selling your catch
Submitted by grayzeee on Mon, 2011-07-04 22:06
just a question to find out weather , if you've bought and paid for the RFBL , you think you should be allowed to sell your catch.
following on from the other thread where a lot of fisho's don't like fish , they could get something back for their day out.
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If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
troy fuller
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sounds alright but you would
sounds alright but you would see most people have full freezers and can usually catch the fish easy, not all tho.
grantarctic1
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No
No. You would need a Pro licence to that.
Chuditch
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That would then make you a
That would then make you a commercial fisherman not recreational.
JIM1
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when i do a camping trip with
when i do a camping trip with fishing involved i dont often take any home, eat it or give it to the neighbour at the caravan park. i would see people selling there catch as a bit of an unwritten rule no-no. fishing to some is there livleyhood in lower class countrys and keeping one of the traditions alive is why i like fishing so much - sharing is one of the greatest gifts in the world i think.
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grantarctic1
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Agree
I agree Jim, sharing some seafood with friends and family is great, But selling seafood is ( a bit of an unwritten rule no- no ) No offence mate, but it is a rule, it is against the law.
hlokk
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I would hope that the thing
I would hope that the thing they get back from their fishing trip is an enjoyable day? It shouldnt just be about how many fish you kept, but whether you had fun? If it wasnt enjoyable and you had to sell fish to make it worth it, then why get a license in the first place? :p
A RFBL is obviously not the same thing as a commercial license nor should be. If you could make money selling fish by getting a $40 license, people would be out there all the time catching as much as they could to just make some coin, and the stocks would be depleted pretty quick I would think. Theres a whole host of other issues too. Liability, taxation, allocation, etc, etc.
smash
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an "Unwritten" no-no?
I doubt you'd need to look very far to see it is specifically written in the rules as a no-no and I got to admit to being a little suprised that anyone is asking that question.
Even swapping a feed for something is "technically" illegal but overlooked until some halfwit gets caught swapping 200 shamateur crays for a motorbike (for example)
Why would a commercial fisherman pay $100K's for a licence?
A few years back Cicerellos used to offer kids a free feed for small fish to go in their aquariums. Fisheries got into it and stopped it. Rediculous of course but I guess they cant allow someone to blatently break the law publicly and continuously "only a little bit"
southcity104
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sheesh they jam those fish
into those tanks. Every time ive been in there theres been some sad, sick looking fish floating about. I know little about aquriums but have heard fish need there space. On the plus side there is a huge range of species in the tanks and its definately eye catching
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Tony Halliday
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nothing wrong with sharing
nothing wrong with sharing your fillets around, as long as no money changes hands....
then again maybe a few beers do chnage location at times....
when fillets are shared...
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Bodie
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yep, or just have cook ups
yep, or just have cook ups with your mates like we do.
Been every weekend for the past month, crays, prawns, squid, Coral trout, rankin cod, Dhuie you name it, all with different people.
All of them always look at me funny when we are out at restaurants and i wont order seafood as its never as good. After one seafood cook up at my place they understand why!
Still.... barely put a dent in the freezer!!
The_Wanderer
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Sounds good Bodie whens the
Sounds good Bodie whens the Fishwrecked Feast then??
crasny1
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Illegal
You could end up with the (no Racism intended) Woo's, Low's, Chin's etc who regularly make the prosecution pages of WA Fisheries magazine or the West. And certainly no racism but I have always wondered is it because of lack of understanding that most prosecutions are against Asain origin names???
Neels
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championruby
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Call me cynical, but I don't
Call me cynical, but I don't think lack of understanding has anything to do with it.
Quobbarockhopper
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1) champions correct 2)
1) champions correct
2) enabling the sale would lead to this... I know a few spearos who used to frequent my area VERY regularly. These guys were very good at their craft and would go home with quota every time, which is a lot of meat.... but would still be back every few weeks or so to do it all again. this round trip from perth would have cost a lot to fund so regularly, so just makes me wonder how it proved such a viable option for them...
Call me cynical, but they must eat spaniard for breakfast/ lunch and dinner and have a lot of freinds who do also...
championruby
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1) Thanks 2) Another
1) Thanks
2) Another scenario - A family owns a restaurant that requires crab and fish for many recipes. They all go down in a large group regularly to get there 10 crabs plus assorted fish each. If they use them in their restaurant without any money exchanging hands can they still be prosecuted? I would like to think so as it just encourages them to keep pillaging stocks in order to cut costs, but I can't see how they would prove it.
Reading into Canarvonites response makes me think they could be if they can't explain where it came from.
smash
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they most certainly can and do
that is often the scenario with many of the Asians who get busted.
And the restaurant-they are selling it so its illegal. Unless they were feeding people for free????
Restaurants are regularly visited by fisheries and have their freezers checked. They have to account for everything in there though they can store amateur caught fish but it must be clearly labelled as to the owner and separate.
I believe its an offence for them not to be able to produce a receipt, whether its caught by amateurs or whatever.
brg
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what about dropping of a dhue
what about dropping of a dhue to the local fish n chip shop/restaurant on the way home?people have been doing that for years in coastal northern towns pays for there fuel and in that case doesnt bother me just old local boys but big quantities is a no-no jmo.
Bean
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I think the laws there
I think the laws there because you don't know how the catch has been treated and kept before its been sold or given to a shop that will distribute it. So more of a health issue I think. Yeah it be nice to give your catch away and share sometimes but they got to cover their arses if anything goes wrong.
carnarvonite
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Both sides
If a shop get raided by fisheries and cannot produce receipts for all their seafood then they are in big shirt, the same as any amateur who gets caught selling/ bartering their catch.
