Without going into the nitty gritty (not read up on the issue),the banning of IGFA Biggame mono lime (used to be called Trilene) sounds way off. Is this a sponsorship move more so than an IGFA lines rule?

I use IGFA Biggame at all game comps!

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not sure ryan, but i seem to think that hes getting something out of this thats for sure. Ive always had trilene on my setups and has to be to best line ive used. They reckon that each spool isnt tested so they wont allow it. But i did find out that even platypus is only tested every 900 to 1000 meters. Last year crew that come up for the comp had to change all their lines cos they werent allowed to use it. And now they say they are going to allow braid for comps! work that one out.

i use trilene (now biggame) or pretest in game comps
thats so bad for future comp if this guys is going to be like this..if it states IGFA on the spool then it should be allowed imo
there is the WA open on this weekend and the Head Judge from GFAA is going to be there, but there none of what line u can and cant use!
its more about the length of leaders etc etc, like most game comps are about

cheers
sam

All other years they only allowed Platypus pretest so for me its an improvement.

To be honest I think it is more to do with what the local tackle store stocked and there own familiarity with that line. At the wiegh ins they only look and feel your line to judge its line class.

You going to try and line class those snapper this year instead Tangles.

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Under what assoc is this competition sanctioned as that should be the rules of which the comp regulations should be judged. Say WAGFA or IGFA etc. Once you know who, contact them for the appropriate information. I'm pretty sure that as long as it is IGFA pre test it should be right. If it is a pending record than it will be tested anyway.

I would check it out( pain having to respool all your reels for a couple of days fishing).

Same same tangles, try to get in touch the the association. There should be contacts on the net. I have fished ANSA and GFAA comps throughout NSW and there has never been mention of line brand. I only ever use Trilene pretest now. Have a go mate and try to find out. Might find some interesting info.

i had the same response last year when i looked into the kallbarri comp. i was told only pre test lines with the breaking strain written on the bulk spool was to be used and they are black magic and platy pretest ....

needless to say i didnt go as im not respooling penn50tw's with new line just to go in that comp. maybe they should provide near cost price line and free line winding if these 2 brands are sponsors. just a thought 

yeah its bloody frustrating i tell ya. Deano at the tackle shop shakes his head at it even though he stocks those 2 lines, he has trilene on there as well but we cant use it. I swear by the stuff, use it on my alvey setup for pinks off the cliffs and wouldnt use anything else. They say just cos says IGFA doesnt mean its sanctioned as they say any line can put IGFA on it so they can sell more of their lines. The comps are IGFA sanctioned but you have to wonder if some people are monopolising from only using 2 lines. Im going to keep hassling them about it until they realise theyve stuffed up. Unfortunately its a small town and because Im not in town alot these days i dont really have much input into this, bloody rednecks! thanks for your input guys and mite see you up there for the classic, lets give em a fishwrecked thrashing i reckon, thatll piss a few of em off thats for sure. tangles

Hey Tangles

I think they call it small man syndrome. The guy is an absolute flogger. Screwed us over on the new Sport & Rec building. He's not an overly popular bloke in town at the moment. A lot of the Shagger's are very unhappy. But why the 2 lines has got me stuffed. If it is IGFA rated then thats the line rating, end of story. I guess its just like hiring his boat, cant hire it unless you have a master 5. If not he can take you out but its not a charter you are just hiring his services as a skipper. Flogger.

Cheers Mike

yeah onya mick, when i first saw that about his boat i pissed meself, master 5 for a hire boat, go figure! Im tempted just to use my trilene and they wouldnt have a clue anyway, seen the way they check the line and they dont bother too much. As for the sport and rec yeah well! sounds like the same as the new golf club, if they dont like you they lock the door and dont let you in there and if you do get in they wont serve you at the bar! Ill have to catch up some time mick, hopefully for the classic if i get the time off. tangles

I'll be in Perth for the Classic for my bro's bucks show, so I'll be missing that one. But yeah have to catch up one day. I'm just on the cnr of Glass and Batavia. Landcruiser with MIX TOY plates.

