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 Went off the edges on Minilya-Exmouth Rd. All are safe and well...not so for the boat.

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 Wow, that's gotta hurt.

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Exmouth spill

Sat, 2016-07-09 15:11

Yes, it did hurt.
It hurt because the boat was brand new to these guys, although it was their 2nd LeisureCat. Having had one for some 8 years previous also an 8m, they were experienced towers and used the same vehicle.
I try not to get too emotionally involved on this site, but sometimes I just got to jump in and offer up information for so many who very clearly need it.
Like out friend whose only comment is " that they roll over on land like they do at sea" Really, you been in a LeisureCat that has rolled over on the sea have you mate? Let me know which one it was and when or possibly if you haven't, you should shut up and stop talking shit.
The trailers for these things are weighed and stamped, range from 780kgs in alloy to 820kgs in alloy dependant on the axles required. The boats are under the required 3500kg empty of fuel and water and each and every buyer is told this.
The events that led to these poor blokes rolling this one over were extreme and on off with soft sides, we conditions and a wide load coming the other way at speed and buffeting as it went past. Every day, someone gets unlucky, what they do not need is a bunch of speculating dribbling blowhards guessing about what went on.
Likewise they did not need arseholes stopping to fleece all their shit out of the boat as it sat they waiting to be picked up, but that is exactly what happened. They are covered by insurance because they were in the right all the way. They are lucky the boat came away from the trailer otherwise they would have been far worse off and any tosser who says you need to strap a 2.7tonne Cat done on a tri-axle trailer which has rails down the guts to hold it in place clearly has no idea what they are talking about. If you saw the 70mm ball and the way it was twisted over on this trailer, you would thank your lucky stars it did come away. Having built many boats for Police (some 25 odd now) who tow them all over the place, I can safely let you all know (YOU DO NOT NEED TO STRAP A 7&8M CAT DOWN TO THE TRAILER! So now you are all educated, and can take some education into your forums. I hope this is not taken as a shot at Mr Wold, just s follow on to the last line of this forum.
Remember boys, "It is better to be thought a fool than open ones mouth and remove all doubt"!

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 Dont doubt that at all as

Sat, 2016-07-09 16:05

 Dont doubt that at all as the police certainly get it wrong sometimes (flags on outboards Indian Ocean Drive...).
But last year they had a blitz at the ramp here in Geraldton with Fisheries, WAPOL and Main Roads stopping all cars/boats.

And one of the things was that boats were to be secured with RATED straps to the trailer.

The question was asked "what rating must the straps have?"

"doesnt matter, so long as they are rated"

I dont think the police deal with that sort of stuff either, its the mermaids (Main Roads/Haulage, AKA by truckies as c++ts with scales)

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 Poor form , not a overly

Sat, 2016-07-09 18:04

 Poor form , not a overly professional response from a company rep it’s a public forum people discuss things .. maybe clarification on matters would’ve sufficed rather than the hissy fit lol .. 

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It was pretty clear. Boats

Sun, 2016-07-10 08:43

It was pretty clear. Boats will go under 3500kg as long as they are empty of fuel and gear.
Most people that talk shit about leisurecats have never spent any time in them.
Anyone that has met Kev will know that he is passionate about his product and will go above and beyond to help others.
Happy to see a company stand up and defend themselves rather than let the shit talk go unanswered.

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Poor form

Wed, 2016-07-13 12:04

Chris,

Understand what you mean, and apologise if it came over as a hissy fit.

I joined this site not to advertise or to promote my product per Se, but to relax and enjoy my favourite pursuit which is fishing. Have fished since I was 7 years old living in the North west and still do today, in places all around the World where I can wet a line if I am there and lucky enough to.

The main problems with online forums can only be when opinion is expressed as a fact, or based on rumour or even God forbid, ignorance. Allowed to go unchecked it grows like a Chinese whisper spreading that same ignorance and wrong to many others who pass it on and so forth. 

