Drum lines
Submitted by Fishing_Mecca on Sat, 2014-01-25 19:27
The Drum lines down south have been set today in mass(10+) watch out for the line as already seen a boat underestimate the length(up to 20m) and come to a quick halt.
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Fisherman never die, they just get reel tired :p
Swompa
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Saw on TV news a huge amount
Saw on TV news a huge amount of rope floating on the surface.
Sand_whiting
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Hi swompa, we saw three
Hi swompa, we saw three boats run over the lines. They stopped the boat quick enough!
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Sand_whiting
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Hi swompa, we saw three
Hi swompa, we saw three boats run over the lines. They stopped the boat quick enough!
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Swompa
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After seeing it on the news
After seeing it on the news I was wondering about all those people we call idiots who have 20m of floating rope on the surface. May find that there is a 50m exclusion zone around these though.
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true and funny:)
true and funny:)
carnarvonite
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One size fits all
When they made the rigs up they would have made them all the same, so if one is dropped in shallow water you have slack rope on the surface and in deeper water nearly bugger all. It saves them time and effort setting each one up at each drop point.
Just heard on ABC news, they got their first over 3 metre shark, no species or location mentioned though.
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Tiger according to the west.
Tiger according to the west. Taken out and shot.
Earth Cruiser
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Everybody happy now?
Everybody happy now?
scottnofish
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yes very happy
feeling all warm and fuzzy iside now
MattMiller
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Yep
about time something constructive was done
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Good to hear
they got their first shark...we done fellas...lets hope many more are caught.
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pic for ya
saltatrix
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Apparently shark netters are
Apparently shark netters are in anti-cull with Greens Scott Ludlam so the shark netters can get their shark quota up.
Still think this is about sharks? Will you be voting for Scoot Ludlam at the next mid year senate election after 5000 votes went missing?
This is a Greens election campaign.
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Howard George
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Rogue Sharks.
There's no evidence that we have rogue sharks in WA but what we do have is a rogue fishermen who is acting against the best interests of the fishing industry.
carnarvonite
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Agreed
Have to agree with you there Howard or he's out to make a killing from the Gov at our expense.
My guess he would be asking in the region of $4-$5 grand a day, more than enough to cover his costs and make a more than tidy profit for putting up with the flack he's going to cop.
Now that his boat is recognisable, how long before its sitting on the bottom at its mooring when he turns up for work.
petermac
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you arsehole
he is entitled to make a living and feed his family if I was a pro fisherman I would be putting my hand up for this program
Subaquatic
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Agreed. Cant blame the bloke
Agreed. Cant blame the bloke who is just earning a buck......Will Gina's Rolls Royce be next because you dont like the damage mining does to the environment?
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I rekon tip bloody top effort
By the shark drum liners, greenies start praying the sharks are as smart and useful as you claim and they may actually catch on and start feeding further offshore, otherwise its a close in fresh bait, hook in mouth and Bang Bang for many more yeahhhhh boiiiiii
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good the first ones gone
more to follow, we may soon see how big of a problem they are
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Meteorite
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About time
Can't argue with the method - one fatal shark attack in 50 years over in qld and nsw after they started doing the same thing.
tot
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Interesting stats in Saturdays paper
566 sharks killed in Qld from drums and nets with only 3 I think being G.Ws over 3m.
Fair to say that you wouldn't expect many to go that far north, would like to see some stats from Nsw or Vic if they are targeted there.
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Howard George
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Think About it Fellows.
If commercial shark fishermen can't make a living catching sharks what species of fish do you think they'll start targeting to pay the bills. My guess is Dhu and Snapper.
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this is the dumbest comment i
this is the dumbest comment i have ever seen on here!!!
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Dumb Comments
Then you haven't read Howard's truly _stupid_ comment to Bussogirl...
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Actually the shark netters
Actually the shark netters get a huge bycatch of a range of marine life. Anything not wanted or protected (like Whites) end up dead on the sea floor.
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Dumping bycatch
There isn't a lot of bycatch being dumped, mainly buff bream, port Jackson sharks and as you state the protected species and in my case only one white pointer, one seal and one dolphin [tangled in a float line] in approx. 4 years of demersal netting from Bunbury round to Windy habour and 10 years from Exmouth through to Bedout island area.
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Is everyone here really happy
Is everyone here really happy now that a shark is dead? Did they at least sell or eat it?
