fixing trailer - need 20mm threaded shaft- 50cm
Submitted by hekser on Thu, 2012-07-19 14:06
G'day bought myself a 16ft ali, the trailers a bit shit, back support to hold up the runners bent and nuts locked in, heated it up cant get it free- cutting the thing off and redoing it myself,
need around 50cm of 20mm threaded shaft to remount it. cant seem to find anywhere to get it- not a tradey and never had a need for it- rung around a few places, bunnings (stop at 10mm) midalia, dont stock it. can anyone suggest where i can pick some up?
i need to get it done asap as another FW member is gonna weld up a crack in the hull saturday(hopefully) and i need to transport it there and cant really drive it without it there... any ideas greatly appreciated
cheers
hekser
hlokk
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What finish do you need on
What finish do you need on the thread? Galv, zinc, black, stainless?
Try blackwoods or galvins for a start. Theres other suppliers that'll do that size too, but dont remember names of the top of my head. If it needs to thread into something specific, you need to check if you have a M20 thread or a 3/4" (20mm vs 19.05mm nominal, though its better to measure thread counts too).
hekser
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cheers,
ill try galvins once i get the lower nut off. grinder disc shattered on me and i cant find a new one in the shed, out comes the hacksaw.. once i get it off ill just take it in with me... probably stainless would be my best bet i guess.. ill get a pic up when i get it out see what everyone rekns. cheers for the quick response mate :D
TonyT
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blackwoods should have it. LT
blackwoods should have it. LT venables possibly too.
hekser
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it doesnt thread into anything
its just a strut from the trailer chassis to the runner, that the side of the boat sits on, it looks like its a homemade job (the trailer) pretty basic,
==== <- skid
| < bolt
|
o <- nut
======= <chassis
o < nut
|
hlokk
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Taking in a thread section
Taking in a thread section would be best so they can match it. Stainless wont be cheap though. If you get stainless, you want 316 not that 304 crap if you want it to last. Actually though, try Coventrys first. Coventries are bolt suppliers, while Galvins are plumbing supplies (however, plumbers seem to use 3/4" thread, but just thinking now, it'll probably be brass). Best to ring around and see who can do what for how much (try yellowpages for bolts). You're looking for either "M20 threaded bar" or "3/4" threaded bar"
hekser
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thanking you :D
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Starbug
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Coventry fasteners or any of
Coventry fasteners or any of the fastener wholesalers.
Brucesta
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Bullivants are another you
Bullivants are another you could try, trailer is probably galv too, not many boats have stainless fittings..
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bradz
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Martins
Sounds like something that Martins Trailer Parts would stock. They are in Wangara and Bayswater.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
pelagicyachts
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Martin trailers parts x 2 :-)
Martin trailers parts x 2 :-) and they are also in occonnor
hekser
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coventrys fasteners FTW
got myself a 20 mm threaded bar, 13$ for a metre.. bit of a win!
thanks everyone !
i have a new issue now;
the boat is floating around 8cm off the rollers. ( trailer obviously not made for this boat) ill take some pics and see what everyone rekns.
im wondering if i replace the rollers with bigger ones if available or just strap the fkr down when in transit? bbm with pics - thanks for input
cheers
hekser
hekser
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the reason for dicking
the reason for dicking around was because the boat sat on the skids on the ripple- when i got a bloke to look at it he said thats no good and it should be in the flat- the only way i could get it into the flat was to wind it up, any ideas? :L
will it cause damage not sitting on the rollers?
cheers,
hekser
Brucesta
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could just wind down the
could just wind down the skids if you felt the need to and they are adjustable, from your digagram they seem to be.
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cudbfishn
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it should be on the rollers.
it should be on the rollers. wouldnt it be a bitch to launch/retrieve? but he is right it should be on the flat but also on the rollers.
hekser
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the problem i face is when i wind them down
they arent in the flat, they are on the ridge- it has a crack in the hull due to that i think...
im toying with the idea of trying to get massive rollers and fit them in and pray that they work ill measure from the centre pin to the edge of metal and see what i come up with - MAYBE i can get a bigger roller that will touch? :P
if not i think ill just have to winch my ass off to get the boat up i guess- im thinking it need another support up the front as well, one of those V rubber things that will just hold front of keel in place.
cheers for input guys, this is a project that hopefully works out and ends up with me catching fish- i paid 3800$ for the boat understanding it needed work - im not the most mechanical minded sort but with a forum full of fishos/boatys im thinking i might be able to work it out-
cheers
hekser
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MAYBE A SOLUTION
i measured up diam from centre pin on roller to last possible point of clearance 5cm - so just under 2inches, ill grab a 2" roller tomorrow and see how that goes- *fingers crossed*
Yewiefish85
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mate, Brucesta is spot on,
mate, Brucesta is spot on, lower your skids, they are usually threaded rod so they are adjustible plus it sounds like you are replacing the threaded rod any way so just set them 2" lower.