Nah the sport and rec guys are good, he just screwed us over on the windows and doors. Took him 6 weeks to do the job after getting paid up front. Flogger.

Cheers Mick 

Hullo Tangles,

As an Rolex/IGFA Offshore Tournament Organiser for the last 8years perhaps I can shed a little light on this problem you have.

If a mono line is marked on the spool as 'tournament line' or 'IGFA rated' it can reliably assumed that it will not over-test the stated breaking load. Full details of which Brand Name lines have been submitted for record claims (and those that have failed) are available from the IGFA.

As the organiser I have also submitted 'rated' lines to the IGFA for testing and never had a single one rejected.

I have also acted as a technical advisor to a major mono line manufacturer who wished to produce a 'near as possible' IGFA line, that would also not over-test on their Instron line tester, the same testing machine as used by the the IGFA for record claims.

This line manufacturer co-incidentally produces IGFA rated lines for sale under various brand names in Australia (and the USA).

It would be safe for you to assume that 'rated line' IS accurately tested BY THE MANUFACTURER before being bulk spooled and shipped.

When this line is re-spooled onto the spools anglers buy it is not tested, the cost of the Instron tester and the time and labour involved prohibits this.

I will be generous and suggest that the organiser to which you refer to has made his own interpretation of 'each spool is tested' in an effort to increase sales of a particular brand.

thanks for that mick.b. I actually just phoned up Berkley in the US and had a chat to a guy about it and he had a good laugh! The comp is next week and regardless of what this small man says about what lines to use i will be using Trilene big game and good luck to him if he can spot the difference between that and the kiwi brand black magic which by the way hasnt got any rating on the spools that you buy up here. I will prevail on this issue as its cheating out other recognised brand IGFA rated lines and they should not be monopolising on just the use of 2 lines. I have my suspitions about this guys motives when it comes to using more than those lines anyhow and am in the process of finding out why! thanks for the info much appreciated. By the way im good m8s w deano at the tackle shop and hes all for other lines but unfortunately while it states only those two lines then he only stocks those two types for comps. cheers tangles

is it a IGFA OR WAGFA event or just some smaller event
brenz

hey brenz its ANSA AND IGFA sanctioned comp! dosent matter anyhow im using my preffered line and they can shuv it ive sick of their small town crap anyhow. If i get done ill fight it and i know theyll lose and look like idiots at the same time. Team Fishwrecked.com will prevail again this year!!!!

tangles in the rule books if it has anything to do with igfa competitions they can not stop you using any line that is "igfa" rated so you are right to fire up and tell them to stick it up there ass. they do have the right to push a prefered line but def not bann you from a comp for using a diff line still with the igfa rating sound to me its more of a sales sledge to me or the line manufactures have thrown bulk money in for promo.
cheers brenz.

When I asked the same question years ago i was told it was because they use that line and can tell by feel and look what line class it is. So if you present a fish taken on 3 kilo line they will just look at the line and roll it in there fingers and judge that the line class is correct. They dont check by any other means.

Dont forget for every fish you claim line class you must present the lure, leader and 2 meters of line that you caught it with. If you reuse the rig and loose it the previous fish is disqualified.

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If there is any person on this planet that can 'judge' the class of a line by rolling (the mono) in their fingers they should be in show business!

As an engineer who worked on machining and assembly some of the most advanced military systems of my day I can assure you that this method of 'judgement' is impossible.

Whoever these people are they should be sent back to the funny farm.

I agree with tangles - Team FishWrecked Forever.

cheers boys yeah its funny cos you see them look at the line feel it and thats it! shit i cant even tell one line fm the other by looking at it, maybe the clarity of the line but thats it! ah stuff em im gona use what im gona use and be done w it. Unfort for me most of my reels are all spooled up fm the ultralight classic the other week so not going to bother w most of it but i am gona put a couple of spools of special on a coupla reels and see what happens. Im no big expert on fishing comps and stuff and i suppose thats why i really dont get into em but they picked the wrong person to piss fart around w on this one, dont mess w a scorpio!! Comps on nxt wkend so ill let you all know how it goes! tks for all your help guys! tangles

I will see you up there Tangles.

