I dont agree to paying a fee to go fishing its just another Goverment money pinching scam.

Kev

FISHING IS MY ADDICTION

you pay for parking/launching....why not fishing

then a trust fund can be set up like in the other states so research and education programs can be funded....

If like Kev said it goes into consolidated revenue....well forget it

Here is a link to read the article if you don't have the paper

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=107407

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

Thats what I kinda thought Kev although if the money from the licences goes directly back into fish stock reasearch I would probably support it.

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

a daily licence is a farkin joke its ok if u go out twice a year but if licences do happen will have to be yearly or you get stung every time u go fishin on top of petrol bait tackle maintainence we already pay and pay, whats goin on bans licences whos farkin fish are they anyway dickheads are just goin from bad to worse why dont they just leave rec fishos the fuk alone

"BIA policy director John Jenkin said the group now supported the daily licence system as a practical and equitable approach to reducing the catch"

Practical?

What if you're going fishing early morning the next day and cant get to somewhere that sells licenses the night before? What if you are waiting for the weather report to decide whether to go or not? Having to go to some license place (even its a tackle store) every day you go out fishing, either on the day, by waiting til they open or by having to predict exactly when you'll go several days in advance so you can sort your license doesnt exactly sound practical.

Over east they have licenses and you can get daily licences, but at least you can get yearly ones too. You have an option which one you want to get.

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Always interested in someone to go fishing with

Im not sure I agree with a daily licence but a yearly one would be ok although in saying that just because we would have to pay a yearly fee doesn't help the fish stocks really.

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

 what  if you are in the country (Leeman or other country seaside towns) hlokk said under practical, up there where wold you pay for a license, bloody stupid idea, plus as I just told Bob who is going to police this, fisheries can't be everywhere checking on catches so who the hell is going to police it, marine and harbour, seen them once n 5yrs in Leeman  Bloody stupid idea, just more money revenue.

SPEWIE LEWIE

one at every ramp......

$5 a day...whats it going to send you broke?????

the more ya got to pay.......

why should someone who only goes fishing twice a year pay $50 pa when some crew go every weekend.....

Concept good? Hmmm, maybe.

Not Enough Info? - Definately.

Fortuitous Conclusions? - Obviously.

More Info Required to Assess the (flaws of) The Proposal? - Absolutely.

Unfortunately, these short articles, bereft of detail, at best, fuel speculation.

Licences

Under the proposed daily licence system, operators of registered boats could buy licences online or from businesses such as tackle shops and service stations.

Certainly, daily licences would not work - for reasons (amongst others) that others have already contributed. A combination of daily or seasonal/yearly/monthly licences could work. Someone that rarely goes out to target V5s may wish to buy a daily ticket or monthly ticket, wheras those that target V5s as part of there standard fishing practices, would need a yearly one probably. You can't have a smilar situation to 'Rottnest Passes' - unless you had a 'licence shop' (boat) in all strategic (possible) locations.

Sensational Again - Goodness! - 'slash' I wish these reports could use more measured words! Drastic, now slash - what's next? Yes - is planned - but to what extent introducing licences would contribute to the overall 'slash' proposal is open to conjecture.

The number of licences granted and catch rate surveys conducted by the department at boat ramps would allow authorities to estimate and manage the overall catch.

Oh good!  - Here we go again, more extraopolated data!Obviously, just because you have a licence, doesn't mean you caught and retained (which one are we interested in here and why?) V5s! Oh, and, to put it another way, just because you caught and retained V5s doesn't mean you have a licence. AND - you can catch all the V5s you like WITHOUT a licence - so how does THAT factor into the data?

I'm ALL for a licence IF it results in (or contributes) to GOOD DATA (REGIMES) AND it goes DIRECTLY AND ONLY into that effort.

Colin Molloy

RECFISHWEST Member

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

As with the discussion on the V5 ban, our input was not taken into consideration - so why do you think any solutions discussed here will be - you will be told what to do and do it!

Everyone will bitch and moan and still just pay and complain anyway?

Do commercial guys pay per ton they drag out of the ocean? Why should we pay for per day? fukem?

you can buy you weekly, monthly, yearly licenses from vending machines at Servo's, tackle shops etc.....