Cheers Yewie
makai
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The boat needs to sit on the rollers
Hekser, the boat should sitting on the keel rollers. They should be carrying the weight. The skids are for stability (and should carry minimal weight). If you hull is split around where the skids are, that is probably why. Assuming the existing keel rollers are in reasonable condition and still roll, I would be working on lowering the skids, not replacing the rollers.
hekser
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agreed
my problem is, when i drop the skids down the ripple in the hull rests right on the skid- they guy i had check out the boat told me thats a no no- so i adjusted all i could until i got the skid in the flat between the ripple - the problem being is now its floating above the rollers...
its a double edged sword- do i sit the keel on the rollers and have the ripple on the skids? or do i try find larger diam keel rollers and have the keel on rollers and the skids on flat?
when i got the boat the keel was on the rollers, but the skids were on the ripple - now the flat between ripples on hull is on skid and the keel is in the air... :P i should just lower them back down and deal with the skid on the ripple? its going to hurt the boat more if the keel isnt on the rollers i assume? i just dont wanna get anymore cracks in the hull which im going to assume is from the dodgy placement of the skids?
and this my fellow FW is why i love this site - becuase of you guys answering my stupid questions with years of experience which i dont have. :D
cheers, hekser
fishcrazy
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threaded rod
ill have a look at work mate
hekser
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got some today at coventry fastners
thanks alot tho mate
cudbfishn
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Id be adjusting it down to
Id be adjusting it down to sit on the rollers and drilling new holes in the chassis and re-position the skids. not that hard really. oh and cold gal the new and existing holes to prevent rust
cudbfishn
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actually is there other
actually is there other holes??? looks like it in the picture?
hekser
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there is indeed other holes
inside of these ones; these are outer most holes, im guessing to do this i have to go drop it in the river and then bash around in the carpark? probably the easiest way i guess, ill suss it out tomorrow in daylight
cheers
fishy fingers
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Just bend them
you can bend the skid support rods easily enough with the skids removed so they are between
the "ripples " as you call them, I think you mean the planing strakes!
hekser
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good to increase my vocabulary
cheers.
i obviously have to have the boat off the trailer to do this yer?
just beat the shit out of them with a hammer?
fishy fingers
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NO
Dont beat them with a hammer! with the boat off take off the skids and use a pipe or something
they will bend easily with a bit of leverage. if you use a pipe make sure you put it in the same
position on each so you get the bends even you may even be able to do it with the skids on
with a bar between the inner edge of the trailer sides then bend to suit.
at the end of the day it dosent matter they sit on the strakes as said
before the keels rollers should be taking the wheight
also those skid support threaded bar are available from martins trailer parts if you need to cut them off
hekser
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roger!
makes sense, ill see what i can do tomorrow- cant mess with it too much, need to be able to transport on saturday to get a weld sorted hopefully- (if i put it in the water now itll sink. :P) might go get another rod tomorrow cut to size and next week if im not workin go dump it in the river and mess around in the carpark, try put in a different hole... thats all depending on if i can find 2" rollers tomorrow - coz if i can ill just change out the rollers, but thanks for clearing up that it NEEDS to have the majority of weight on the keel rollers not the skids. if it has to sit on the strakes for a few weeks so be it.
I WILL NOT LET THIS BEAT ME, just gotta do it on a budget - off to phuket next week then its anniversary week after tha and missus likes shiny things...
cheers
hekser
fishy fingers
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Get her some SHINY new skids!
and tell her if she dosent use them then youll be happy to!!!
hekser
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ahaha
she told me she already got me something, turns out she dropped a k on a gold chain... didnt much like me when i turned around and told her id rather she spent it on the boat.. :L
just means i have to drop a heap of money on something that isnt my boat :`(
sea-kem
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I've only just seen this
I've only just seen this Hekser United Fasteners in Welshpool have all that type of gear.
