It is very frustrating to watch and not be able to do anything. I would love for fishieres to have night patrol from mandurah to perth but i guess it all comes down to funding. I see it all the time on jettys but in todays times of violence an undersized fish aint worth getting beaten up or stabbed ova, sad really. JMO

Fishing isn't a matter of life or death, it's much more serious than that!!!

yeah , heard the same thing over and over again

we need some local mob to do the job

RUSS & SANDY

"A family that fishes together stays together"

I'm sorry Ody.  I think I took the thread  the wrong way but you can still get your point cross without the gibbering bit.

Cheers 

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I'm sure that last post will be edited.

Sorry Andy

of fish species & inability of Fish Watch to perform? I dont understand your logic Mick. There are many proud members of FW who were born overseas yet do the right thing with gusto. These pricks that Ody refers to ( wherever they are from ) need to comply like everyone else. Its not about race, colour or creed, its about ensuring fish stocks for our children, & their children ( who will of course be first gen. aussies!

C I`d rather be fishin`!!!

Not sure what's up your nose Mick but you should be saying sorry to Ody, not Andy. IMO. It's not just our good friends of Asian origin who pillage undersized stocks, it's a lot of other people also. Some know about the rules and others don't. Our job here is to promote awareness, not to police it. One of these days someone is going to end up with a broken nose for seemingly doing the right thing.

My spelling and punctuation sucks also but I did try hard in this post to get it right

Cheers, Vince

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The QQ more attitude isn't going to help fish stocks is it. I've used fishwatch, they've taken my details, and I got a call back.

If you think they're not doing their job, start emptying buckets yourself and let us know how you go.

Spot on Till, i've called Fishwatch & never had an issue including officers attending to one of my calls (i was L/B)

By not doing anything your letting them win and having a vent helps our emotions but the true fact is nothing happens to rectify the issues!

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner of "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South St, O'Connor, Perth Ph 9337 5682

I guess I was a bit harsh.

I rang fishwatch a fortnight ago to report illegal netting.Within 20 minutes the offenders had shot through.

A week later I received a call from the local inspector explaining why for the non attendance.When I put the initial report in I stated one or both of the "poachers"were aboriginal.He said they were allowed to fish there and "we" are not because it was their traditional fishing ground.I asked how come as fishing with monofilament nets is not traditional fishing.His reply was that he had in the past taken people to court for the same reason and had the cases thrown out.

At least he had the decency to get back to me from my report.

What do they do with the funds from the people they do catch, can't they use that to fund more patrols !

I for one would love to see them locally, not just more than once every couple of months or when ever the Tailor season is on.

TT ( karl )

Mate stuff fishwatch. Get to know the local DoF inspectors. Get their mobile numbers and call them instead. Provided that they are reasobly close and on roster i'm sure they will respond. They may not b able to drop everything and jump to it (resources..) but i'm sure they would give you a better reception than a 1800 Deli-marketer

unfortunately sometimes if it bugs u , as it would me, then one has to do something,

i remember when i tipped out buckets of crabs in a rampage 1 day after seeing 1 group murder unders, then i walked the rocks and saw it all along.tipped out another half a dozen at least.. lol back then i was ready, nowadays u might get stabbed for doing such a thing, 

went into hiding for a while ..lol 

I'd do what you do too harro, but sometimes when I think of it, there's really no point end up fighting while all you want to do is really to enjoy fishing. Oh well. :/

Have rung them twice recently on two different occasions, gave out my information and details of the offence, was told that I would be contacted shortly regarding the matter, never heard from them again. It was a bit of a worry when the first thing they said was, "how do you spell Mandurah" and "what time is it there?"

hi well im 14 and last year at the e shed the same thing would happrn but with snapper people asian disent they were taking snapper that was no more then 20cm and europeans were doing the same thing because they saw the asians do it i tried to tell some they dident listen 2 me because i was young

and the same thing with skippy tarwine

it gets me so annoyed

I dont think it is so much the origin of the people, but the education, my dad taught me it was wrong because his dad did, as i will to my sons one day, who has shown them that it is wrong without coming off as rude?

What we could have  is big metal sign at every popular spot that says the bag limmits with the pictures for identification and even if need be, have it in several languages. i dont think that would be too expensive do you? And i have only ever seen one in mandurah under the bridge there.

I have met plenty of people of certain origin who stick to sizing and bag limmits and i have met many white aussies who dont show any regard for the future at all.

Just gotta keep preaching and eventually there will be some positive change. 

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You couln't wipe that grin fom my face even with a hammer.

Mate stand up to be heard, thats all you can really do...

If you tell 5 people its wrong to keep undersize fish, or even more educate them on what the legal size limit is, and 1 out of the 5 listen and do the right thing, then atleast things are moving in the right direction.

i Remember scano a year or so ago down at floreat, we were fishing early morning and this asian family were fishing along side us. They pulled in a little 15-20cm flattie and proceeded to put it away to take home. Scano promptly said 'hey mate you do realise that fish was undersize and should be put back'

He did play the 'No english card' but they did return the fish to the water.

On the weekend i was walking down along the jetty's in rockingham and noticed one guy had a bucket full of water with about a half dozen small skippy in it. i said to him, mate i think your fish might be undersize. His response was yeah i think so too but we are keeping count then will let them go at the end. I politely said to him, that the fish would die from lack of oxygen, and they already were starting to float.

He promptly put the fish back, and about 3 or 4 other groups did the same thing.

Its not always that people are doing it wrong intentionally, but more the fact they simply do not know.

