Dropper loops breaking

 Hi all ive always seem too be having issues with dropper loops on paternoster rigs i use 80lb blackmagic leader but if i hook a half decent fish it always seems too break at the bottom dropper i have switched to crane 3ways and they work but they do have there disadvantages take longer too tie more knots. Unsure if its my knot skills or leader choice if i go heavier leader i seem too hook less fish. 

My pb snap on the bottom meat coupla weeks back 93cm

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 Had the same prob with black

Sat, 2020-10-17 16:49

 Had the same prob with black magic . I now gone with the 3 way swivels.  Yeah they take longer but for peace of mind it's worth it . 

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 I wouldn't be using anything

Sat, 2020-10-17 17:57

 I wouldn't be using anything less than 100lb metro and always use 200lb up north never have any issues. And always use BM leader never had a problem. Plenty of spit when tying.

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Just up scale the line class

Sun, 2020-10-18 15:19

Just up scale the line class F/ carbon line hook to swivel .

 Just a suggestion, what i use.

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https://www.animatedknots.com/dropper-loop-knot

Also do pre rigs and put them in a glad samwich bags marked ,dhu, whitting etc.

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Knot

Sat, 2020-10-17 18:42

 What knot are you using to tie your dropper loop

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 I've found black magic to

Sat, 2020-10-17 20:06

 I've found black magic to have shit batches or if it's been left in the sun it snaps easily too I use 60-80 and  sometimes they snap as you say but majority of time it's good 

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drpper loops breaking

Sun, 2020-10-18 07:32

 I was using black magic 130 Lbs, as soon as I hooked a fish maybe over 7 kg it wood brake, so dont use it anymore, cheers Don.

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 What knot are you using to

Sun, 2020-10-18 07:32

 What knot are you using to make your dropper? And what lb main line and drag setting?.. Using 3 way swivels is easier and much quicker if you crimp everything. A bag of 1000 crimps cost bugger all and makes the rig very clean and fast to make 

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 I use black magic and can't

Sun, 2020-10-18 07:57

 I use black magic and can't say I remember any issues. My bottom rigs are tied with twisted dropper loops. A bit of spit to lubricate the knots as you pull it tight. 

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Dropper loops are a weak knot

Sun, 2020-10-18 09:24

Dropper loops are a weak knot in general, I believe they're lucky to hold to around 40% of the lines breaking strain. 3 ways swivels all the way, use crimps to speed up the time it takes to make them

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 Just curious what brand of

Sun, 2020-10-18 09:39

 Just curious what brand of three ways you use Luke? I use tied droppers as they're pretty easy and quick to tie but might look at doing a few up with crimps when off over Xmas this year, always plenty of time waiting for the wind to drop lol.

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 Same as LJ, shogun. Around

Sun, 2020-10-18 17:35

 Same as LJ, shogun. Around 2/0-4/0

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130 lb

Sun, 2020-10-18 09:50

Shogun swivel on swivel.100 lb where I loop lead on . 100 lb whiplash with 130 lb shock leader ( fg knot)

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Maybe

Sun, 2020-10-18 09:54

 Easier to lookup rig master tackle. They sell pre tied twisted paternoster rigs cheap as chips if you buy a few of them. I bought some years ago when heading noth bottom

bashing, and never had an issue. They come down to like $1 per rig if you buy about 100 of them, and to be honest you would struggle to buy the leader for that, let alone your time tying them too. 

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 Will check that out Scano.

Sun, 2020-10-18 10:29

 Will check that out Scano.

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And their gummy sl8der rigs are brilliant

Sun, 2020-10-18 11:23

All I use when chasing them and the top hook slides to fit any sized bait you want to use  

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I now use one from Taylor’s

Sun, 2020-10-18 20:15

Marine Cockburn . Always used black magic 130 prior . $20 plus dollars for small spool. One with yacht picture on it from Taylor’s . 500 m for around $25 no brainer in my books . 130 pound, firm holds out well ( from dropper line) . Holds any knots.

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3 yachts I think

Sun, 2020-10-18 20:20

It’s called. Also buy swivel on swivels dirt cheap in packs of 100 . ( shogun type) bigger and heavey duty if you like going overboard

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Yup they are brilliant

Sun, 2020-10-18 22:13

Would never use anything else now....bloody brilliant tip LJ and ditto the trace....tough as but knots really well 

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Breaking...

Mon, 2020-10-19 07:12

 If you are breaking your paternoster rigs....i reckon you have had a double header. It was happening to me, particularly eveident after getting cleaned up by sambo's a couple of times. You feel the fish get considerably lighter and then get the fish back minus half the rig. They pull the rig apart. Reckon I have lost good dhuies like that too. I went up to 120lb leader and seems to have fixed the problem.

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 And that's the trick imo,

Mon, 2020-10-19 18:04

 And that's the trick imo, heavier leader doesn't scare the fish off. That was the problem with my first ever trip to Gnaraloo, getting smoked by good fish until a forum member suggested aln elephant gun approach with the leader and haven't looked back.Just the phucken sharks now.

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Yeah fishing in the NW

Mon, 2020-10-19 18:43

I will knock up a heavy rig with 3 ways and find i only have to replace the odd  line to the hook.

One main rig can last a whole trip if you use heavy line for the body of the rig.

Of course sharks and mackies can fuck you up with that..

 

Metro I have tried the same but found big Dhue's to cut the line to the hook in the gill rakers.

Evidence was when on a second drift deckie landed the 17keg'r with my hook back in there.

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Double

Mon, 2020-10-19 18:13

Double headers is why we stopped using that set up. Found it would create a scissor type actio pulling from both ways and snap you off.

Had it happen a few times so changed to crane swivels

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Had same

Mon, 2020-10-19 19:17

On big doubles on dhue boys . 50/50 if you get both up . Horrible feeling :)

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 When fishing bait, Run a

Mon, 2020-10-19 19:13

 When fishing bait, Run a snelled 80lb BM fluorocarbon rig with a 3 way swivel. It won't break or rub through.. very tough. fluoro has is the key