Demersal closed season, etc has been Gazetted.
Submitted by TerryF on Wed, 2009-09-30 08:59
Also
Medium risk (formerly Category 2) grouped daily bag limit reduced from 16 to 12.
Tailor slot limit to be only 2 over 50cm.
Low risk (formerly Category 3) grouped daily bag limit reduced from 40 to 30.
Value of fish is increased by 80% for the mandatory penalties under Section 222 of the Act. That says 10 times the value, example 10x$18=$180 per kilo for Dhufish.
Fish Resources Management Act http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_345_homepage.html
Fish Resources Management Act Regulations http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html (update for these changes to be included)
For anyone who asks about any Disallowance motion against these Regulations, here is a quote from Jon Ford, Shadow Fisheries Minister in extract from Hansard [Legislative COUNCIL - Wednesday, 16 September 2009] p7123b-7124a
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Demersal closed season, etc has been Gazetted.
FRMA Regulations changes for Demersal closed season etc. are in Government Gazette Number 174, 29 September 2009.
http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/gazette/GAZETTE.NSF/gazlist/A96842E2EC16007FC8257640000727A6/$file/gg174.pdf
These regulations come into operation on 15 October 2009
Quote:
At the end of Part 4 Division 6 insert:
45. Closed season for recreational fishing for demersal scalefish in West Coast Region
(1) In this regulation —
closed season means the period from 15 October to 15 December, both dates inclusive, in any year;
demersal scalefish means any fish listed in the Table.
Cod
Cod, Grey Banded Rock
Coral Trout
Coronation Trout
Dhufish, West Australian
Emperor and Seabream
Emperor, Red (Government Bream)
Snapper, Red (Redfish)
Foxfish, Western and Pigfish
Groper, Baldchin
Groper, Bass
Groper, Western Blue
Hapuku
Nannygai
Parrot Fish
Seaperch, Tropical
Snapper, Pink
Snapper, Queen (Blue Morwong)
Swallowtail
Trevalla
Tuskfish
(2) During the closed season a person must not —
(a) fish for demersal scalefish in the West Coast Region; or
(b) be in possession of demersal scalefish on a boat in the waters of the West Coast Region; or
(c) bring onto land in the West Coast Region any demersal scalefish.
Penalty: For a first offence a fine of $5 000 or, for a second or subsequent offence, a fine of $10 000 and, for any offence, the penalty provided in section 222 of the Act.
(3) Subregulation (2) does not apply to or in respect of demersal scalefish taken for a commercial purpose in accordance with an authorisation.
Also
Medium risk (formerly Category 2) grouped daily bag limit reduced from 16 to 12.
Tailor slot limit to be only 2 over 50cm.
Low risk (formerly Category 3) grouped daily bag limit reduced from 40 to 30.
Value of fish is increased by 80% for the mandatory penalties under Section 222 of the Act. That says 10 times the value, example 10x$18=$180 per kilo for Dhufish.
Fish Resources Management Act http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_345_homepage.html
Fish Resources Management Act Regulations http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html (update for these changes to be included)
For anyone who asks about any Disallowance motion against these Regulations, here is a quote from Jon Ford, Shadow Fisheries Minister in extract from Hansard [Legislative COUNCIL - Wednesday, 16 September 2009] p7123b-7124a
Quote:
Today the Minister for Fisheries - we have had a discussion - explained to me behind the Chair the sustainability measures that have been implemented over the past 12 months or so, and offered me a briefing on those. I am glad with today's announcement to recognise those sustainability measures that the minister has taken.
I congratulate the government on its announcement today about tightening restrictions on the most at-risk species on our coast at the moment, which is demersal finfish,
TerryF
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redrocket
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Great, I thought it was
Great, I thought it was supposed to be a ban on the V 5. What science has been used for the banning of all demersal fish?
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mmm
Both sides of parliament agreeing on the implementation of measures, don't hear of that too often!
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wicked game
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might aswell put your boat
might aswell put your boat in the garage for 2 months.
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No such thing as V5 any more.
The "Vulnerable 5" concept has been dead for many months, but won't go away while some people in the media and on forums keep using it.
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hlokk
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Probably because now it
Probably because now it would have to be the V21
(then V22, then V25.... :p)
wicked game
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haha nice hlokk
haha nice hlokk
shammy
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Rec's & Pros?
"Closed season for recreational fishing for demersal scalefish in West Coast Region"
Does this include the Professionals?