Not only can this have a profound effect on a single person or even group, but it can damage reputations and smear innocents by the simple tap of keys. Is it fair? Should we all encourage it? I think not. 

I will try to keep my posts to more on just fishing, advice and assistance where needed and asked for, but now again will stand up for the wronged and damned as I would in a pub or on the footy field, it's only right.

over the last 6 years there have been plenty of big Leisurecats stopped by both Police and weights and measures, some had had infringements for ineffective brakes, wide loads with no signage and general checks, we have been checked often. Not once, in fact never to be clear, have the Police or Weights and measures asked us to strap a Cat of 7, 8 or 9 m down to the trailer. Not once. Never in my time has a customer of mine been refused insurance ( this situation has happened now 3 times in 16 years with my Cats) on the basis his boat was not lashed at rear to the trailer. So based in those facts, I respond to those posts.

If I hear different I will also post that result as I undertake to assist those fishing friends out there with all boats, not just those my company makes.

I hope this more measured and less emotive response finishes for now this particular thread and we can all go back to doing what we like best. Tight lines!

 

 

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 .. good to have you on board

Thu, 2016-07-14 10:50

 .. good to have you on board .. whatever you do , don't go on the footy threads those weagle supporters talk shit all the time 

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 Watchu talkin bout willis 

Thu, 2016-07-14 14:48

 Watchu talkin bout willis 

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Not trying to pump anyones

Sun, 2016-07-10 11:26

Not trying to pump anyones tyres up but the police use Leisure cats down in Tassie and they are a top bit of kit. Handles nasty West Coast weather as good as any boat and better than most. 

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 Wow that's not nice, not

Sat, 2016-06-04 16:19

 Wow that's not nice, not nice at all. 

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Road Closed

Sat, 2016-06-04 16:46

The Minilya to Exmouth road has been closed due to water flowing over the Lyndon river crossing how long its closed depends on what rain falls over the next few days' Means a longer drive for those who have to drive back, , 80 odd Ks up to Burkett road then across to NW Coastal highway then through the dirt on the unfinished road down to Minilya

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Been raining here in Karijini

Sun, 2016-06-05 07:43

Been raining here in Karijini all night too, probably a couple of inches, still drizzling a bit too.

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Closed

Sat, 2016-06-04 16:58

 North west coastal highway between manilya and burkett road is also closed.

Guess I am stranded in C bay

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Shit thats got to hurt

Sat, 2016-06-04 17:00

 Bad luck boys

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Hey Crano

Sat, 2016-06-04 18:12

You guys still up there? If so good on you!

 

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 overweight?

Sat, 2016-06-04 18:17

 overweight?

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Sat, 2016-06-04 19:40

Word has it that the boat is brand new, 3 hours on the clock

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 What was he towing it with?

Sat, 2016-06-04 19:54

 What was he towing it with?

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 cruiser

Sat, 2016-06-04 19:58

 Cruiser, had tri axle trailer! doubt the cruiser had the weight to keep her in line when it came of the tar! 

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 Doubt insurance will cover

Sat, 2016-06-04 21:07

 Doubt insurance will cover it if thats the case, 8m cats are 4t at a minimum. Tough lesson to learn.

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 It was being towed with a

Sat, 2016-06-04 21:49

 It was being towed with a 200 series. My 8m leisure cat just boat and motors no fuel is 3t so I think they may have a few insurance problems Even if you did have a GMV up grade I think the max you can get is 3900kg and that will cost you about $5k. 

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 Gvm upgrade does not help

Sat, 2016-06-04 23:47

 Gvm upgrade does not help with max towing. I had iton my 200 series. Still 3500kgs!

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 Yep, there is no way upgrade towing

Sun, 2016-06-05 07:31

 Yep, there is no way to increase braked towing capacity above 3.5t on a 200 series.