You say that this needs to be patrolled.......well if you have a decent fine for being caught without one.....like $10k well Im sure it will convince people to buy one....

agree colin....not enough info at this stage......but a move in the right direction

Crikey Andy - good idea in concept - but two issues. 1) What happens WHEN the machines don't work (due to vandalism or malfunction). 2) It'll take years to get down to Albany ***

Salmo - It COULD be a move in the right direction - IF done and used properly.

Lots more thought and work needs to go into this idea.

***EDIT - If this is not a bioregion specific measure or is carried into the SCB.

Colin Molloy

RECFISHWEST Member

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

As Dreamweaver has stated there needs to be alot more info about this as the article only states that this is an idea they they are thinking of bringing in. Plenty more info is needed like how it would be inforced etc.

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

Davebarry no one said we were going to achieve anything by discussing this. Its just a general discussion as I would like to know peoples thoughts on this issue

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

You say that this needs to be patrolled.......well if you have a decent fine for being caught without one.....like $10k well Im sure it will convince people to buy one.

Parking metres have to be patrolled at boat ramps as they are. As has been mentioned a hundred times by disappointed fishers the metres are destroyed by junkies and vanadals to get in them ofr the cash.

Blokes go out without paying because when the metres broke everytime it gets a bit frustrating standing around on a beautiful day every week waiting for an inspector.

Time is precious and metres dont give a rats nor the people who manage them in a hope to pick up a bunch of penalities off frustrated anglers. 

I remember about 30 years ago Fisheries said that the marron were under threat, and we need to put a licence on them to raise money for research. Can any one tell me of any research that they know of ? How much revenue would they have collected over that period? And I bet they haven't saved ONE marron.

Mr T 

Ya worried about paying for one, fark that is funny, hey hang on, ya may not even get one

The number of licences granted and catch rate surveys conducted by the department at boat ramps would allow authorities to estimate and manage the overall catch.

As i and Terry have  said. look at what ya have, and be careful what ya wish for, you may get something that is worse.

Wally

I live in dampier and regularly go out fishing (2 to 3 times a week).  A lot of times I just go out with a mate up the creeks or wherever with some lures or plastics and spend the day.  We regularly release everything and come home with an empty esky (no beer either).  Why should I pay for a licence to do that?  Who's fish are these anyway?  If I have to pay go throw a line in the water then I will start going to the reefs and getting an esky full.  Wont that put more stress on the fish stocks? Have the licences that are already  in place really stopped people from raping the ocean (or just the recs).  It is just another way to grab more money from us.  They have all these licences in in Vic and Sa and it costs you a fortune before you even get into the boat. 

Daylight savings, Launch fees and fishing licences.  F%&CK is this WA or the east coast.  If you want this shit go back to Vic.

Mick C I think that this is more directed at the west coast bio region. You guys up there should be pretty safe from licences and stuff like that

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

I hope so Watto.

Mr T - you can find marron research by typing 'marron' into the search bar here on the fisheries research - I got 473 hits. Didnt read any - just thought I would check.

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/sys/search/index.php

So licenses have paid for this research. They also pay for the Fisheries inspectors getting out and doing much more field work during marron season. Likewise for abalone season and cray season - more effort is put into these patrols and compliance checking, as well as research, as a result of their being licenses for these fisheries. It is no coincidence that there are more fisheries officers around at key parts of these seasons than at other times.

License also give a better, though not complete, idea of how many people are fishing for those things, and allow direct targetting of those fishers, through mail-outs and all that kind of thing...

I am 100% for a workable licence situation. They exist in other places - surely they can here too. I went to Canada and wanted to try fishing (got nothing). I needed a licence. I bought one from the shop. Then I went fishing. It wasnt that hard.

Money is always 'wasted', or percieved to be 'wasted' in government - personally I think it is perception more than anything - but more money, earmarked for fish research, through any means, is a good thing in my opinion - it will find its way to the right place, or at least some of it will. Clearly not enough is provided through existing funding methods, via taxation etc - why not pay for what you use.

As for the thing about already spending heaps of money on boats and gear and fuel - that is your choice and is irrelevant in the debate. Buy a sailboat and reduce your carbon emissions at the same time!!!

or maybe, if our fisheries were in better condition, we could buy smaller boats and not have to travel so far to find the fish...LOL...wow, what an idea...

