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Is this acceptable Jamie?

http://www.westernangler.com.au/forum/m_189854/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#189863

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Opinions are like ar$eholes,

Tue, 2008-05-20 07:59

Opinions are like ar$eholes, everyones got one.

Jamie is entitled to his.Wink

Me I also dont like to see bags of big fish. But thats because I'm jealousFrown

 

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looks like his post has been

Tue, 2008-05-20 08:05

looks like his post has been edited, fair everyone has an opinion but some people go overboard thats for sure

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yeah agree i think he took

Tue, 2008-05-20 08:12

yeah agree i think he took it way over the line, not called for, maybe he should be getting one of those pms

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couldnt have said it better

Tue, 2008-05-20 08:14

couldnt have said it better, except with a few banned words lol

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It wasn't appropriate to use

Tue, 2008-05-20 08:17

It wasn't appropriate to use a Fishwrecked pic on our site, so we took it down.

In the past Adam has done the same for us. 

Hopefully that is the end of the story. 

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Yep

Tue, 2008-05-20 08:21

All good here.  Just wished good pics wouldn't be tarnished by immature stuff.  How many times does a big kill catch attract criticism from others and how many times do we have to read the same crap. 

Just go fishing yourself Jamie and get over it.  The minister will do his part soon enough and then you can go around all happy n merry n stuff.

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Just wondering if Jamie the

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:17

Just wondering if Jamie the Nob would appreciate me putting those big kill shots up on the site that he sent me on his boat when he was trying to sell it to me just so still have them sitting here in my inbox FRICKIN HIPICRIT no wonder he ask me not to show anyone wrong site to stir shit mate CHEERS SHAG

Lets have a vote who wants to see jamie the Assasin smiling with his slaughter hehehe

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Me

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:21

LOL!!!I do whatever the little voices tell me to do

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Absolutely

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:22

I do whatever the little voices tell me to do

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Yeah go on Shag put them up.

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:25

Yeah go on Shag put them up.

The thing is, even when the new laws come in our catch would only have 2 pinkies less.

Is that sustainable?

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Me again

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:26

I do whatever the little voices tell me to do

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Ha

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:29

 

Seems it's do as I say ,not do as I do .

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Lets quote Jamies email

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:32

Lets quote Jamies email talking about his boat "its basically a fishing death machine thats why i brought it" someone wishs i emptied my inbox a little more often lol CHEERS SHAG

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I think Shag will be busy

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:32

I think Shag will be busy with Pm's from chestnut

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The picture Shag is talking about!!

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:33

Is this one!!

7 cat 1 fish between three people.

And it proves my point precisely. We left them biting that day and released four other pinkies - the ones that swam off easily.

A nice feed without going over the top.

Truth is I'm not jealous of anyones catches - I could out-pillage pretty much anyone if I wanted to.

....but nice of you to betray my confidence Shag you stand up guy - you'd be a good bloke to have in the trenches hey mate.

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The Fishing Death Machine

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:41

Jamie, how many of the fish you released died to other causes? Sharks, Barotrauma etc etc.

May have been better off keeping them.

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You need to fight for the

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:41

You need to fight for the same side to be in the trenchs together as far as betraying your confordance you sent me two emails if youve got confordance in someone after that your a joke.Im sure theres a few people on here that would like me in the trenchs with them .CHEERS SHAG

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Post it mate - I've got

Tue, 2008-05-20 18:50

Post it mate - I've got nothing to be ashamed of.

If it makes you feel good to put some something up that I privately emailed you feel free.

Just not the other ones I sent you please cause I might be using them elsewhere.

Fishing in 30 metres pinkies release very easily - tagging studies have shown that.

And all those fish frames were donated to science to help in understanding the exact nature of fishing pressure on stocks of our fish. Hopefully thats something that you guys do as well.

Shag you can tell alot about someone from their reactions/behaviour on forums sometimes......yeah youre just itching to reply to that statement aren't ya!!!

