Torium gets my vote !

anything goes wrong you have a 10year Warranty.

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Although Daiwa Saltist have good reputation.

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what do you plan on using it for?

i just baught a torium 50....

i would have got the saltist but i wanted the biggest compacity i could !

iv looked at alot of reviews and the saltist is by far the most popular.

hey mate, a pro for torium is better casting, con for torium is a potentially week and easily damaged anti reverse or free spool switch

i reckon if you plan on casting much the torium is the way to go

Depends what you want to do with it Johh, cos there are many reels out there, avet mc cast nice reels too.

• I would recomend levelwind model unless you running mono, levelwind will  you cost abit of distance casting but saves you so much time having to lay the line correctly, imagine packing the line tight back and having to lay the line correctly without it and if you dont it will cost you that extra distance anyways.

gotta disagree a bit there Dicey, I find it easy to lay the line and when fighting a fish its not a big deal, just have one cast afterwards and then fix it up.

Quite likely a personal thing but i reckon if casting from the beach/rocks a levelwind would not be helpfull. Like you said though, depends what your using it for

hi mate i havejust brought myself a torium 30 , havent got to use it yet but many people i talked to said its basically down to which brand you like best as i got told basically Holden of Ford , both are great reels on any level just boils down to which reel you like best . cheers

thanks for the tips guys

Had a Torium. Still have a Saltist. Pretty much identical reels but I prefer the Saltist because been having a bit of a bad run with Shimano lately.

I have torium 50 and 30 awsom reels good in the boat and really good for casting out big baits into the surf

would the 30 hold enough line for most land based game fishing?

Diawa all the way.

Saltist are just the next level up from the toriums in my opinion.

weight is a major difference saltist 50 = 671 grams v's  Torium 50 = 941 grams

Like Till said, you don't even notice the lack of level wind. Use to take off the level wind from the original abu 7 sprints for better casting distance. Shame they don't make them like they use to. Use to be great high speed spin reels. Wouldn't even buy an abu these days.

When mine crapped itself two years ago (swedish model) they sent it away and apparently the part(s) required no longer existed for that reel. So they sent me a whole new reel. When I first heard this I thought "great, a chinese version" but it was the newest model, also made in Sweden. So maybe many of them still are made there. Was a 5600C4, btw.

Not a big fan of levelwinds, as Jamie said, ony for baitcasters. If you're casting baits from shore with a larger overhead, the number of retrieves you're going to be doing in any given session will be fairly low in number, so not having to manually lay the line on all that much. As far as keeping tension on the line, a levelwind isn't going to help with that, is it? The sheer resistance of your bait/sinker during the retrieve should supply enough tension, imo.

I use all my baitcasters (which have levelwinds) extensively for shore-based lure casting. Many casts in each session, sometimes only using light lures (like softies/1/8 oz jigheads) and never had any issues with the line being too loose. Have hooked some good salmon and the odd medium sized mulla and never had the line dig in while the drag was being pulled. Used same reels out on the boat, again using lightish lures/baits, and again, no dramas pulling in snapps, dhus, sambos (albiet smaller ones!).

Anyway, as said, the manual laying of the line becomes automatic if you do it enough. Gotta be careful with the new, ultra-thin superbraid on jgging reels, though, that stuff is like razor blades if you don't handle it carefully!

when a reel becomes too well built, like abus swedish models you go bankrupt faster.

...that's pretty much true of everything these days. Easier to manufacture crap so it breaks and a new piece of crap has to be bought.

my old abu 7 sprint did soo many miles. caught many a mulloway, mackie, longtails and yellowfin. i upgraded from an old hand me down seascape to the abu and thought all my xmas's had come at once.

sadly it now sits at the bottom of the ocean in 180m of water 20 miles off the nsw north coast. was spinning up a few dollys around some fish trap floats and caught a med sized kingy, in the process of taking the hooks out i threw the lure back over the side of the boat without thinking. With the rod leaning against the side of the boat and only a rod length of line out, a dolly came and smashed the lure right besides the boat and over the side she goes. took a couple of days for it to become funny, haha. 

what would be a good size saltist / torium for land based?

saltist 50 or torium 30 is fine for land based mate, I know people who prefer a torium 50 but im not sure its justified, at least not around perth thats for sure. If you wanna go chasing huge sharks like 200kg plus maybe think about the torium 50.
As has been said with braid backing the torium 30 holds enough line to stop almost everything your likely to find

Iv never casted overheads with braid before im assuming could be some nasty birds nests if ya not spot on with it?

Worse, if you do balls it you're likely to damage the line. A lot of people recommend a 50m plus mono topshot on oh for beach casting, the mono is alot more forgiving and nicer to cast.

ah kk and what knot for that?

Any of the usual; gt to bimini, PR, FG, slim beauty

If topshotting, if you put a double in the mono, you can connect them together the same way you to a gt knot. I.e. you have a double on your mono while still on the spool, thread the braid bimini through the mono double, then holding the braid double open take the mono spool under the left leg and pass through the hole, then under the right and through the hole and repeat. Do it 10-12 times, then carefully tighten, pushing the wraps torwards the mono. It'll creat a criss cross locking knot, and will be super strong, but also very slim, and most importantly no major bumps. Link. In the mono you'd tie a bimini or preferably an aussie plait. You can also coat it in UV knot sense or similar to get it super slick. Otherwise you can also do a wind on type connection.

You can also do other knots, but unlike a leader knot, this knot could be continuously going through your guides so good to have it non-catching. Preferably it wont come out of the guides during casting though.

Thinking torium 30 and 15kg backbone rod