Ewan

I'd have to agree - I dont think a daily licence would be very easy to use - just a blanket licence as already exists for the other species - add one on for dhuies, baldies, whatever. Dont fish for them, dont pay.

But i reckon a general yearly licence is not too hard to take? what is the downside? $40 a year or something?

I reckon research is where it is needed. I stand corrected but I dont reckon the bad eggs who take more than their bag are causing the problems, in the bigger picture. We certainly need more compliance, no question, but I think we mostly need more science. Where do dhufish spawn in the Perth metro region? When? How many of those fertilised eggs will survive to become sexually mature adults? What is the natural mortality rate? What is our influence on mortality? These are questions that need to be answered FOR SURE, not guessed from bare minimum research and extrapolation.

Ewan

Money, Money, Money!!!!
Nothin they ever do will be policed and the money wont go back into research. Its another bullshit money making idea. JMO

Fishing isn't a matter of life or death, it's much more serious than that!!!

or be spent on something not important.....

Go and ask your wives and partners what they honestly think about you 'needing' that $500 outfit just to go and hopefully catch a fish.....

Dare you........

too scared of the answer........

tiff

I am bloody amazed to read that you in the west dont have fishing licences. We have had them in Vic for many years.
The freshwater licences help pay for re-stocking of waters. used to be just for trout, atlantic salmon, but now also a good variety of native fish including Murray cod are being raised & released. Also pays for upgrading launching ramps, weed removal, reopening river mouths etc.
However a day licence is unheard of probably because it just wouldnt work. Yearly & fortnightly are the go & I think its the same in Tassie. Pensioners & koories are excempt from needing a licence. Used to buy them from fishing shops but now post offices.
Get used to the idea fellas it`ll be worth it in the long run. Who cant afford just $20 for a whole year? Just compare it to golfing fees!!

I`d rather be fishin`!!!

We already have a freshwater license (SW) F/Fishing on the card.

It was only a matter of time before this fishing licence became policy as it has been in the air for a while,now the government is chasing revenue to pump into failing enterprises its not surprising they opt for easy pickings.

Kev

FISHING IS MY ADDICTION

Where does this stop the pollies get everything for free we pay and yes we vote them in go figure
dan

The Vic licence is called the Recreational Fishing License & covers inland, estuary & sea.
3 year license $66
1 year '' $24.50
28 days '' $12
& surprise 2 day license $6! Now all can be bought ON LINE!
Now no mention of koori exemption. license needed from age 18 to 70
except for usual pension cards.
if interested just "victorian fishing license' into google. A good benchmark I reckon.

I`d rather be fishin`!!!

YES I support daily licences for V5, BUT it must be fair and not a revue tool, but a protection measure.

Daily licence quota's can be applied sucessfully if not connected to exact date, but a number of fishing days per year. ( yes the boggy man...TAGS comes into play) but still has daily baglimits of 2dhuies, 2 pink snapper etc
WHY I support ths is because it's fair to people that only get out once a month or only five or six times a year, BUT stops the 10% gun-fisho's that bag out many times a month. WE ALL KNOW 10%OF FISHERMEN TAKE 90% OF FISH.... as old as the hills that one.
So now if you want say 10 fishing days a year ( that = 20 dhuies max + 20 Pink Snapper max, not that you going to get quoat everytime.) You pay a entry fee for your boat / licence of say $50. Then when you go out, you have to tear off a section of your licence and leave on your dash of your car, or if a pen in a folder at your pen, etc... ( details can be secured later) This stops you re-using your permit / licence if you got fish and not checked by an official. ( also make fines BIG to stop cheats)

BUT if you wanted to get more fishing days a year, the price per boat licence goes up more, say $200 for next 5 days, then $300 for another 5 days etc, limitng fishing days to say max of 90 days a year. That way we stop boats fishing 5 or 6 days a week in the summer months ( 4 months a year) and the winter weather will do the rest. People will have to budget their fishing days and catch limit...

just an idea, but could be a workable one for daily licences for V5 rec-fsihing boats.
ps why only V5, cause that allows dads and grandads with tinnies to still go out and catch non threatened spieces without huge costs.