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 Wow that has got to hurt,

Sun, 2016-06-05 07:35

 Wow that has got to hurt, why would you buy a boat like that unless you had the means to tow it ?

Interesting that if it only had 3 hrs on it, that it seems to have foils on it already?

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i did

Mon, 2016-06-06 07:07

 i brought a boat to big for the current 4wd, then explained to the missus that it was unsafe and would get pinged by the heavies. 

Now i got the Effie.. ha ha 

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I am weeping for them

Sun, 2016-06-05 08:39

I am weeping for them regardless

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Silver fox

Sun, 2016-06-05 09:14

 We are supposed to go home tomorrow but that will depend on the Lyndon river.We extended for a few days as the forecast for last thursday and friday were really good.

Friday was the day of the century basically glass all day and the swell was down and we cleaned up on the fishing.

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Open

Sun, 2016-06-05 09:33

Road is open this morning, had some caravaners through from Coral Bay this morning

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I'm hoping it clears away

Sun, 2016-06-05 09:17

I'm hoping it clears away soon also, mainly to get some sunlight to make some power for the batteries.

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However it was caused

Sun, 2016-06-05 15:48

You have got to feel for the owner I don't think anybody likes to see a fellow boatie in that sort of predicament. A lot of work involved in recovering the boat and some heavy expenditure coming up.
Glad to read all people ok.

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Back on trailer

Sun, 2016-06-05 17:19

I saw the boat a couple of hours ago back on the trailer but still off the side of the road.About an 8 m liesurecat called comfortably numb that I am pretty sure was in coral bay. I guess liesurecats don't only tip over on the ocean.

I have to wonder about main roads closing the Manila Exmouth road as at the Lyndon river there was not a drop of water to be seen this afternoon  

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 Leisurecat 8000

Sun, 2016-06-05 19:51

 Leisurecat 8000 hull only weighs 1800kg ( from Leisurecat website) add 400 to 450 kg for motors and around 800kg for ally trailer gives you total weight around 3000kg with room for fuel fishing gear etc to weigh up to 3500kg which is legal for a 200 series Landcruiser. A far as insurance goes the biggest problem would be if it was tied down properly with rated straps or chains.

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 250 suzuki 278 kgs from

Sun, 2016-06-05 22:27

 250 suzuki 278 kgs from memory, Verados closer to 300 . Shit adds up quick, anchor winch, chain, rope batteries etc etc etc

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 trailer weighs more than

Mon, 2016-06-06 17:10

 trailer weighs more than 800kg bud! ive seen it. Mine weighs 800kg and its ally! he has a willy load more bracing across the guts than i do.

 

Just a reminder to everyone to chech weights!

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Leisurecat 8000

Sun, 2016-06-05 20:40

 Im driving down that road in 2 weeks time so will take extra care even though have done the trip many times.I have a 25 foot boston whaler outrage centre consol(7.62m) and cannot tow with a 200 series.When i fill up fuel /water in Carnarvon i will be around 4200kg (plus heap of gear in my ute tray) Did the numbers recently about getting the 9m Leiesurcat really nice people to deal with.!!!! If i then stop at carnarvon to fill up with fuel and water with normal gear on boat i would be around 6000kg. cant see how boat as described would be under 3500kg. Something not right !!

ps// not having a crack at you Maccas but as a few of the boys have indicated numbers dont add up IMO

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 Sorry just checked

Sun, 2016-06-05 22:36

 Sorry just checked Leisurecat website and the Westerner 8000 is 1800 kg hull only but the Leisurecat Sportsfisher hull only is 1910 kg . Add twin 175 Suzuki adds 440 kg or twin 2oo Suzuki adds 460 kg. Then  add in an ally triiaxle trailer 800 kg total weight is 3170 kg which still leaves 330 kg for fishing gear and fuel to be at 3500 kg which is legal for a 200 series Landcruiser. Whilst it would be over with full fuel it is still possible to manage the fuel load so that it is legal. 