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...... and what is your take.
...... and what is your take. Are you happy or enraged?
For mine. If the practice is properly performed and accountable then I would be in favour of it. Its being done in a small area (relatively) so I would have thought that even if (lets say) 50 sharks are disposed of will it make a big dent in the total stocks?
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it was a bull shark not a
it was a bull shark not a tiger shark..
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Closer pic for ID
Closer pic for ID
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tiger
tiger
Meteorite
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Tiger
I m calling it for a tiger by the shape of its teeth - pretty sure the bull shark has them more triangular like a bronzie
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Does looks a lot like a Tiger
Does looks a lot like a Tiger by the teeth. Check out the Fisheries Field Identification guide for sharks.
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/shark_hazard/Field%20identification%20guide%20to%20Western%20Australian%20Sharks%20and%20Shark-like%20Rays.pdf
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axey45
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Def tiger.
Def tiger.
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4 shots --- OMG
Never fired less(auto) than 3. Try hitting a pea sized brain with 1.
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barracuda
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Great
That is great news it is good to see our government do something about this problem.
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old saying
Where animals cannot live man shall not survive
uncle
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really
good thing we don't live in the sea, next we need to line up the crocs
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Good to see finally
Good to see finally something is being done, thumbs up from me
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If any one get a shark over 3 meters
Bull or tigershark can we kill it, or has it got be put back in the water ??????
Thay dont need to pay us lol
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Good stuff, may they take
Good stuff, may they take out a many more!
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I'm all for the whites and
I'm all for the whites and bull sharks over 3m to be culled, but do many people get attacked by tigers? I know they are potential man killers but if they're not the real threat do they have to go?
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Tigers killers?
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Buz
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There have been 3 fatal tiger
There have been 3 fatal tiger shark fatalities in WA in 1925, 1948 and 1997 (one off Geraldton).
No confirmed Bull Shark Fatalities recorded in WA.
6 fatalities have been counted as unknown species though the strong suspicion in most of these attacks and given their location has been Great Whites.
The other 11 attacks since 1896 have been attributed to Great Whites.
http://www.washarkattacks.net/shark-attacks.php
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Dont see any one giving the NT government as much grief
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/boy-feared-taken-by-croc-at-nt-waterway/story-fnk0b1zt-1226810732808
ahhh but hang on crocs aint protected
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+1
Swompa
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I have said All along,
I have said All along, selected protest.
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Saw on channel 10 breakfast
Saw on channel 10 breakfast show. Some sea Shepperd spokesperson reckons what Colin Barnett is doing is going to put sharks into extinction and also gonna kill dolphins and turtles. Nice one.
saltatrix
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There has been no deaths of
There has been no deaths of dolphins on drum lines. The data is mixed together with shark nets in the EAST.
EASTERN STATES has both drum lines and nets for 50 years
Sea Shepherd are lying through their teeth.
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Buz
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"Over the past 7 years
"Over the past 7 years (between 1996/7 and 2002/3), 25 Bottlenose Dolphins were captured in mesh nets and drum lines used in the Queensland Shark Control Program, resulting in 19 mortalities".
"Between 1996/7 and 2002/3, 16 Indo-Pacific Humpbacked Dolphins were caught in the Queensland Shark Control Program; 14 in mesh nets and 2 for which equipment was not recorded".
There arent specified numbers of how many were net caught and how many were drumline but admit some where caught on drumlines aswell.
Not Dolphins, but for Loggerhead Turtles
"From 1995/6 - 2002/3, a total of 350 Loggerhead Turtles were caught in mesh nets and drum lines, an average of 43.8 Loggerhead Turtles per year. The majority of Loggerhead Turtles (345) were caught in Queensland. While the use of baited drum lines in Shark Control Programs has been shown to reduce the catch of many non-shark species, it has not been the case for marine turtles. Of the 350 Loggerhead Turtles caught in Shark Control Programs over the 8-year period, 273 individuals were caught on drum lines."
Though it does state later that most(98%) of the Loggerhead Turtles caught are released alive.
All info from here
http://www.environment.gov.au/node/14596
Irrespective of if your for or against drumlines or shark cull/control, the link above is a great overview of the numbers of species caught in NSW and QLD shark control programs and the conclusions drawn from it. Whether it be an acceptable amount of collateral or to much, I guess is a personal view.
