Experimental rig

There are some clever chaps on this site who like to experiment with different rigs.
I have been working on a new setup which has been pretty successful for me and I am wondering if you guys have any ideas for some adaptions.
To make the rig I take a length of mono leader, about a metre. I make a loop on one end, like you would for a paternoster rig. But instead of putting a sinker on that loop put a set of gang hooks. At the other end tie a one-way swivel. About a foot below that swivel make a dropper loop of about 6 or 8 inches. Get some lumo tube, cut a piece that is about 1 inch shorter than your loop. Thread the loop though the rube. Then put a small suicide or long shanked hook on the end of the loop. Repeat that process with another loop about 12 inches above the bottom set of gang hooks.
Place a mulie on the gangs and pieces of mulie (or whatever you like) on the smaller hooks.
The mulie acts like a sinker and a burley cage at the same time and also has the chance to catch a tailor, salmon or mulloway.
The top hooks will catch tailor, herring, whiting, etc.
The lumo tubes act as an attractant and also keeps your loops straight.

As you don’t have any lead, you need to use this rig when there is not a lot of wind (or an offshore wind) and not a lot of surf. But in the right conditions it is deadly.
One adaption I made recently was to use a set of gangs with a treble on the end on the bottom loop as I was being hit by squid. It worked a treat.

All the best, Colin Hay

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Great thinking!

Wed, 2008-05-07 13:34

Well done mate. Hopefully its excutes right! 

 

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Thanks Elora

Wed, 2008-05-07 14:03

It has done me very well since I first started working with it.
I hope that's not you lying on the road.

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No problems mate.

Wed, 2008-05-07 14:14

Yeah that is me laying there like a imbocile. Thats what happens when you have a few vodka cruiser buckets.  

 

Thanks.

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Diagram please

Wed, 2008-05-07 16:34

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Will see what I can do Bear

Wed, 2008-05-07 16:49

I might take a pic and post it. It may be easier.

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Great Solution

Wed, 2008-05-07 18:55

Colin, sounds like a great solution when not 100% what your likely to encouter, covering all basesLaughing

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Thanks Carassius

Wed, 2008-05-07 22:15

It is versatile and that is what it is designed to be. I have a few ideas I am looking at to utilise it in different situations.

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Yeah good rig

Thu, 2008-05-08 11:12

Yeah good rig Colin, no reason you couldn't adapt that when free-bating from a boat perhaps.

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HI Colin That is the theory behind it all mate

Thu, 2008-05-08 11:18

I remembered watching a FWA expisode where Ryan explained his draft baiting technique. I have always tried to fish with as little weight as possible and I thought that maybe I could make up a rig where I could drift bait from a rock wall or even a beach. Then I just added a few things as I went along. I have tried it once in a boat - in pretty shallow water - and it worked pretty well.

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Draft bait

Thu, 2008-05-08 11:25

Bloody hell, I know Ryan's passionate, but didn't know you had to do the equivalent of national service - no wonder he gets good bait. Tongue out

 

Seriously though, like I've said before, often the stoopid molly hawks/mutton birds prevent drift baiting.   

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Lol

Thu, 2008-05-08 11:53

Sorry Colin. Sometimes (maybe most of the time) my two finger typing is faster than my brain.
The seagulls can be a similar problem off the rocks to the mutton birds.

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Search and stab

Thu, 2008-05-08 12:03

I'm the same Colin  - went to the 'Search and Stab' typing school Tongue out

More 'ouch type' than 'touch type'

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Tonight's the night

Thu, 2008-05-08 15:56

The Almanac suggests today is a peak day for fishing. Time to test out my rig on a new plan.

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How'd you go Colin?

Sat, 2008-05-10 09:46

How was the trip out last night Colin? What was the plan & did it come together?

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Due to the conditions

Sun, 2008-05-11 08:34

I had a late change of plans and decided to fish the outgoing tide near the Hillarys lighthouse. No tailor, but a couple a skippy, a few tarwhine, a squid and a scaly mackeral. All on the same rig in two hours.

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looks like you have

Sun, 2008-05-11 09:47

looks like you have hillary's down pat colin, good work

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Thanks Mat

Sun, 2008-05-11 09:58

It has taken a bit of effort, but I know that I can pretty much catch a good feed there on most trips.

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pieces of mulies,,,,,,,,,,,

Sun, 2008-05-11 14:23

Does anybody else have trouble keeping the pieces on the hook, seems the skin is very soft and mulie seems a bit mushy, sometimes to get around it i just use the tail,,,,,,,,,i do think the fresher the better,but i still have a problem working with mulie pieces,,,,,,,,,

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suppose make sure its not

Sun, 2008-05-11 15:06

suppose make sure its not overly thawed out and match the bait size to the hooks

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Ghost

Sun, 2008-05-11 16:29

cotton works well if it's a bit sloppy

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Thanks for the tips,,,,,,,,

Sun, 2008-05-11 20:58

I use Mustard size 3 hooks on a gang of three, thinking of going two in the future.