I dont neccesarily support their particlular line choices. If they used a micrometer and had a chart of IGFA rated brand line sizes/diameters then any brand line could be used.

Just as I see it, and this is only my opinion, the IGFA set out a set of rules to be followed for things such as rigs and line classes.

If a local competion specifies a particular brand of line or style of rig within those IGFA rules then it still complies to IGFA standards as a sanctioned comp.

I just think that if you roll up to the weigh in and pround state that your line is trilene and what you going to do about it. They will just piont out rule number whatever stating choice of line and disqualify you. Game over.

ITs all about their rules in their comp. You dont have to fish the game section. Its your choice to do so.

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G'day guys

That river is a flowin. Good out flow of water at the moment and from all accounts gonna be like that for the rest of the week. Be an interesting comp, just wish I could be here.

 Cheers Mick

yeah mick we went out this arvo for a fish out behind blue holes and the ocean was chocolate for 2mile west, 3mile nth and 2mile south. its peaking 2mw but there is still more water to come down. The river section for the comp will probably be a rightoff. The makks are gona be interesting, either gona have to go 5mile out or up woopwoop to get em. hey Noah ill see you up here m8, ill be wearing me fishwrecked shirt so wont be hard to spot and we.ll be in a tinny called missy2. seeya then. tangles

Yeah dont worry Tangles I'll be watching out for you.

and following you to your snapper spot hehehe 

Last time the river was flowing the snapper where going off in the dirty water just North of town. The mackies were hard to find thou. 

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m8 its like mud! saw a sheep float past yest arvo on the way out! gona have to go a long way to get away fm the diry water thats for sure. Dont worry m8 ive got hand grenades on the boat and im not scared to use em!! heheehe!!! should be great wx for it anyhow! when you gettin up here?

I will be up there Wednesday just after lunch I reckon with my brother.

6.5 meter haines signature towed by my brother troopy.

Spewin I've sold my crusier and my new ones not ready till next week.

2 years ago they nearly cancelled the comp because of the river, the town nearly flooded it was that high. Didnt get clean blue water until nearly 50km North up the cliffs and 40km out it was still hazy. But as I said the guy who won in the little boat class was pulling 8kg pinks from just up arround the sand patch i believe. Got a few there myself

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yeah shes not that bad this year. Got a bit more water coming down on friday. We were out yest arvo and your gona have to a couple mile to get away from it. Couldnt hold bottom in the mouth it was ripping that much. Shes gona go southerly on friday lunch but should be beta next couple days after that. seeing your in a 6.5 and not in my class if i see you out there ill put you onto a couple pink spots if we are close enough. see you at the meeting on thurs nite.

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I was thinkin of gettin out to the reef line 70km west. I believe thats where the pro's work it hard. Do you think its worth the trip or just stick with the cliffs.

Is there any crays in close. Last year we got a few in the pots to make it worth taken them up. 

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geez m8 your bloody keen hey! 70ks west! thats bout 36 odd miles out, you dont wana get caught out there w a sw or southerly coming back! thats way too far for fish noha! crap ill give ya some spots to try if you want m8. im taking me bosses 5.5 centre console so im heading 10-20mile nth got my good pink spots up there, your welcome to tag along if you want seeing your in a diff class! just depends on the wind, got heaps of spots south out on the coral so the options are open! chat on thursday make sure your there b4 5.30 cos its happy hour!!!
see ya then. YEAH youll get a feed of crays!
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Hey guys

While I was searching for information on this topic in for another post I found this one.Look at other thread. http://www.fishwrecked.com/node/5192#comment-57785

Ill see if I can find more on IGFA rating and competition information.  

I think it might be how lines are tested during manufacture, that some IGFA rating lines still break over their stated line class?

IGFA rating doesnt guarantee an under line class rating?

The answer is simple: IGFA does not guarantee, recommend, or endorse any
particular manufacturer's products for any reason, including to ensure
that their lines will not overtest the IGFA line class limitations.

http://www.nzaca.co.nz/_mgxroot/page_10878.html

Ill see if I can find more info on the IGFA rating scenario.