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Post it mate - I've got

Tue, 2008-05-20 19:36

Post it mate - I've got nothing to be ashamed of.

If it makes you feel good to put some something up that I privately emailed you feel free.

 

 

you talk privately, did you ask dean  and dalmatic permission to post the pics that they put up on this site, i bet not, can see the do as i say not as i do think coming into this, damn definately wouldnt want you in the trenches with me chesterCool

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Yeah well better scratch

Tue, 2008-05-20 19:41

Yeah well better scratch that itch mate im not going to post up your photo there from the FISHING DEATH MACHINE (not my words)I dont really give a toss about your fishing ability.As far as telling alot about someone by their reactions / behaviours on forums your right i can tell your a total tool that gets of on running others down and stealing content that is not your own as far as what you think about me i dont give a ---- but i know i will always stick up for my mates which im proud to call alot of people on this site from nobs like your self .Im not bothering with this thread any longer youve been caught out so BIULD A BRIDGE AND GET THE F--- OVER IT CHEERS SHAG

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Can someone please explain

Tue, 2008-05-20 20:18

Can someone please explain to me the difference of the big fish kill pics that i ( Adam for me) put up about the charter boats not so long ago from freo  hillarys/ to the monties, if my memory serves me correctly the same guys that are commenting were disgusted, whats the difference?

 

Now whether big kill shots are ya thing or not. I personally believe that in this climate i reckon you should refrain from posting them. But hey do what ya want,after it is your god dam given right as long as it is within the rules.

 

This is not a sh%t stir its just my thoughts on it. I have big kill shots,most of us have, but you will never see any of mine on any forum because personally i think it isnt a good look, and for the record the paver shots arent that crash hot either.

 

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I think the

Tue, 2008-05-20 20:33

main concern voiced about that charter boat post was that most of the skippys that they caught were just thrown away. A vastly different kettle of fish - unless you are clutching at straws.
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Heres the thread

Tue, 2008-05-20 20:37

Dunno mate, I can see some difference. 2 each plus some leftovers.

Original thread:

http://fishwrecked.com/node/887

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and

Tue, 2008-05-20 20:44

the monties pic Adam, or the pinky one from a charter at Freo,

 

 6 fish between 3 guys isnt really a big kill shot is it.

 

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Different perspective

Tue, 2008-05-20 20:52

Which is a different perspective of the kill shot causing the kafuffle.  Its just got a handful of the bits and pieces that you get on the way to the dhues.

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Woooooo - hope I'm on

Tue, 2008-05-20 22:27

Woooooo - hope I'm on commission for helping get the web hits up on this site.

I will use simple words so that people don't confuse what I am trying to say....

THE CURRENT LIMITS ARE TOO GENEROUS.

Thats the point I was trying to make.

I was laughing about the fact that there are people who think otherwise.

Personally its been a long time since I have fished up to my limits in Metro waters - particularly where dhuies are concerned - even though with my FISHING DEATH MACHINE (which is more about it being a centre console btw meaning it is a fishing boat more than a pleasure craft) I am more than capable of pillaging just as much as anyone else - if not more.

And lets face it deep water bottom bouncing is 10% skill 90% using your GPS/sounder so its not a brag about my abilities.

Posting paver shots is ego stroking thats all - thats the main reason I dont like them. But thats not what my original post was about...it was about bag limits being too generous and wanting to make sure that I got that view across.

Yes I can be undiplomatic at times - but hey thats me.

And I feel a bit slighted that Shag would bring up something I emailed him privately - basically a shot of an esky with fish in it because I was thinking of selling the boat (with esky) and he had expressed an interest in it - BUT I was not concerned about the shot like I said - just dont know how to post pics up on this site....

Those pics were NOT public domain like those others though (I just should have acknowledged the source is all when I used fw photos)- they were sent in a private email. There is a VAST difference.