I didn't realise they were going beyond the "V5".........
Well done Jon Ford; What do we need now a "fishing party" ??
What's that I hear ah yes- I can hear the banjos playing in the back ground so I don't know why it's such a surprise that we're getting %^$&#*&.
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hlokk
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Pros are allowed to fish
Pros are allowed to fish during the ban in the West Coast Bioregion. However, they cant fish metro waters any time of the year (Two Rocks to Mandurah I think it is). I dont know if the sound is an exception though (i've heard conflicting things)
TerryF
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Doesn't replace Cockburn snapper closure
This 2 month closure does NOT replace the existing Cockburn Sound Pink Snapper spawning closure 1 October to 31 January.
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hlokk
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Not my implication (if
Not my implication (if directed at me). I would assume new rules are in addition to existing closures.
What is the pro situation in Cockburn sound with pink snapper? Is it closed permanantly or just certain times?
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(2) During the closed season
(2) During the closed season a person must not —
(a) fish for demersal scalefish in the West Coast Region;
Penalty: For a first offence a fine of $5 000 or, for a second or subsequent offence, a fine of $10 000 and, for any offence, the penalty provided in section 222 of the Act.
so we're fine fishing for KG's??
how do you prove that??
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
mako magic
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kg's arent under that list,
kg's arent under that list, so no you wouldnt get fined
fishing fanatic
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yeah u wont get fined but it
yeah u wont get fined but it says u cant go for the other fish at all or u get a penalty.. so how do u prove that u were only going for kgs because dhu fish and other things are in the same water and u can use the same tackle.
Rick
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250m line
I think the Pro's can still fish in the Metro area,but must be 250m line or deeper
Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong
Trolling we will go.............
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DhuBoi
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as usual EXCLUDES THES PROS
as usual EXCLUDES THES PROS
living is fishing
Daisy
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There were a couple of
There were a couple of professional wetline Snapper fishermen allowed in the sound during the closure last year, I wonder if the demersal scalefish closure will apply to them? looking at subrergulation 2 I'd say not, nice loophole there and very open ended. I'm not aware of the 250 meter rule perhaps Terry may be able to clear that one up.
As far as the Pollies go I reckon thy're going hard to save a wild saltwater fishery to sell off at a premium when everyone elses has fallen through, it'll be a venerable (and vulnerable) goldmine, Libbers aren't going to save it cos it'll benefit rec fishers or preserve biodiversity so be prepared to fight for it in the future too.
The action is good and required but keep a close eye on the motive, blokes like Terry and Frank will keep us in good stead there.
End of conspiracy theory.
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longhairedlout
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question?
ok it mite be a stupid question but here goes....
if i manage to totally arse catching a pinkie or dhuie etc from the shore what then?
am i allowed to keep it?
hlokk
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The FAQ's says it applies to
The FAQ's says it applies to land based anglers as well.
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/index.php
FAQ here: http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/FAQ-Sep%202009.pdf
"A two-month seasonal closure (for boat and shore fishing) on the take of “high
demersal scalefish by recreational fishers in the West Coast Bioregion (betwee
Kalbarri and Augusta) will apply from 15 October to 15 December inclusive;
mako magic
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good comment, some say yes
good comment, some say yes as its not from a boat,others say no because its still a dhuie or pinkie, will be interesting to see what terry says
Tim
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No
I belive the answer will be no as there is a ban on the taking of High Risk Demersals during that time.
Having said that I dont think the number of landbased fish caught would impact stocks that dramatically. Makes it easier enforcing tho as you cant claim to have caught it landbased.
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Jetties
What, we won't be able to fish for Hapuka from the new Palm Beach jetty
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Tim
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Quote: (2) During the
Thats a good clause. Means no catch and release.
Will stop those who go out and claim to be chasing other species. Especially in the deeper water where there are no other fish to chase on the bottom other than those on the ban list.
Alan James
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Broadies
Better get these added to the high risk species as well. Hapuku as live bait.
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Sorry Tim no it won't
Sorry Tim no it won't because some dont give a shit,There are plenty of people out there saying they will do what they want and catch me if you can , I will be the first to take your picture and dob you in if I see ya out catching demersal fish . and I think we should all help to enforce the new rules ,as there will not be the fisheries to do it .
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andrewm
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Can I
Can I just ask how you will know what there doing unless your out there two doing the same thing?