Its all about protecting the pro's livelihood and their investment in the fishery to stop poachers from raping and pillaging like the ones from Collie [Poacherville] years back who were flogging abalone from Augusta and Hamelin bay. They would dive at both locations each day and get their full tally then flog it off to a chinese restuarant in Perth. They had two complete set ups in both caravan parks, boat, hookahs, 4x4s and caravans, the lot got seized along with their houses and freezers plus huge fines over 100 grand
grantarctic1
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Why is this a discussion
I don't understand why this is even being discussed. I can see the headlines in the next debate about Rec Fisho's in the local paper.
" Online fishing forum talk about selling their catch to recoop money spent on licences "
I dont want to offend any one, But it is very clear in the eyes of fisheries.
Illegal fish sales
It is illegal for recreational fishers to sell their catch.
Illegal fish-selling operations pose a major threat to inshore
fish stocks. Severe penalties (a fine plus up to 10 times the
dollar value of the species) apply and all gear used in the
operations may be confiscated.
If you observe illegal fishing or fish sales, please note
details such as car/boat registration numbers and a
description of offender(s), and call the Department of
Fisheries’ 24-hour FISHWATCH number (1800-815-507) or
contact a local Fisheries office
This is just my oppinion guy's ,( so put me in my place if i'm wrong ) but the Green groups would love a thead like this one, Most people are on the ball and understand the rules but i am supprised at the lack of knowledge on this subject .
Grant..
WADRay
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here here. Im glad someone
here here.
Im glad someone has the nouce to understand that everything we show and say on here is most likely taken into account either by another group (green #%&^$'s) or fisheries. It is BS that we even entertain the notion that it is ok to gain commercially from your RECREATIONAL licence I mean FFS how simple does it have to get it tells you in the definition of the license that it aint allowed.
Honestly I think you guys that even mildly support this need to take a good hard look at yourselves. Seriously if you need to offset your hobby so that you can pay for your fishing trips then give up. If you have enough fish that you can think about selling it then dont go, leave them in the water to breed, next year their offspring will fill our stocks.
This discusion honestly disgusts me.
championruby
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Why? Half of the replies are
Why? Half of the replies are discussing the grey areas, no-one but the initial poster is endorsing sale of fish. It obviously happens, as other posters experiences are showing, no harm in discussing how the rule is applied I would have thought. Im sure most are in agreeance that there is a definate need for separation between recreational and commercial fishing, but the grey area of swap/trade still exists IMO
grayzeee
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i hope you don't mean me
i hope you don't mean me champion
i'm not condoning the sale of your fish
i certainly don't sell my catch
it was a post meant to stimulate discussion on what you should/should not be able to do with whats legally yours , bought and paid for.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
smash
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Grantarctic
your absolutely right. No offence to anyone but I must admit to being somewhat astounded at some of the suggestions here as to what "might" be allowed or "gray areas".
Its crystal clear-catch it for yourself or friends. If you sell or swap it for reward you are selling it, AKA shamateur
championruby
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yeah sorry Grayzee got my
yeah sorry Grayzee got my wires crossed
smiley
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Fisheries
have asked this question in their latest Rec Rock Lobster survey 2010/2011 season, question 27 asks "Have you been offered the opportunity to purchase or trade in recreationally caught rock lobster within the past 12 months" YES NO or NOT SURE
Bodie
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actually while on the
actually while on the topic
When i did make the trip to Exmouth this year and filled up at a petrol station just outside of Geraldton. Spoke with the guy behind the counter who just happened to be the owner.
He asked "your boat, where you heading"
My reply " Yep, heading to exmouth"
His reply "Interested in dropping some fish off on your way back in exchange for some fuel free of charge"
A common occurance im sure!
bagafillets
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Maybe the fisheries should
Maybe the fisheries should make everyone do a questionare before they get their RFBL since people dont seem to know the rules. If you dont like eating fish and are worried about how much it costs DONT GO.
squidder
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Bloody good idea
Bloody good idea "Bagafillets" and have it placed on the RFBL card.......No excuse then.
Swapping fish, bartering if you like is accepting "Payment In Kind", NO different than Selling.
Colt_Striker
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Mick, that'd be just as
Mick, that'd be just as usefull as the skippers ticket a lot of people that have em still don't know the rules
stilly
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very interesting thread
bodie you should have thrown it in the servo owners face, tell him to catch his own bloody fillets and what he was proposing isn't legal, in saying that if a mate does well on the day and informs me of the catch and offers me a fillet i wont say no, as long as the favour is given back when i do well, best fish is eaten fresh imo
WADRay
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Sharing a feed and a beer is
Sharing a feed and a beer is completely different and by all means fair.
If it is the same station owner just north of gero I informed him 2 years ago that he would be getting a visit from fisheries to let him know just how illegal what he is proposing is. We were on our way through and stopped with full eskys, we left with empty wallets and full eskys. I hope fisheries sort him out.
Personally I dont see a grey area. Trading is selling and IMHO it is wrong and myself, I dont have a problem doing what I need to to stop it.
Bodie
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and yep probably same fuel
and yep probably same fuel station too!
Bodie
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Mate i just told him that the
Mate i just told him that the cost of me traveling to exmouth and even if i did bring back 20 kg's of fillets, still wouldnt make it viable for free fuel. And that i loved eating my fish so wouldnt matter what he offered!
To be honest i was caught a little off guard, because he came srtaight out and asked, didnt even work into the conversation! i could have been anyone. Big risk for a business owner if you ask me.
Tony Halliday
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hell if I had to sell my
hell if I had to sell my catch everytime, I'd go broke...lol
simple rules are simple to understand. " no selling for monetory gain of fish by rec fishermen, end of story!"
if fishing is too expensive for you, then get another cheaper hobby if it exists!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
uncle
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no brainer
that would be the last thing we would want to do, play right into the hands of greenies and media
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs