AFL 2023
Submitted by Jackfrost80 on Tue, 2023-03-07 14:13
Anyone want to have a crack at the end of season AFL ladder? Last week I had West Coast in the top 8 
1. Geelong
2. Brisbane
3. Sydney
4. Melbourne
5. Fremantle
6. Collingwood
7. Richmond
8. Carlton
9. Western Bulldogs
10. Gold Coast
11. Port Adelaide
12. Adelaide
13. GWS
14. Essendon
15. St Kilda
16. West Coast
17. North Melbourne
18. Hawthorn
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Brock O
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How old are ya Jack...Happy
How old are ya Jack...Happy to take what ever your offering on that one ?
I'm 46 so should be around long enough to pay out if required.
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Loser has to change their
Loser has to change their avatar and signature to one of the winner's chosing for 6 months
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Brock O
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uncle
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Just put a carton on it
That'll work, ha ha, crispys cleared to play!
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I've already been stung once
I've already been stung once with a monetary bet on here with Randall the big ol' bet whelcher still owing me a lotto ticket!
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He's driving trains now
He's driving trains now mate, might get him on the choo choo Docker express lol
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Farce book is a joke
they ok racist and any flog who post shitfull stuff, and the morons who do it are shitfull
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Most of the talk above is
Most of the talk above is about lists/salary cap space, and fails to consider possibly the most important aspect of team success..... A good coach and a good game plan with buy in from the players! The game plan obviously has to be suited to the players that you have to execute it and that's where the coaches role is absolutely critical!!
The race between West Coast and Freo will largely be won by the team who gets a good coach first in my opinion. Simpson is going to struggle in the immediate future with the health of the list but has always largely been a bit of a copycat coach. Longmuir is then the classic example of the assistant coach that brings the game plan from the club they were at and then as soon as the rest of the competition moves on, they are completely lost!
I called that after watching a few quarters of Freo in round 1 and that has almost certainly proven itself to be accurate now.
This weekends fixture is going to tell us alot about where most teams are truly at I think! Looking forward to it :)
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I've heard from an ex-AFL
I've heard from an ex-AFL player long out of the game who witnessed Craig McRae address his players before a game, and he said it made him want to go out and win for him! Apparently when he presented to the Board for the coaching position there was no chance of anyone else getting the job. Must be a pretty impressive operator. I'm an Eagles fan by the way so just passing on objective information.
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To me...with my limited footy
To me...with my limited footy knowledge, Freo has the list and the coach, game plan has base but the rest is still to be developed as the game is always changing, players being in form / synch atm is way off. Not the only team struggling to start there season though.
How many teams start slow and build form as the year progresses...I'd rather this than be Saint Kilda atm. Ross flying high...I remember the Kangaroos a few years back...Nek minute, while WC as another example last flag they won the start of the season was hit and miss also. Richmond and the Doggies both rose before dropping a year to then go onto Flags. Melboune...well fk were did they come from.
yeah yeah...I know its freo...say what ya want..
We need a solid win this week against GC 100% before returning home against the Doggies...I'm sure once they get going it will be game on, Got some speed in there which is always dangerous when it links up..
Or then again...could be another Gap year...baaahaaa
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Gap year or gap decade Brock
Gap year or gap decade Brock O
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Brock O
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ha ha...ya crack me up
ha ha...ya crack me up Bill.
Given were nearing the end of our 3rd dismal decade it only leaves 2024 to accomplish a premiership, so yeah a another gap decade isnt impossible..
We look at teams like the Cronulla Sharks as motivation...53 years before there first Flag..
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Only another couple to wait
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I think you are a bit more
I think you are a bit more optimistic than I am about their list and coach and while I am a Collingwood supporter, I have always had a bit of a soft spot for Freo and really do want them to be succesful after what has been a bloody hard slog.... I really do think their list is mediocre at best. Hayden Young looks like he has the potential to be a really good player and they obviously have a couple of what I would consider "good" midfielders without been great or looking like they have the potential to be great.
Outside of that I think they have largely gone after out of favour role players from other clubs which now make up a decent portion of their best 22 (or regular 22). And the reason I think the coach is the issue is that as you have said, they have a bit of speed on the outside which can be dangerous when it links up, but they simply aren't using it. They also have some decent ball users by foot across their half back line, however they never take any risks with their kicking and just kick it laterally to each other in 30 metres of space and stat pad until the opposition is fully set-up behind the ball and then after they've kicked it backwards and sideways across the ground 5 or 6 times, they kick a high ball down the line to a 10 man contest. Nathan Wilson for example was a great attacking half-back at GWS that set up lots of forward half play and while that was some years ago now, he is still getting the ball enough in clear running room, but it just looks like all of the dare has been taken out of his game.... I suspect that can only be as a result of coaching as it is not just him and that same lack of a want to take the game on is apparent all across the ground....
Conversely, and obviously been a little one eyed given that I am a Collingwood supporter, you can see that every player is willing to take the game on at every opportunity and this doesn't appear to change at any point in the game regardless of how the game is balanced. Up by 10 goals, play this way. Down by 10 goals, play this way. Over time, the players adapt and that speed of ball movement becomes first nature and all of a sudden they can move the ball at lightening speed and cleanly on most occasions. There is obviously always the risk that when it doesn't come off you get burnt the other way, but it happens less and less the more confident the group get. This is evidently all driven by the coaching group!!
Frosty, as you have eluded to, the football IQ as the coach is one thing but if you can't sustain personal relationships with your playing group, you will inevitably struggle.... Really keen to see if Ross Lyon has changed his approach at all as I had some close mates playing at Freo under him who all agreed that similarly to Jarrad Schofield, his football IQ was off the charts, however only had a positive relationship with a handful of players. I think the head coach role is moving much more towards the binding glue of the group rather than the strategic masterminds which I think can comfortably exist in assistant roles.
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Simpson had currency after
Simpson had currency after winning a flag but has failed to adapt to the rapid pace at which the game evolved and never seems to have a plan B or sends a tag to a players that is dominating us. Bringing in Schofield was a strategic move in planning for the future and I feel we’ll see an amicable parting of ways over the next two seasons much like how West Coast handled Worsfold’s departure with Schofield taking the reigns.
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I hope Schoey is hard ass
I hope Schoey is hard ass
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I know a fella that played
I know a fella that played with him during $ubi's dominance in mid-2000s and another that was ressies coach when Schoey was league coach. Both say his football IQ is off the charts and he is extremely good at creating relationships with players fro first year to veterens to get the best out of them. It did kinda help that $ubi had brown paper bags flying left, right and centre though.....
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Ha ha he sounds like the
Ha ha he sounds like the perfect fit.
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What's the go on ESPN
What's the go on ESPN site...its stating every game is in Adelaide or Norwood oval ?.
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It's a bullshit round held
It's a bullshit round held in SOUTH OZ. All teams there.
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Garbage in my opinion
And their only expecting 200k, paper bags flying there!
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I think this is the first
I think this is the first time I agree with you uncle...
uncle
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Shit I'm off for a
drink by
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Already on it been a long
Already on it
been a long day waiting for this cyclone to piss off.
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Gather round in Adelaide is
Gather round in Adelaide is a good idea I reckon...
Some coaches walk into a good list with flag potential....
Simpson was that guy, Sam Mitchell apparently played a very big role in that flag....
Freo doesn't have a forward line, when you've got fwds like a T Lynch and Jack or Jez and Hawkins or Tex and Fogarty etc etc then you have some confidence to get it in there fast...
They need games into Amiss before he gets the shits and fucks off also....
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Not sure about Sam Mitchell
Not sure about Sam Mitchell Boon. He is short on friends both in the West and in Melbourne. My limited personal experience is that he's a bit of a flog. That probably goes for a lot of coaches though!
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Fyfe joining
The trade game, or just media crap?
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Media crap I think after
Media crap I think after this year it will be 2 years he hasn't played
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Not even able to be fit for
Not even able to be fit for the dockers ...why would any other club go near him. Like a few eagles , it's time to give it away.
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yeah will be interesting to
yeah will be interesting to see how many games he actually plays this year..
Adelaide going well..
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Unlike my tipping Brock!
Unlike my tipping Brock!
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Brock O
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Will take that win in tough
Will take that win in tough conditions from 20 pts down.
Finally some run and go forward, second half Justin sitting on the sidelines like a stunned mullet, one of the assistantance giving advice, Justin gestures with a swinging arm...run run run.
And they did..Go Freo.
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GC just about gave them the
GC just about gave them the wooden spoon. I was thinking at least we have an excuse. Go fweo lol
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uncle
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Yeah beat the 16 th placed team
and now the media has flagmantle back, ha ha
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Cant help the media Uncle,
Cant help the media Uncle, they love your mob too. Not a Saints fan but will be tomorrow.
Pretty sure it was the same team that beat the Cats a few weeks back....play it down all good. Any win early in the season is a good win.
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Don't think that will
change the result brocko, picked your mob yesterday
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Cracker game brocko
Hope u went for the saints.
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Typical Eagles supporter
Typical Eagles supporter
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Ohh brocko
that's an insult ha ha
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Gotta be a better result
Gotta be a better result than the Eagles WAFL team today
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Jesus. How's poor Perth as
Jesus. How's poor Perth as well... not that my Ducks are faring much better
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Lost a couple of close ones
Lost a couple of close ones Frosty
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This tackle BS is fucking
This tackle BS is fucking the year up...
I'd like someone to explain how Will Day gets two weeks for a good hard tackle.
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As ridiculous as the NicNat
As ridiculous as the NicNat suspension from a few seasons ago where he was suspended because he outweighed Amon by 30kg and "had a duty of care to exercise caution in the tackle".
Day's tackle had no deliberate second action and the player happened to land on his head and wasn't injured... not that I agree the injury outcome should determine a sanction and any sanctions should be weighed purely on the act alone.
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Yeah I'm at a loss
I know it's about concussion, but a couple of weeks ago the new brown low captain was asked to come of for concussion test but wouldn't come off!
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All is saved at e girls
Schofield is coming back to wall, could Nik play there as well
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Only one team
came to play last night
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What a great game
Great weekend for footy. Go pies
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uncle
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Ha ha 9 winners
And Nick has the Anzac medal
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We are seeing greatness.
We are seeing greatness. Juddy won a Brownlow in his third season and we could well see that beaten this year.
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Think he touched
Stringer up in the end, what a flog
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8
Picked 8, bloody Freo let me down.
Pies had to work for it specially with having to play against 2 teams, Bombers and umpires. At one stage free count was 16 to 7, makes one think the umps were paid to keep scores even and make a game of it
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Get over the umpire shit,
Get over the umpire shit, what little I saw you guys got protected.
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I got 9 as I had zero faith
I got 9 as I had zero faith in Freo after the shit they dished out against the Suns!
Yesterday's game was effectively a dead rubber in my tipping comp so I was happy to just watch a great game of footy. Daicos was unbeliveable. The belief in that team is quite amazing. I'm no Pies lover but that was a great comeback. I thought the Bombers played well but the Pies were just too good. Some questionable umpiring but that's the norm these days.
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uncle
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Wouldn't expect anything
else from you Billy, but we overcame the odds ha ha
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Amazing
What a weekend in footy
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GREAT
That was a GREAT win.
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Yep I was gonna be
Happy with a draw, umpies failed again
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Cutting
They are cutting it fine, 20 seconds before the siren for Sidey to score a point
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Bit like Dom Sheed on 2018.
Bit like Dom Sheed on 2018. Better late than never
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I guess you have
To live in the past frosty, you've got nothing else
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Can't argue with that lol
Can't argue with that lol
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Ohh the irony
I got a top fan badge from the eagles for comments on their page ha ha
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We'll make a chardy sipper
We'll make a chardy sipper of you yet Unc lol
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Never
Happen Andy, must be for all the ha ha's I put on there posts
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Wow the Pies keep amazing me
Wow the Pies keep amazing me and I'm usually no fan! I thought they really had some bad umpiring decisions in the last quarter and still managed to win. Umps missed a clear free in the goal square in the last couple of minutes. Cudos to Johnson for making sure they got that point to level it up. I've managed to go from 14th in the family tipping comp to third!
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Still amazes me that
Still amazes me that Brisbane have been the only team so far this year to tactically try something different to take collingwoods game away from them. Adelaide were terrible in the last quarter didn't want to win.
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Yep Adelaide need to learn
Yep Adelaide need to learn to win when they being hunted.
WC are so fucked, so fucked they don't even bother including NN on the injury list anymore...
You can't tell me that it's all bad luck they have 19 players injured and other clubs have 3!!!
They need to make tough decisions or the once mighty will be flailing between mid-bottom four years!!
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Like clockwork. Look who's
Like clockwork. Look who's popped his head up when Hawthorn finally get off the bottom of the ladder lol.
We need to make some tough decisions. What like giving up an emerging gun who can play forward or back or roll through the guts and a first round pick for a front running forward pocket that doesn't kick any goals.... sound familar Boon? Hawks basically gave up Ryan Burton and Xavier Duursma for Chad Wingard. Maybe we should bring in a free agent on a 4 year deal like the bruise free footy specialist Amon?