Cant see why you have a problem with those weights as only the trailer is not from the manufacturers website but I do know someone with a Leisurecat 9000 and I am pretty sure that his ally trailer is around 800 kg so the 8000 trailer could well be a bit lighter. Just look at post by Reece above and he has said his 8000 weighs 3 tonne without fuel and his has twin 200 Suzuki on ally trailer.

The Leisurecat 9000 Kingfisher is a much bigger boat that is 3250 kg hull only so all up will be 4 tonne plus so not legal for a 200 series Landcruiser .

BTW I dont have any association with Leisurecat just know a couple of people that own them and looked up the info on a website.

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Lets do some simple maths

Sun, 2016-06-05 22:55

Lets do some simple maths here,

2t dry boat weight, no motors, no batteries, no anchors, no props, no water, no fuel, no nothing.

a tri axle trailer is a ton, 

add 600kgs worth of motors,

thats 3.6t with nothing,

Easily add 300kgs just in rigging equipment, batterys, anchors 

lets just call it 4t, then add fuel and water your now at 4.5t.

simpily a cruiser is well under gunned for a boat like this.

will be interesting how insurance plays this one out. A mate had a similar thing happen a fee years ago and didnt get a payout. 

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 Yes I would not be surprised

Sun, 2016-06-05 23:50

 Yes I would not be surprised if it went overweight by the time you add all the gear essentual to a boat, let alone any fuel or gear it was carrying. Ive seen a lot of pics of this on the fishing forums and havent been able to pick out any "overwidth" signage. At 2.55m wide I hope he had the permits and signage or he may he in more hot water!

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Still a bit of rain here

Mon, 2016-06-06 07:34

Still a bit of rain here overnight, we're going to pull up stumps today and drive up to Millstream. Just to charge the batteries if nothing else.

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Mon, 2016-06-06 09:13

 Lots of large puddles around the place where I'm at too. Wish the cloud would piss off and warm the place up.

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cat

Mon, 2016-06-06 17:05

 cheers Maccas dont have a problems with those numbers i just think in general we all very much under estimate how much our normal fishing gear weights.

I would think weights advertised by dealers would be basic hull only. Once you add normal fishing reqd stuff easy to go over: fish finder Gps wiring transducers music 2- 3 batteries anchors minimum 10m chain rod holders bait board like jackets epirb flares 1st aid kit some tools sinkers tackle boxes,rods reels jigs rigs Eskies bait and or fish etc etc i personally was very surprised how quickly it all added up.

really hope the blokes insurance does cover him. Although looking at photo boat didnt look to trashed. Was also worried how the boat got parted from trailer ??

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Jeeze I get sick of all the crap about insurance

Mon, 2016-06-06 17:26

After 45 years in the game as a claims manager working world wide where do all these weird opinions and ideas come from.....bluntly there should be absolutely no issue regarding claims acceptance and if there is they should pm me and I will assist ! 

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 can you elaborate a little

Mon, 2016-06-06 17:54

 can you elaborate a little more on the "weird ideas and opinions", as Im a little lost on what your referring to and Im guessing you have some good experience to throw into the mix here!

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 Who do you work for? I'm

Mon, 2016-06-06 18:06

 Who do you work for? Will you insure me? I'm going to load my house on my boat trailer and accidentally crash! 

 

Doesnt anything over 5 grand get investigated? 

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 I'm all ears too. Would love

Mon, 2016-06-06 18:13

 I'm all ears too. Would love a bigger rig but am stuck with a cruiser tow vehicle. If it wasn't for the insurance side I would have bigger for sure.

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  So sunshine what you are

Mon, 2016-06-06 18:34

  So sunshine what you are saying is doesnt matter what your towing with what, insure with your mob and when you fuck up you`ll pay out no matter what ????