Love the West!
hekser
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got sorted at coventry fastners cheers
might head back tomorrow and get another rod and redo the lot,
cheers Sea-Kem
hekser
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if that doesnt work..
anyone want an apprentice fora day and a couple of cartons?
macka17
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Hi. If your boat NOT sitting
Hi.
If your boat NOT sitting on it's keel on the rollers. It WILL continually crack at stress points
Get another length of threaded rod and 8 nuts 4 big washers to suit. Biggest you can for that thread..
Remove existing rods supporting skid bars. Get some decent angle iron (Galv.3x2 or 3x3in. 4 to 6 mm thick.)
Drill holes to suit dia of rods in one side of the angle..
weld the 4 new tangs (angle iron) over top of chassis rails with holes sticking out for rods to slide through
In line with where you want the rails to sit.
weld the rods to bottom of skid rails. screw up 4 of nuts (one on each rod)
lower rods\rails through holes in angle tangs\brackets to nuts\washers.
Level\raise them up to balance NOT support weight of boat when it sitting on its keel on trlr..
Put trlr on level ground. then use a level on seat inside boat to level it.
then wind up remaining 4 nuts underneath rods to hold\lock in place.(Silicon on threads makes them pretty safe)
Once sure of position. Couple of trips....I'd weld the top nuts on so they can't move..
NOT the proper way to do a boat trlr. I've built a few.
But in your situation. the cheapest. most stable way to get out of it..
Just make sure you sitting o rollers first. otherwise you'll have continuing problems and a f----d boat...
DON'T.... drill more holes in trailer chassis rails.
all they do is weaken the trailer. the next one I weld up with folded rails at holes won't be the first..
Spend a couple extra now. It'll last you forever.
Another thing I'd do. is go to a car accesory dealer. buy a tin of that mastic paint the paint under wheel arches\chasis on cars.
and paint your whole trailer with it.
Black don't look the best. But it's salt proof. A sand down first and maybe a prime. The trlr will last you for yors.
Regards
an old fart
Macka17
PS. We'll be back in Patong\Bankok\Chang Mai for thre weeks in Nov Fishing for sails. and keeping missus happy
Patong is booked 5 days sail fishing.
hekser
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Many Thanks
for taking the time to type that for me, easy to follow and understand will drop the skids tomorrow so its sitting on the keel rollers and start gathering all my shit so i can try knock it off in a day. the idea of the mastic is a good one- saltproof sounds great. the skids are actually pretty dodge, i think just angle with marine carpet cable tied around them so i might see if i can grab new skids and do it all properly.
as this is the first decent boat ive owned (over 12ft) i want to make sure its all done right and will stand the test of time, as you said - spend a bit now it'll last for a long time.
Cheers Macka17 and heres hoping you get a shitload of sails in nov :D
hekser
fishfish
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rollers
Hey Hekser just re reading your roller measurement and I think if I'm reading it correctly you will acctualy need 4" rollers if you say you have 2" from the centre pin to the bottom of the hull ??? ie you have only measured the radius not the diameter ..
cheers fishfish.
hekser
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ahah, how right you are....
Cheers for that, sometimes im not all there :P i didnt do too well at school, i work on the wharf now.. :P
i do indeed need 4"
thanks again- that coulda proved annoying :P
cheers,
hekser
hekser
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one more question for today.
its a break back trailer- would i be stupid to think that i could put the boat on the front lawn ? - hard to get off? harder to get on? might be easier/smarter than dropping in river and leaving it there while i mess around with everything?
macka17
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Hi. I drop my 5.25 Stacer
Hi.
I drop my 5.25 Stacer Bowrider on front lawn.
Put a tyre down first. then tilt trailer and walk it away from boat. controlling speed with winch handle.
Reverse when reloading it.
A tyre under either side . will hold it level for you.
Regarding skids. If renewing them go for timber. rather than\as well as, angle. Gentler on boat bottom
And a coupla teflon sliders on top will help a million..
DON't break it's back when unloading. It'll get away from you. And it hurts.
Unles you couple to car and use a mate to start it.
Have fun. me going to bed 1 10 am here.
Macka17
hekser
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update
its back on the keel rollers again, one side sits on strakes, on side on the flat.
its getting left until the weld is done then its getting dropped on the lawn and ill put 2 new skids on it.
thanks for all your insite guys- much appreciated!
cheers,
hekser
Dale
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I got some stainless 20mm
I got some stainless 20mm booker rod, but not that long.
Cheers
Dale
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