All that injury carnage and we're 0.8% below the might Hawks so if we're that fucked, what are you guys?
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Decisions
They should have made the hard decisions 3 years back before selling the shop and buying Tim Kelly, though he is the only one showing any resolve and trying to win a game for the team and not for self preservation when another coach is brought in to replace Simpson like most of the rest.
Nic Nat is only there because of his contract owing and no other side willing to take him and ease the salary cap pressure
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I don't think I'm quick to
I don't think I'm quick to jump on a bandwagon but WC really need to do a cleanout. I know a lot of the hierarchy at the club and feel they are just protecting each other. Classic case of jobs for the boys. Sad to have to cut champions of the club but that's what it has got to.
Someone who has been involved in footy at other AFL clubs said to me today that a former WC champ and assistant coach pointed out that WC and the Pies played off in 2018 and look where the two clubs are now. Time to change things or the results will stay the same.
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We need Cooky back. He was
We need Cooky back. He was brilliant at at The Eagles club management level. Nesbitt needs to go and probably a few others who are going stale as a bottle of piss.
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He did a good job Andy and
He did a good job Andy and then at Geelong too, where he helped turn them around from a basket case to a champion team. He had a couple of vices that caused some issues but there's no doubting his ability. Let's see if he can do it at Carlton too!
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Like Hawthorn?????
Like Hawthorn Boon ?????
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From the AFL website:"The
From the AFL website:
"The Hawks have one of the shortest injury lists in the AFL with every first-choice player available for selection this weekend and more than a handful of players at Box Hill fighting for a spot in the 22."
A full team to chose from but have racked up one win (six loses) against the team that has won the past two wooden spoons and finished 17th the year before that.
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All these geniuses like
All these geniuses like Damien Barrett with crystal balls and perfect 20/20 hindsight.
At the end of the day West Coast rolled the dice and sold the farm on trying to get another flag out of the current and recently retired group. We also lost 3 first rounders in Venables and Shepperd through concussion and Brander through poor drafting/poor development.
Yes tough decisions could have been made but when you are in a flag window you need to have a crack as it doesn't come around all that often. It didn't pay off, we take our licks and do the hard yards to get back and already started the process last year by splitting pick 2 and picking up Ginbey and Hewett rather than picking Wardlaw. I won't be surprised if we finish last and take 3 first round picks including two top 10 picks for this Harley Reid kid. We have Gaff, Gov, NicNat, Shuey, Yeo, Kelly and Hurn all coming out off big money contracts in the next two season and will then be able to hard at a free agent or two (Tim English and Naughton come to mind) in 2024 and 2025 costing us nothing but salary cap space.
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Good luck with that.
Good luck with that. Wouldn't think a team like west coast would have a chance at those 2
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Talking about hard decisions
Talking about tough decisions and smart list management Boon, let’s forget about the Wingard disaster and focus on the Karl Amon 4 year free agency deal. Amon is turn 28 years old and has played 124 games including 7 this year and Andrew Gaff has also played 7 this year so let’s compare their total stats for the season:
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What's the point?
Shit is shit.... Not sure i'd feel any better knowing my team was the 16th best team vs 18th best team in the comp!
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Coxys
Back
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lol...love the timing Uncle.
lol...love the timing Uncle.
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Uncle is pretty chirpy at
Uncle is pretty chirpy at the moment Brocko....
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I had just read the last few
I had just read the last few comments, Jack and Boon deciding which team was more shit..
Nek Minute...Uncle..Big Cox is back in. Baahhaaa.
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Watch the game tonight Boon.
Watch the game tonight Boon? Hawks back in the running for Harley Reid and Amon and Wingard combined for 1 tackle and 1 goal between the two of them. Very astute recruiting based on making tough decisions on list management
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How was Fyfi shank...fk
How was Fyfi shank...fk useless set kick he is.
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future full forward.
future full forward
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Not that the Eagles can say
Not that the Eagles can say much because Jack Darling can't mark for shit. only way he is getting a run on the park at the moment is because they haven't got anyone else. Seems like he is afraid to break a finger nail.
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He is such a handbag, pisses
He is such a handbag, pisses me off. Said it before they should'da traded him.
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I always thought he did his
I always thought he did his job in the past (although could have done better) but now he is just useless. Too late to trade now I think.
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Trade...lol funny shit Dave
Trade...lol funny shit Dave