So you will be dobbed in as well then,I must make a note of your boat.
Tim
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Right
Your right Paul theres always some idiot who thinks they know better or doesnt think the rules apply to them.
flagpole
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this might sound like a dumb
this might sound like a dumb question but catch and release for these species is banned. so we cant even go out for a photo session
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No fishing for demesal fish
No fishing for demesal fish during ban ,no catch and release no photo sessions ,but that is up to you, do you take the chance as it could end up being a very expensive photo session
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sorry if this a dumb
sorry if this a dumb question but what is a Trevalla
does that mean skippy or are they big gt trevally?
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
saltatrix
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There were a couple of
There were a couple of professional wetline Snapper fishermen allowed in the sound during the closure last year,
Doesnt this deceive the point? So its not a metro closure then for the commercials?
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Just one of those deepwater
Just one of those deepwater ooglies mate google it on image and you'll see what I mean.
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trevalla
no supervisor blue eye trevalla are an out deep species reeal deep
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Can a person fish for
Can a person fish for non-demersal scalefish species in the West Coast Bioregion during the closure?
Yes. Fishing for species such as whiting, herring, tailor, skippy and samson fish that are not on the West Coast Demersal Scalefish list will be permitted..
So i can go out and jig for sambos?
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Whting are teh only demersal
Whting are the only demersal fish you've mentioned there Neale but are exempt, the others are pelagic, knife jigging Sambos is def OK but butterfly jigging may see you in trouble, a lot of grey areas as far as fishing techs are involved, bottom fishing for big skippy is much the same as bottom fishing for the banned species.
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Well done to whoever voted
Well done to whoever voted for the Liberals...
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Iam all for the ban but
Iam all for the ban but letting the pros continue to put 10 klms of net out there every day is just crap
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Jigging in for sambos it
Jigging in for sambos it is!!!!!!
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I hope all the net boats
I hope all the net boats sink
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i agree dinger. it may suck
i agree dinger. it may suck big time now but hopefully in the future there wont be these bans and we can fish for many years to come. but as u said there needs to be a TOTAL ban for EVERYONE not just the ammatures. i think those pros come in with alot more fish then wot us guys would.
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Hi, You have to remember
Hi,
You have to remember that not everyone fishes, but alot of people like eating fish.
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Vunerable species
There you go then, if your a professional and catch the 100 or so snapper per trip, (not to mention Baldies, Dhufish, etc;) I see coming in off wetliners in coastal "ports" up and down the coast with their "fishing for the future" ice tubs, the size of small cities then that's ok because your not damaging the stock or affecting the population.
Sort of makes the whole argument Norman Moore puts forward very hollow if the Pros can fish........ Have the pros been set a quota or limit on the amount of fish they can catch per license?
Where does that leave us for two months while the professionals get their fill,(and the fish try to breed)? .......... I'll be chasing some tailor on offshore reefs, KG's off Scarborough, zipping around looking for some more "ground" to log onto the GPS....... Crays are on the menu after 15 NOV, and some diving around Rotto ......
"Fishing for the Future"-???
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There has apparently been
There has apparently been measures to reduce the total catch (TAC) to less than half of the previous catch (compared ours which is at least half of a half of....). I would like to see the figures for the catches though (i think they come out in Nov or something?)
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Our peak bodies have been
Our peak bodies have been chasing this info for a fair while now and repeatedly calling for more transparency on this issue, Terry put this up on another site for people to send to those in the positions to do something about it.
"Hello and firstly I’d like to thank you for reading and taking into consideration my requests and concerns.
With the new focus, tightening of bag limits and closed season now announced in the West Coast Bioregion and Perth Metro waters more recreational fishermen are beginning to take a vested interest in the future of our fisheries. It appears our (recreational fishermen’s) peak bodies are being told that commercial fishing efforts are being managed sustainably without providing hard and fast facts demonstrating this. This is creating a huge amount of doubt and distension amongst the fishing fraternity as a whole.
I believe it is critical then that the Dept of Fisheries needs to proactively answer the questions about management of commercial fishing and catches and ALL the causes of demersal mortality from ALL commercial fishing.
This includes for example,
1. to provide convincing facts and figures and management details which show, and will convince the doubting public that the commercial wetline demersal catch is managed tightly enough so that commercial wetline fishing can still be allowed in any period when recreational fishing is closed or restricted.