Best make public who your working for because you`ll get heaps of new policies signed up ;-)

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 Does anyone know how the

Mon, 2016-06-06 17:49

 Does anyone know how the boat came off the trailer?

the bow section between the hulls seems to have been ripped off. 

Sorry to see such a bad sight. I could think of nothing worse than watching my boat getting torn up behind me in the mirror. 

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 To me it looks like one side

Mon, 2016-06-06 18:54

 To me it looks like one side of the trailers wheels have left the road and hit the gravel, the trailer has made a massive swerve and pretty much thrown the boat straight off the trailer.

As the boat has rolled off the trailer the bow chain has snapped and there she lies.

I would say that the rear of the boat was not secured to the trailer either which I recon is not a bad thing because in my opinion that could have contributed to roll the vehicle as well.!

If my family was in the car and this happened I would be counting my lucky stars that the boat was on it's side all alone without the trailer and vehicle.....I would have then walked to the side of the road out of sight of others and cried like a baby.

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28 fury

Mon, 2016-06-06 17:56

 A bloke in bunbury stacked a 28 foot fury behind a 200 series acouple of years ago.Overweight so no insurance and a 180k lesson.

 

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 You just cant  believe what

Mon, 2016-06-06 18:31

 You just cant  believe what the boat manufacturer tells you. How many times do you see rigs on single axle trailers or tandems with no brakes when its obviousely well over what it should be.

FFS I`ve seen a PMY like ours being towed from Perth to Exmouth and back with a commodre station wagon. . . But its a v8 mate , she`ll be right.

I put ours over a weighbridge when we took it home, 2800kg with 50 litres of fuel, anchors, ropes chain etc all on board. No water, ice, bait, food and drink , dive gear etc etc .

I reckon when ours is fully loaded with everything to go camping for a weekend its still less than 3500 kg, not much less though.

Take the thing to a weighbridge and find out for yourself is the only way to know for sure

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I retired three months ago

Mon, 2016-06-06 18:46

Was a marine claims specialist for many years before expanding into commercial, industrial, mining, B I .......private boat insurance is subject to FOS (like motor and home is) and unless an insurer can clearly evidence intentional recklessness they are hard pushed to deny claims of this nature.

And as an aside I cannot believe how many people use their boats as gigantic trailers when going on holiday ......saw many yesterday driving back from Denham with my 6.8 ( which was empty of everything other than an empty esky and tackle box ) which were packed to overflowing ....

As I said if anyone has insurance issues I am more than happy to help as have helped a few on here with some crappy attempts by insurance companies to do the WRONG thing .....I still provide consultancy work for many insurance brokers around town ! 

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I'd agree - insurance

Tue, 2016-06-07 19:26

I'd agree - insurance companies know (or should) basic details such as this as a matter of course - they also have an obligation to ask appropraite questions to minimise thier own liability.  When they are all to happy to take the premiums and ask questions later they can on occasions be taken to task on these type of issues.  There are some variences but never accept a denial in the first instance.

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It appears to me

Mon, 2016-06-06 23:23

That there are a lot of people adversely commenting about some blokes bad fortune and really trying to put the kicks into him while he is down and when he is probably feeling bad enough.

Can anyone who has commented negatively categorically state that the weight being towed was outside the constraints laid down by DoT, can anybody categorically state that the bloke was wilfully breaking the law, again I don't think so.

If you are a frustrated would be copper go and apply to join the WA police force or go to all the insurance companies and offer your services and tell them you will save them a fortune by judging claims purely from a couple photos The should snap you up in an instant.

Oh and I hope you don't live in a glass house. Sheeesh

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Still a lot of water laying

Tue, 2016-06-07 10:44

Still a lot of water laying around up north guys, so exercise caution. Here in Millstream they had 72mm over night.

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Tue, 2016-06-07 12:01

 That your Motorhome in your pic? Looks like a Denning.