And yes Shag I do tend to trust people with these things and have some confidence in people...obviously misplaced in this instance though hey.

But anyway I'm not the sort of guy to back down from a fight but I've wasted too much time on this now...besides a battle of wits against unarmed men is not that entertaining.

I will keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone here has anything intelligent to say about anything else.

I won't be holding my breath......

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ACCESS ANTENNAS hey Chestnut

Tue, 2008-05-20 22:54

ACCESS ANTENNAS hey Chestnut you may as well get one of your antennas and ram it up your arse and you might get a better reception than you will from anyone on any fishing site CHEERS SHAG

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Pathetic

Tue, 2008-05-20 23:08


defending the undefendable Jamie by putting another spin on the story. You'd do well in politics.Wink
Go pillage somewhere else, you are obviously very good at it by your own admission. Sorry but I just don;t like your tone. Too high and mighty for me. It appears you think everyone else is less intelligent and witless. Hmmm a little bit of narcissism too.
Definately a good politician.Wink

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HALVE THE BAG LIMIT

Tue, 2008-05-20 23:16

I might have a chance of hitting it then!!!!!!Laughing

 

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lol

Tue, 2008-05-20 23:17

this would be an interesting conversation if it was in a pub Tongue out

 I only dream of a day where I can bring a good haul home between a few mates, I'm still yet to kill a dhu but you can be certain the first one I get between 65cm and 70cm is a goner.

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Ok then

Tue, 2008-05-20 23:37


Lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt and a fair hearing.Innocent  this thread isn't hyjacking anyone elses photo's so perhaps a bit of latitude to hear you out Jamie and get an idea of where you are coming from.
When was the last time you bagged out on Dhuies?
Have you ever got close to a bag limit of any kind? If so how close?
When was the last time you caught more than one fish on a single lump?
When was the last time you went fishing and what did you catch?
Do you have any paver or aggregate etc killpics in your photo album?
What is your philosophy on sustainability when fishing out wide?
With the changes coming up, how do you think we should fish out there compared to the way we are right now?
If as you say its 90% the sounder and GPS' fault, have you considered writing to the minister to ban their use?
How can a boat with thousands of dollars worth of sounders and GPS's catch less than a boat with a crappy black and white sounder and no chartplotter?
I think a bit of background might help us understand some of your points once we strip away all the negative nastiness from your posts.
Just giving you an opportunity to dazzle us with your wit and intelligence.Wink

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He might be hijacking

Tue, 2008-05-20 23:56

He might be hijacking another site now Andy to steal the answers to your questions lol CHEERS SHAG

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I actually said in my

Wed, 2008-05-21 06:05

I actually said in my submission to Minister Ford that banning GPS would be better than banning electric reels if he's dinkum about saving fish stocks. Don't know how it would be policed though. All these you beaut electronic gizmos with phones and ipods and GPS etc could be easily stashed anywhere on a boat!

Nothing wrong with "paver shots" but trying to look at it from Mr Chester's point of view, these types of photos certainly highlight the fact that the current bag limits are too generous. I'm assuming it was three people (based on 6 dhufish) so they STILL could have kept another 5 fish between them...multiply that by the number of people heading out every weekend when the weather allows (even just the ones that know what they're doing!) and you're looking at an impact that rivals what the pros have been doingCry

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Give the guy a break

Thu, 2008-05-22 21:52

Far be it from me to defend Jamie, he has passion and drive and feels what he is doing is right. Sorta like Wal but without all the smilies. Jamie and I have been fighting for years but we still respect each other................sometimes.

He can come across as having his head stuffed up his butt some times, many would argue an aestetic improvementWink, but you have to remember that he is one of the few guys that can be bothered trying to do something other than just talk about it.

Granted he was a naughty boy in this instance and has copped it for his digression. He may learn something himself for once

My point is I would rather have to fight keyboards at 10 paces with him and try to make an impression than not have the ability to influence him at all and inturn the people that he influences.

