're being facetious about the clarity of the rules, but in case you're not here's an explanation
If you had 8 people on a recreational boat you could still only take 2 Dhufish for the whole boat.
The demersal fish are bundled into one category so each person can only have two demersals regardless of species (Except Dhufish. 1 per fisher or none if the two boat limit is reached)
Three people go out
Person 1: Pink snapper & Dhufish
Person 2: Baldchin & Dhufish
The third person if he catches a Dhufish cannot keep it as the boat limit has already been reached.
Luckily he catches a Baldchin and a Breaksea which means he has caught the limit of demersal fish for himself.
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Sorry Tradewind
The nope, read again comment was not directed at you, just in case you thought so!
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It's alright buddy, was
It's alright buddy, was directed at the OP
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Nope
Read again!
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seadog-1967
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boat limits page 37
gday, when you say read again is there a page I have missed and I mean that sincerely as every page I have read finishes with, "note for boat limits refer to page 37".cheers..
DTrain
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Don't come back to the jetty
Don't come back to the jetty with 8 dhufish and 72 demersals on board or you will get fined...
With 8 people you are limited to 2 demersals each so a combined total of 16 demersals for the entire boat.
There is also a boat limit of 2 dhufish per boat so you would have to share the 2 dhufish between all 8 of you.
So you can catch 2 dhufish + 14 snapper = 16 demersals
Or 2 dhufish + 4 baldchin + 6 snapper + 4 breaksea cod = 16 demersals
Or just 16 snapper = 16 demersals.
Obviously 3 dhufish would be too many, and any more than 16 total demersals would be too many.
seadog-1967
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boat limits
thanks for your comment, so lets take 6 dhufish off the boat leaving only 2 on board and I cant find that in the guide only where it mentions charter boats but that still suggests 8 of us can bring back 66 demercal fish thats including the 2 dhufish, not being a smartass but cant see fisheries being happy with that if you have read the guide can you tell me what page you found demercal boat limits on as the beggining of the guide contiously tells you its on page 37, yours sincerely.
franke
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page 8
hey seadog check page 8
seadog-1967
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page 8
thanks for that and the dhufish is the only one that has a boat limit attached to it, to me it still says at the bottom of that page,"note if fishing from a boat see page 37".still on page 8, once again 8 people on board,16 hapuka and one dhufish,16 mulloway, ect where does it tell you a total boat limit of 16 demercal fish, I appreciate your input, not being a smartass been boating for 30 years always follow the rules, this guide is in black and white yet it is still grey, cheers.
DTrain
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The top of page 6 has the
The top of page 6 has the total number of demersals your allowed to take per person (2 for west coast and 5 anywhere else).
The boat limit for dhufish is on page 8 underneath the 500 mm size limit.
Also the other categories have separate limits, so you can get 2 demersals and 3 pelagics and 16 nearshore fish per person. The different categories count separately.
seadog-1967
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nearshore fish
16 mulloway?16 tailor?
Andy_b
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crabs are 10 per person or 20
crabs are 10 per person or 20 boat limit
squid is 15 person and a boat limit of 30
correct me if im wrong but thats what i go buy
seadog-1967
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spot on
yes you are spot on there mate, I am more confused on boat limits on demercals, and did you know if you catch 15 squid and 1 occo your over, because they group them together but no mention of cuttlefish, squid and occo combined, tailor are onother one v, s king george whiting, you can catch 8 tailor with only 2 over 500mm, yet you can catch 16 k.g.w, I find k.g.w harder to find than tailor, thanks for your comment, cheers.
Rig
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guideline
just remeber its a guideline = an interpretation of the legislation
but I agree there are a few things unclear in the book as I vented on here about a crayfishing loop hole that isnt clearly mentioned previously
Pembo
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No Ambiguity
I can't say that I find this ambiguous at all....
Pg 4 of the Guide
Mixed species daily bag limit
This is the combined maximum number of fish
of any species within one category (such as
demersal or large pelagic) that a fisher may take
or bring on to land in any 24-hour period (from
midnight to midnight).
For example, demersal finfish in the West Coast
Bioregion has a total mixed daily bag limit of
two fish.
2 fish = 1 baldchin groper + 1 blue morwong
OR
2 fish = 2 blue morwong (but no other demersal fish)
Note: Within the mixed daily bag limit you cannot
exceed the stated individual species limit. For
example, you may only take a maximum of one
dhufish per day.
seadog-1967
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ambiguous
cool so 8 licences on board,15 pink snapper,1 dhufish,12 spanish mackerel,6, dolphin fish,6 yellowfin tuna and 16 mulloway which are classed as a nearshore fish, the mulloway I catch are in 200mtr, s of water must be lost, thats a total of 56 fish.correct?
crasny1
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I think that might be correct
But is a shit load off fish
8 Lic fishers -- 2 Dhues max, 16 Demersals max
-- 3 pelagics x 8 = 24 pelagic species
-- 2 mullas per fisher = 16
And then you can add 8 x 8 Tailor, and a bucket load of KGs(16x8), aswell as oddles of herring/skippy/gardies, and 20crabs, 30 squid.
What I do suspect is this would be one very very very busy fishing day to get even close to all this.
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Ha ha yeah good luck with
Ha ha yeah good luck with that lol.
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NOHA
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Dhu boat limit
To add to the confusion
Daily bag limit is from midnight to midnight but the dhu fish is a boat limit
even if its over 2 or more days. No more than two dhu fish or parts thereof on the boat.
It's not a daily boat limit its a total boat limit
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MattMiller
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Honestly
the rules are nothing new and still can't believe that threads like this pop up every year
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Gotta be taking the piss
Gotta be taking the piss
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