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pot. stir. fuck me i
pot. stir. fuck me i can count to ten and i can also do the math here. squares do not fit in circles. no dig buz but sometimes i think we should maybe consider statistics
carnarvonite
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WTF
WTF does a pic of a big turtle have to do with Barney Rubble holding a big hook have to do with his culling program.
No sign of it having been caught on a hook or in a net
Kyle Evill
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sorry bud just trying to
sorry bud just trying to understand the logic of the east coast turtle captures on drum lines as buz has said. no barny
pic 1 is the size of a solid turtle mouth.
pic 2 is the size of hooks being set over here.
i dont think a turtle could manage to deal with a bait and a bit of steel that big. neither a porpoise. nor a ray.
Buz
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First of all the hooks they
First of all the hooks they use over east are smaller so hence probably more bycatch of non targetted species. This is the official govenrment report about the shark control programs over East so the I am sure it would be pretty acurate of what they are catching over there e.g I dont think they would be fabricating numbers to make it sound like they are catching more than what they are.
Second the hook Barnett is holding isnt the hooks that are being used in the drumlines in WA. The hooks they are using are smaller than that (not as small as over east) and have a 'circle' design to them.
uncle
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all good as long as it doesn't spark
revenge attacks!
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G'day NathWould only be a
G'day Nath
Would only be a guess but I would say they would have identified releasing any shark over 3 mtrs would just get to hard, easier to release it dead hence every species is included.
4 shots to kill does seem excessive but I guess they are pro fisherman and never claimed to be professional shooters.
I to support the cull just keep the kills as clean and fast as possible.
Is there really nothing we can do with the carcasses? Research or food, fertiliser surely something?
Willy
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Kill shots
I am guessing that if it took 4 shots to kill the shark, they must be using an inappropriate calibre, possibly only a .22. Should be using a .308
Willy
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Smokey
We used to use a 22 smokey on a long pole to knock off the big sharks we caught, very rarely would we have to reload for a second shot.
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smokies are unfortunately
smokies are unfortunately illegal so they cant be used by a government contractor.
Maybe they should Taser them
Seriously, a short 12 gauge was our choice. While the water penetration is abysmal its not a concern when its pulled up on the surface and a lot safer in terms of ricochet to a high power rifle.
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I would disagree with using
I would disagree with using a larger calibre as they are working within 1km of the beaches and a accidental shot could potentially hit someone on beach, not to mention firearms aren't supposed over water anyway. But a .22 is a very underrated firearm imo and at point blank will work just fine hardest part would hitting their small brain.
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Meteorite
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Dolphins being killed by drum lines ?
Have heard the hippy shark hugger sea shepherd professional protesters use this line a couple of times now , has anyone here ever caught a dolphin on a normal size hook with any type of bait ? I doubt it let alone a hook that wouldn't even fit in their mouth. They really make themselves sound stupid it's a shame they get so much airtime and people actually believe it
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One
In many years of demersal netting down south I have only seen one dolphin and one seal caught in the net. Up north, between Exmouth and Hedland, using longlines with 13/0 hooks, lots smaller than what they are using, we caught 1 turtle in 8 years so it blows their argument out of the water
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I don't think facts are high
I don't think facts are high onthe agenda of protest groups. Facts rarely generate the same hype of the agenda that is being forwarded.
EM296
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This would also apply to the media coverage......
saltatrix
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Millions of wet liner hooks
Millions of wet liner hooks out there for dolphins to hook themselves on instead a 10X the size drum line hook.
All the oil funded groups are just spreading propaganda
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You are probably right Willy
You are probably right Willy at least with a 308 if they miss they will scare it to death.
For the greens to claim we are going to cause extinction of sharks shouldn't they have some facts on how many are actually out there?
Its only a small piece of ocean which they are being taken from and is managed, no problem.
hornet42
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Shark finning
The number of sharks killed here compared to the shark finning is nothing. iam against the cull.
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thefishwrangler
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+1im against the "cull" but
+1im against the "cull" but at least here the sharks are killed before release. i hate the finning because the sharks are throw back alive alive to drown. still wish the sharks would be used and not wasted both with the lines and the finning:(
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live updates?
do they have a website that will show every capture of what type of shark and where it was caught on which drumline etc? id be curious to see the real info instead of what the media shows us on which was caught etc.