2. The bycatch and mortality of demersal fish by the commercial Demersal gill netting & demersal longline fisheries, shark fisheries, prawn netting etc, continue to concern recreational fishermen. It seems that not ALL of these catches and incidental and invisible mortalities are being counted, let alone managed. Dept of Fisheries cannot continue to allow this. The Dept needs to convince people that ALL the aspects of these fisheries are being counted into the mortalities, and that the management plans are the best possible considering the status of the demersal fisheries. Let’s face it there’s no point creating a sustainable Threadfin Salmon/Barramundi fishery while the bycatch decimates the endangered Saw shark population in that area.
These topics need to be answered with the facts. Ignoring them is not an option, because they will continue to rankle recreational fishermen who would see the commercial fishing during the closed season, and these "inequities" will continue to be used to criticize the recreational management packages and divert people from the real issues in those.
Hopefully this data is already accurately available to you to alleviate this issue, if not measures be made swiftly to gain it."
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Blank Cheque
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I think they have closed all the pro's
down in the metro zone. I am sure that is what was quoted at the open fisheries night at the MOFSC back last month when they come down to speak with the public over the new rulling.
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Quote: (2) During the
Quote:
(2) During the closed season a person must not —
(a) fish for demersal scalefish in the West Coast Region
So what if i am out in 30 or 40 meters fishing for big kg's??
FISH FOR THE FUTURE
Shorty
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Thats one of the grey areas,
Thats one of the grey areas, just like fishing for mulloway in the Sound when Pinkys are banned.
At the end of the day you are legally able to target KG's so theres nothing stopping you.
All the boats will be still out there,just targeting different spieces.
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Well I guess if your out
Well I guess if your out targeting kg on small line and hooks anything like a dhuie or snapper should bust you off,also you only need to be in the sound or one mile out for kg ,If your sitting on a dhuie patch pulling up dhuies waiting for that one kg then your a knob ( that is not aimed out anyone )at the end of the day if you feel good letting three or more fish float away dead then that is your chose,i think we should say screw the rules lets go and clean the oceans out I know I could do a lot of damage if I chose to, when are people going to take it for what it is and stop Trying to find way to find ways to justify catching fish during the ban .
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Not having caught a KG, i'm
Not having caught a KG, i'm not entirely sure, but from what I understand there are some good KG spots in the 30-40m range, a similar depth to dhuies and the like, but in different areas (i.e. broken ground, not coral lumps). So if you go to those spots, hopefully the KGs would outweigh the occasional prohibited fish. Going to your favourite lump where dhuie catches outnumber KGs 10 to 1, then I agree its pretty silly and a bit irresponsible. For the record, I dont agree with deliberately targetting any of the prohibited species (for catch and release) during the ban period. It will be interesting to know the clarification on the laws. At least if anyone is caught keeping any of the fish they can be charged for it (and hopefully this will be enforced). As for releasing fish, on the plus side, at least release weights will be mandatory (but a fish not brought up 40m and pushed back down 40 will be still be better off)
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kgs
if i get out in the banned period ill be targetting kgs or trolling or sambo, mulla, skippy
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Guys, I think everyone is
Guys, I think everyone is missing the point here. OUR fish stocks are in big trouble. Its 2 months, during the windiest and least productive time of the year, that we cant fish. So what! Get over it. It is for the good of OUR fishery. Change tactic's, find something else to target but OUR fishery needs a rest NOW. I want my kids to be able to fish with their kids in the future but if we keep fishing the way we are, with the equipment we have and the techniques we use then OUR fishery will become a wasteland. As for pro's, get off their backs. No professional boats fish the metro area from Mandurah to Lancelin I think it is. They are limited to so many days fishing per license and their day starts when they leave port and are monitored by fisheries via a GPS based locating system at a significant cost to the pro. Cray fisherman are not allowed to fish off their boats anymore and havent for the last 2 seasons. To be honest, the professional wetliners which I know, run fairly ordinary boats, and are certainly not the multimillionaires everyone makes them out to be. They do it hard as well and have copped a fair swag of restrictions themselves. So please stop your whining and whinging, go do some gardening, reno's whatever and earn yourself some brownie points so when the southerlies back off you can go and enjoy doing what we all love for many more years to come.
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well said
well said
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Bravo Mick you said it all
Bravo Mick you said it all there is nothing i can't add to that well said .
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i vote we all get addicted
i vote we all get addicted to something else for those 2 months... but what competes with fishing and is legal?