Full-time piscatorial-idiot, in The Vines. "It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC) Greek poet.
Supporter of Meals on Reels & The Wally Weight

The world as a whole has moved to a user pay system. I believe it is a given that eventually a license of some kind will be introduced. Having said that, given that fish stocks are a public resource, then any license to fish, must guarantee that monies are spent on fish research and management.

 While all concern at the moment is centered on the V5, lessons should be learn't and measures introduced to protect other fish stocks along the whole coast. If fishers reduce their effort on the V5 and replace that effort on other fish e.g. whitting, tailor, tuna then these stocks will need to be protected. Also if fishers change their effort to doing more trips up north or down south to fish for other species, then once again these fish stocks will need protection.

 I believe no license system will give accurate catch data, that can only be achieved through a catch log system.

 Instead of a license, maybe a catch tag system is required. You purchase tags for the fish you intend to keep. If you do not have a tag, the fish must be released.

Buy a pack of Demersal Tags, i.e. 6 dhu, 6 baldies, 6 black ass for $20. Any fish landed without a tag, large fine. Tags must be placed on tail wrist of fish and not be reusable.

While this will not give accurate data immedicately, due to usused tags sitting in boats and tackle boxes, over a period of a couple of years when people start buying more tags then it will give some data back. 

 If successful with the V5 can then be introduced for other species.

as long as you are limited to the purchase of x number of tags per year and decent fines are applied to those who use in excess via other peoples tags.

I can see a daily license they would prefer it to a yearly one, what can they cahrge without an upcry on a yearly one ? 50 -90 ? but If they sting you $5 a day and you go once every two weeks ... or more it could get pricey. Heck a yearly license is not so bad I have a rock lobster one I have yet to catch one lobster. This i s just as alwasy money/revenue rasiing to fill coffers same as always. Technically they make a sh#$%load of money already form us. Boats = not fuel efficient = levy + GST so every day we go out we already support the government with a minimum of what 30liters = 20$ taxes?

arghh lets screw peropple but say its for the people. that seems to be the motto of government. However a small fee yearly I dont mind same as lobster/netting OK.

This also explains why they were out collecting stats on the ramps the other day I think its funny I am wearing a crappy Tshirt and have a hat and a badge that measn I am fisheries ? were did the unifomred ones go ?

Oh anohter thought, what if i dont plan to go sihging, what I i take the little guy out on a whiting mission, so I still need get my daily pass ? that suc#$% as#@$

 You guys can't see the wood for the tress, you need to have a Recfish license and a yearly one at that. Even if it costs just one lousy buk or one hundred buks, you need a license.

It allows Fisheries to know exactly how many anglers are actually using the fishery, and if you fill in a truthful log they get to find out exactly what the fishing pressure is.

You should work with the Fisheries guys, after all its your fishery, you own it and they manage it for you. They are not your enemies, they are on your side, as is the Government.

If they were not they would stop you fishing tomorrow and considering your attitude thats maybe what they should do.

Fisheries and the Gov once said that a License made you a stakeholder in the fishery. Being a stakeholder means you have a real voice, but do you work to get a voice in the Fishery, hell no, you want to spend as much money as it costs you for a yearly license in booze on a daily basis and complain bitterly about the license subject.

Nothing anyone says to you guys gets past that "I'm a rec fishing guy and I will do what I want when I want how I want. And I will catch what I want. No-one tells me what to do".

MaxG.

once it starts it wont stop.  Probably charge us GST too.

Tax on bait, tackle, fuel, repairs, parts and accessories,insurance.  Then you have to pay boat rego, trailer rego, launch fees and parking fees, Club membership, cray, abalone,net licences.  I'm sure I have missed some others.  I think they get enough out of us.

Max do you work for the goverment or fisheries. It's just a question to get to know where you are coming from as your first 2 posts have been attacking the rec fisherman on this site. Don't want to start world war 3 over this

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

FYI MaxG is the Max Garth of Quobba, etc, etc, etc reputation in landbased game fishing in the 1970's, and is retired.



Those of you who have been around the forums for more than just a few years will remember some of Max's many posts.



Read and think about his words. Lots of good stuff in there and in Max's head based on science, experience and some straight thinking.