Nuff said!

a good point - some signage in multiple languages with limits ( bag & size ) for common beach species would be fairly cheap and leave no room for doubt.

What happen to the stickers you get at the shop for the size limits?

That use to be very helpful, as I would hand it out to strangers or paste them on around popluar spots as indicator to fellow fisherman/women. They should as well have small image of what the fish looks like...no good just having a name on there, with no image to educate them.

As for taking the law in your own hands, tell the offender of the undersize fish they have and let them know that if they don't put it back, that you will call the fishwatch or police on them and the law will sort them out...do it there and them, so let them see that you are not joking! After that hand then the size indicator stickers to them (always keep spares in the car) for education. If they decided to leave and not put back the undersize fish...tell them, that you will get the car rego to pass on to the authorities later.

Andy, that is a great idea...for educating people of the cost to them if they do anything wrong, they should also well put the fishwatch number on there, just to let the people know that there is a source watching them.

Flangies...I agree with the metal sign...but the people who are fishing would not be bothered to bring the fish to the metal sign just to measure it, if the the fishing is going off. They need a non-inexpensive, water proof, portable size indicator with them at all times...as well with the fishwatch number on there....make people aware again that there is a number they can call.

As well, I think that all shops should blundle the portable fish size indicator in with every purchase, just to reenforce the education, as these are usually left in the corner somewhere where it is hard to be seen.....tackle shops have the most interactions with all walks of life comming in and buying stuff...there will be no use coming in buying tackle and bait anymore if there is no fish to catch.

It doesn't require violence...just a warning then and calling the authorities if they don't comply.

Saw some of the eastern states fish measures while over there at xmas.They had a small picture of the fish alongside the minimum size marking plus the total bag limit of them as well.Would be good if someone connected to fisheries has a look at them because they are spot on

They still have them in the shops...show how long ago i walked into one...mine are still dated back 2006, will need to get the updated version soon :)

"Bundling the sticker with every purchase might get a bit too much, though they could have them stuck right on the counter and ask customers if they have one. "

Hlokk, it is a bit troublesome, but make it a habit so instead asking them it will be with them either way and for those who already knew there sizes & limits, they can pass it on (stickers) to those offenders....spread the word and educate, it all starts with you doing it!

"What am I going to do with 10 stickers a week."

Educate them...

The stickers are that hard to get hold of and when they are available the numbers are thin so you need to be selective. You leave them on the counter and kids grab 4 each, ppl grab em for the hell of it and when a "genuine person" wants one you cant supply!

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner of "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South St, O'Connor, Perth Ph 9337 5682

I had the same problem a couple of years ago and rang the head of fisheries who informed me that the phone service is contracted out to a company not associated with the Fisheries. If it happens again, he informed me to, note the time that the service was unattended and give him a call. He was easily contacted through ringing Fisheries WA and wanted people to contacted him directly with their issues concerning lack of service.

 .Just another Beer drinker with a Fishing problem.

Should start our own fish watch. Im keen.

"You leave them on the counter and kids grab 4 each, ppl grab em for the hell of it and when a "genuine person" wants one you cant supply!"

Ryan, you should have more control as to who gets them if they are so thin.

Decella, do you know if the head of fisheries guy is still there and do you have the number? If fishwatch is not doing its job, then they need to be held accountable to the Fisheries WA.

This contact should be availble for everyone to have access to.

Quan, re more control....thats what I said;

My Quote "The stickers are that hard to get hold of and when they are available the numbers are thin so you need to be selective"

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner of "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South St, O'Connor, Perth Ph 9337 5682

I looked through the mobile but must have deleted it. All I did was ring Fisheries and they gave me the number. From memory his name was Gary. Guy's we are good hearted fisherman not vigilantes. I speak from experience when I say don't act as I had to pay for $1500 worth of fishing gear (which wasn't even $200 worth) and got 2 criminal charges for been a "good citizen". This is disregarding the court costs and lawyers fees.

We need more of our money/fees going into educating the less educated not giving people money for Xmas.

Just another Beer drinker with a Fishing problem.

Hi Ya,

First time back since creating the thread and find I've created a storm.

Mick C, I didn't see what you posted so no harm done and on top of that it would take a hell of a lot to upset me anyway.  Had another read of what I posted.  I used the word gibbering so as not to indicate any specific ethnic group but maybe it was a  bit was out of line but as the title said, I was still steamed up about it.

Once upon a time I may have tipped buckets over etc and given my size would have intimidated most people and been prepared to take on most.  But now I have two stuffed knees and a shoulder that is so close to worthless it don't matter (24 x 7 pain caused by a calcium spur but fortunately I can still hold a fishing rod with plenty of wieght on it) so I am a little more careful now.

Cheers.


RECFISHWEST member

I can rerlate to all of that. If my right hander (which is all I have left) doesn't work I am stuffed. No capcity to flee LOL

Cheers, Vince

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I don't think you were out of line Ody, I just think something was taken the wrong way.

We all see this happening everytime we go to populated fishing spots. And it does get you angry.

I think Fishwatch and Fisheries should be funded enough so that they can deal with these problems. It's happening too much to ignore, it's a serious threat to stocks and recreational fishing, and needs to be looked at sooner rather than later.

If fish are being taken out of the water before they can breed...

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Was reading the local paper today,,the fisherys have charged 27 people in the last 3 weeks crabbing in Cockburn Sound,,more reports in papers are needed or you don't hear about it.

I do believe with Tailor its a case of don't bother charging people they are not that important fish,,we need more VFLO's educating folks on the beachs/rocks/jettys as well.

Colin 3 > long standing and highly respect member of the prestigous Colin's club.