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+ 1
agree
iana
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While I'm not interested in getting into the Yey or nay on this,
While I'm not interested in getting into the Yey or nay on this, what troubles me is the fact you guys have identified the shark as a tiger, whereas the skipper lamely calls it a bull shark. This means to me that the crew have been told what to say, if this is so, will we ever know the truth of what's going on, and how far does this extend?
Surly "Colin" wouldn't do that to us!
sarcasm0
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Pretty clear it was a tiger...
Looks like they might be taking measurements of the claspers?
thefishwrangler
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i cant see any
i cant see any claspers....meaning i think it's a female and they were cutting its stomach open
lame
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bull being a male shark no
bull being a male shark no doubt the media edited it to make him look like a clown
male ( bull ) tiger shark
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hmm
Hows this one for the greenies?
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1415351/inside-worlds-biggest-shark-abattoir-shocking-pictures-show-scale
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thats just plain
farked.
uncle
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like to see our protesters[greenies]
go over there and make a meaniful statement
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kmo
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Fish oil
"But the real money-maker is shark's liver oil, according to WildLifeRisk. It is used in skincare products, lipstick and Omega-3 health supplements.
Hilton said the oil was taken to a factory in Hainan where it was blended, turned into capsules and exported to the United States and Canada as fish oil."
That is pretty interesting information if it is true. I like to get my fish oil from fillets, but the size of the western Fish Oil industry must be massive.
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good ol china
good ol china hey! and our illustrious leader just keeps licking their ball sack and now wants free trade with them! I have a better idea but I won't post it! between japan and china fish of all types will disappear and the greenies are too busy having a go at us to realise what is actually going on in the world around them! sick absolutely sick that article Adam!
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Free trade - what free trade
Free trade - what free trade do we have with countries we have already signed "free trade" agreements with. We let them bring products into Aust with no tariffs and they just keep charging tariffs for anything exported from Aust into their country.
No wonder Holdens are closing and Toyota are soon to follow....
Both Labour and Libs support free trade and say we have to lead the world in this but I bet the other countries are just laughing at us. selling Australia out is what the libs and labour are doing (greens are no better they also support it)
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http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/shark-cull-fishermans-credentials-questioned-20140128-31kae.html?#comments
have a look at this article in the Age. bit of a laugh. Apparently the fisherman called it for a Tiger, and greens accused them of miss-identifying it. greens have called it for a Bull.
Pictures are pretty conclusive to me- it’s definitely a Tiger.
To be so passionate about this issue they don't seem to be very well informed. Really does bring into question their objective.
carnarvonite
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Tongue in cheek
Think you will find that the skipper / decky was taking the piss out of whoever asked what sort of shark was it. Blind Freddy could see it was a tiger and yet this person has to ask what could have been the most stupid question of their life and have it spread across the world wide media, I for sure would own up to asking it.
tangles
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undersize
and now the illustrious greenies are saying the shark was under the 3m size limit! god bless em!!
Howard George
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The Premiers Department
Just heard it on ABC news that the shark that was caught is officially a bull shark and that's straight from the premiers office.
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Yeah, apparently they
Yeah, apparently they corrected the professional fisherman. If that shark had anymore tiger stripes it would be living in the jungle
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Thats just plain stupid
Even an amateur fisho can clearly see its a tiger. Why would the government then say its a Bull -- and I am a lib voter.
As mentioned the pattern off teeth is also not a bull sharks, but more like a tigers (even though I wouldnt have used that with confidence).
I just find that it is going from the sublime to rediculous if they start making amateur mistakes.
Im all for this drum lining - BUT the killers have predominantely been great whites. Bull sharks are considered nastier than tigers, though known especially around Hawai as man eaters, have not been blamed in WA for many attacks. Is this political to fool the masses, or just stupid.
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meglodon
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Bull shark ... more like bull***t
Give me a break here god, saying it's a bull shark is more like the usual bull***t that comes from the palace of late. Dixy Marshall needs to look at the Fisheries shark guide a bit closer
Ben85
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thought I heard Col on the
thought I heard Col on the radio this morning confirming it was a 3m tiger?
Alan James
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C'mon guys
Haven't you listened to or read enough reports to understand this is all media hype. They have stirred the waters to a frenzy and are now having a field day.
Move on, nothing to see here.
meglodon
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Alan you are right
enough said