Sorry, not normally one to preach just wanted to get that off my chest.

 I'll send down a large tub of mutton fat to help with positioning that antennae 

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been there, done that!

Thu, 2008-05-22 22:15

Learnt the hard way trying to "tell' everyone how to handle murray cod over east before they released em after the glory shots, I was disturbed at the handling practices of those who claimed they were fishing C&R for em.

My attitude towards those who werent in the know had a very negative effect and back fired to a point where I've been banned off nearly every eastern forum for my "CHINNUTS' attitude, I just think the guy has all the right gear and no idea really.

It's hard to be so passionate yet show understanding that a majority dont think like you do, one needs to learn compassion, trust and have sense of the real world before judging others by something as simple as one photo.

It's a hard line, do you follow, support, or just keep doing your own thing?

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Keyboard Commando

Thu, 2008-05-22 22:27

Think you hit on something there Allan, My take on the issue is that Jamie was trying make a point using the photo not judging people because of it.

I think a lot of people are getting sick of the keyboard commando's jumping on the smallest things and making them big issues. Like blokes littering urine filled milk cartons in the midwest for exampleTongue out 

 

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Yeah I know It is a bit

Thu, 2008-05-22 23:03

Yeah I know

It is a bit hard to defend the undefendable.

I must say though that I am enjoying taking the high moral ground for once in seeking his forgiveness. It will shit him to tears

Little bloke, no muscles and what you see is what you get with the superscilious attitude. But you have to admit the guy isn't a muppet

Will have to tell him the story of the old bull and the young bull next time I speak to himWink 

And if your worried about threads being hijacked then you best cull me from here because I have formLaughing 

 

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No more personal attacks please.

Thu, 2008-05-22 23:28


Had to remove a few then guys. That's no very nice.

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Not getting involved but I

Fri, 2008-05-23 08:07

Not getting involved but I must say I admire JC's arrogance.
It's all about how you ask the question not so much the question and he was as tactfully as a nail gun.

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Lol

Fri, 2008-05-23 10:46

Difference is that Wally is constructive these days, rather than destructive.  (Realises danger in that statement :))  He's only been banned here 3 dozen times, but comes back and realises that all we ask is that its kept civil and without personal abuse.

 The same message can be easily delivered without the 'niggle' and is 10 times more likely to have a positive result on those reading.  (This whole JC debarcle has been a perfect example of shit message delivery and why its so ineffective, or, so effective in dividing a fishing population)

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Too right

Fri, 2008-05-23 11:52

The use of the internet to communicate such issues is the problem, and it is not going to get better, some users have to learn to communicate more effectively with there fingers.

Speaking to Wally and Jamie in person you'd struggle to think they could harass insects.

 

Gunna leave this as it is now.Smile

 

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Too right

Fri, 2008-05-23 11:53

mental note...only click onceLaughing

 

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Speaking to Wally and Jamie

Fri, 2008-05-23 12:16

Speaking to Wally and Jamie in person you'd struggle to think they could harass insects.

 

Gee TH welcome to fishwrecked mate, oh and i didnt know you were seeth efricanYell

 

He's only been banned here 3 dozen times, but comes back and realises that all we ask is that its kept civil and without personal abuse.

 

thats why i dont post much Adam, still finding it very hard to do just that hahahahahaha

 

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hahaha your funny wally

Fri, 2008-05-23 12:32

hahaha your funny wallyTongue out

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Good Job Wal - Some Valid Points TH

Sat, 2008-05-24 08:24

I think you did a wonderful job in that last post Wal - keep up the good work Laughing

Tony - you've made some pretty valid and fair points there.

Absolutely nothing wrong with ANYONE being apssionate and having the willingness to do something about it - I'll always respect that in anyone, and do.

There's lessons to be learnt here on both 'sides' and hopefully that will occur. Laughing

It just may take some time and some soul searching. 

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