I tried a variation of this rig today except there was a running glitter float up the top , good idea i reckon anyway i have always wanted to get an idea how  to target big/small fish at the same time because i like to target the Salmon at this time of year as well as herring.

On Edit> just reread things Colin uses single hook for the smaller hooks, i will try that, that would mean threading the mulie pieces a couple of times on to the hook ?

 

BTW> you can add weight to that rig if theres a slight breeze, a ball or bean sinker of your choice running above the bottom gang.

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one large blob try 150

Sun, 2008-05-11 20:37

one large blob 150 meters on venesion corn , 20 tuna circles and 2 kg of lead.

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Make sure your mulie isn't too thawed

Mon, 2008-05-12 09:27

As Matt said Shortly, once the mulies get too thawed they just get sloppy. I buy blocks, break them up and put them in chinese food containers. You can then take as many mulies as you think you will need. They also tend to stay frozen a lot longer.
If you are going to think about using two hooks, think about using a snelled rig.

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Salt them

Mon, 2008-05-12 09:30

If you want to toughen the mullies up just salt them. Put layers of mullies, then sprinkler rock salt on them, then another layer of mullies salt, etc.

Keep them there for a day or two and then freeze as per normal.  This makes them heaps toughter.

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Thanks Gus and Colin

Mon, 2008-05-12 21:53

Will try that,,thanks for the tips.

BTW Colin> I am Shorty not Shortly, i never knew their was another chap with a similar name on here when i registerd, sorry about that everybody,,you could call me Colin as well but that might be confusing as well,lol,,cheers,,,,,,,

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oh no not another

Tue, 2008-05-13 08:13

oh no not another colinTongue out sorry shortLy hehehe

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Sorry Shorty

Tue, 2008-05-13 08:39

Good to see another Colin onboard. We will take over from the Matts one day.

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Go the Colins!

Tue, 2008-05-13 08:45

Glad you are so pleased Matt UndecidedLaughing

Well done Colin (1) - the rig obviously works a treat.

Yeah Colin (3) - all good advice from the guys on mulies there.

 

 

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We must set up our own branch

Tue, 2008-05-13 08:47

All Colins welcome to join.

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Our Own Forum

Thu, 2008-05-15 19:04

Maybe set up our own fishing forum, must be named Colin, birth certificate required as proof.

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Ghost cotton

Tue, 2008-05-13 15:03

 

Use some ghost cotton ( bait thread) on the mulie to help it stay on the hooks , works for me when baitcasting , stops the guts falling out and a bit of salt sprinkled on even 10 mins before you use them really helps .

 

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Hasn't

Tue, 2008-05-13 18:24

this style of rig been around before. If I remember rightly, kayakers use this as style of rig as well. There was a write up in a fishing mag a while back. Any how it does work well.

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Great For Kayakers,,,,,,

Wed, 2008-05-14 19:49

I can see it being great for kayakers, just giving their attention to one rod, keeps things simple.

I have a cheapie kayak, i will be putting a milk crate and rod holders in this week and give that rig a burl off Pt Peron on the herring and hopefully Salmon, not sure how i will handle a Salmon  at the boatside, as i want one for the table, might be a handful,,,maybe a donger will do the trick ?

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Good luck with it Shorty

Thu, 2008-05-15 08:31

That is interesting regarding the Kayakers. I have never heard of it before. Thinking of getting a kayak next spring, so I will be well prepared.

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Opens up a whole new horizon,,,,,,,,,

Thu, 2008-05-15 16:56

Colin,,,,,Its the best thing me and my sister did buying a couple of kayaks, went to Penguin/Seal Is one day,,,another day around the canals at Mandurah looking at the millonares homes,,, while i was at Mandurah i spotted some really shallow sand bars out of reach for the crabbers (walking) because you have to go through very deep water to get to it,,,guess who will have a crate on the back of his kayak and a scoopnet next trip down there ?

 

I join an Australian kayak fishing forum the other day, some of them are worth more than my house,,echo sounders,,gps,etc, i love looking at different fishing setups, everybody has there own ideas how to set a kayak up.

 

BTW> if the Salmon are just out of casting range on the beach, just paddle out to get amonst them i reckon.

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Sounds good mate

Thu, 2008-05-15 20:35

As you say it opens up a lot of different areas.

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Squid on smaller hooks

Thu, 2008-05-15 22:22

One thing i will change will be to put squid on the smaller hooks, keep fiddling to a minimun (rebaiting etc) while out in the kayak, if a smaller fish bites the mulie piece and you miss,,that bait has gone,,,i reckon squid will last a lot longer between baiting.

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Try soft plastics as the

Thu, 2008-05-15 22:24

Try soft plastics as the mulie instead, like a berkley squid, i use em they dont ever come off... plenty bite marks though,  

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Always experiment

Fri, 2008-05-16 08:53

There will always be a better way. I have tried squid, and it does work well.

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