And lots of stuff which will be proven right in future or will be decided along the lines Max writes.



And no I don't agree with all of it, but yes I do agree with a lot.



This is an good example where people should look at the message and agree on the bits they can agree with and agree to disagree where they can't agree.



TerryF

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Beavering away in the background.......

Your right Max.  I am a rec fisher and I do like to do what I want when I want.  Thats what living in Aust. is all about.

These licences dont effect me now but one day they might.

Thanks Terry at least now I have some idea who Max is

So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!

G'day guys

Is it purely boat fishing or will it also apply to guys fishing off the rocks? Places like here in Kalbarri and Wagoe or S-bend \ Flat rocks etc, where people regularly catch pinkies, dhuies, baldies? Honestly I think a daily licence is unworkable. A licence such as the one Rainbow described is a more workable proposal but with either a tag or log book component so we can accurately determine the total catch. A licence alone will not protect stocks nor contribute to research.

Cheers Mick

It's a great pity that the BIA haven't yet released any part of that report so all this conjecture can be replaced with proper, informed comments on the exact wording and the intentions and the contents of that report and the various proposals and the pros and cons which are included.



Phone message left with the BIA and their web contact form filled out...... http://biawa.asn.au/



Watch this space.



TerryF

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Beavering away in the background.......

I hadnt heard form you for ages

I thought you had found God....or he came looking for you.....

Very wise words as usual......if people work together we will all end up with a good outcome for the fish....and the angler

Best regards

Andrew M 

Tony Halliday - please keep posting, lest the thread be dominated by fools.

Quote: 

"once it starts it wont stop.  Probably charge us GST too.

Tax on bait, tackle, fuel, repairs, parts and accessories,insurance.  Then you have to pay boat rego, trailer rego, launch fees and parking fees, Club membership, cray, abalone,net licences.  I'm sure I have missed some others.  I think they get enough out of us."

ah...did you pay rego to the fisheries department? Launch fees? club membership? No - that money went to pay for the management of those things, in isolation. And no, you didnt HAVE to pay them, you chose to, in order to go fishing and catch a fish. That fish remains there because of fishery management, which to date you havent paid for (exclusively).

you did pay cray, ab and net licenses, and that money went to cray, ab and net fishery management - dont just doubt it because you are cynical, look it up in the annual reports etc - it is so.

The same would apply with a general fishing licence. I think it is a given that the money raised through rec fishing licences will/would be spent exclusively on rec fishing management and research. It would not go to consolidated revenue, dont even bother thinking about that, it just adds noise to the debate.

Ewan

1) Know of you Max(garths rock etc etc etc) and appreciate the input and respect the background, input, comments and frustrations.

2) Agree, DoF are NOT our enemies and they presumably are busting a gut to do what they can with very scant resources.

3) Totally agree that slanging matches, derogatory comments and insults from ANYBODY in exchanging ideas and perspectives is worthless.

4) It needs to be appreciated that, as people move into fishing and hopefully take an interest in the issues that yes, the same issues (and opinions) will reoccur - that's inevitable. Frustrating for those that have seen them all before, sure. But it's still going to happen.

5) I think there is a LOT of respect for the ongoing science involved and repudiate (and find repugnant and falacious) any thought that all, or even the majority of Rec fishos denegrate that science. Sure, some may/will - but my feeling is, it's in the minority. Yes, the articles in 'The West' are another matter.

6) I'd be VERY upset if people thought I didn't care. I'm doing what I can:

(i) Taking the OPPORTUNITY and BEING a stakeholder by being in the Voluntary Log Book Program.

(ii) Even applied for a position as DoF FMO - unfortunately I wasn't sucessful.

(iii) Have also (as Terry said) emailed the BIA asking them to make the report public. 

(iv) Taken an intersest in Fish stocks and issues, in particular the recent WCB initiatives and issues, even though I fish (currently) in the SCB.I may move back to the WCB and certainly expect measures to flow on to other BRs in some form. Anyway, any fisho anywhere should be concerned about fish stocks.

(v) Am a proud member of RFW and plan to continue that way.

(vi) As said before, absolutely agree on licences providing it is done equitably and sensibly AND the money goes to DoF and related efforts (as mentioned before).

Colin Molloy

RECFISHWEST Member

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)