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Yep, 1982 model, Landseer,

Tue, 2016-06-07 15:27

Yep, 1982 model, Landseer, Its been on the market for over 12 months now, but the markets slow. I don't mind much if it don't sell, as I'm continuing to add to it. Mainly the only people who want to see it are tyre kickers.

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cat

Tue, 2016-06-07 21:13

 Meglodon, Definately wasnt trying to kick this poor bloke while he was down far from it !!! Ive always found this site very informative on a number of subjects. I myself have picked up a number of handy hints. My point was that a lot of fisherman do overload the weight on trailers but do it accidently by under estimating the amount and weight of gear we all carry.

Also going on what others have said, was concerned boat may not have been properly secured to trailer. Was very lucky by the sound of it that no traffic was coming the other way.

Just my observations and maybe accident is a timely reminder to fellow fish wrecked members check your weight and secure your boats drive carefully and come home to your family thats all mate. To make a dollar i sell finance and insurance on boats.

Better to be educated and prepared and dont give insurance company any chance to decline your claims.

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By the time I went past this

Mon, 2016-06-20 14:27

By the time I went past this accident they had already moved boat off the road. Their faces said it all, they were truly shattered but more so very lucky no one was injured.

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Boat Tie Downs

Wed, 2016-07-13 13:11

Can someone point me to a site that says the boat must be tied down, either DOT (I have a 100 Series Landcruiser rated to 3500kg), Main Roads (mine is oversize so I have a permit) or insurance (Club Marine).

I have a 7.5m boat, which I have had weighed at 3.357 ton fully loaded (fuel + water + all fishing gear). I don't recall seeing written anywhere that it must be tied down to the trailer, although happy to admit I might have missed it.

At this weight, if things turn to custard, I would think it wouldn't matter if it was tied down or not....the rig is going to go where it wants, and you'll be a passenger.

Different matter for my tinnie....I tie that down.

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 No I havent seen it either

Wed, 2016-07-13 18:23

 No I havent seen it either directly, but it is written that a load must be adequatly restrained and a boat on a trailer is no different to a generator on a flat bed or a D9
So it certainly is open to the interpretation of the authorities.

Your insurance will certainly have a clause in it saying insurance may be refused if you are not towing in compliance with applicable road rules.

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Wed, 2016-07-13 13:53

 Have a look at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/new-road-rules-for-wa-from-april/6329922

and https://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/UsingRoads/RoadTrafficInformation/Pages/load.aspx

as these may help or ring your local police for their ruling.

 

A few years ag the visiting Customs people visiting a sw port did not use the turnbuckle tie down devices when retrieviving their approx 8m cat from the water and the strap broke when on the boat ramp angled bit which is lucky as if it had happened on the road it would have been dangerous or worse.

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Those new one piece

Wed, 2016-07-13 15:39

Those new one piece windsreens on the Leisurecats look awesome!

Feel so sorry for the owner the loss would be painful and I hope insurance does the right thing and glad to hear everyone was OK.

And good onya Kev for standing behind your product.

 

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I have had a look at both of

Wed, 2016-07-13 15:46

I have had a look at both of these sites and they actually relate to load restraint on heavy vehicles. This I think, has raised its head as a result of the introduction of the Chain of Responsibility last year.

I work for a large transport Company and I have had a chat to our Safety guy who trains all of our drivers in proper load restraint practices.

In his opinion, the boat is being carried on a trailer specifically designed to carry it. It rests in a cradle that is designed to restrict (not prevent) movement laterally. The winch post and safety chain is designed to restrict forward and backward movement. Therefore it is adequately restrained for normal driving purposes. He believes that the intention of the legislation is to restrict movement in the normal course of operations ie braking, accelerating and cornering.

If however, you were involved in an incident that required emergency braking or a rapid evasive action, there is every chance that the trailer might not restrain the boat. Hence we try to assist by using tie downs or straps.

In reality, you could chain down a heavy piece of equipment with rated chains but in an evasive action such as above, there is every chance that even rated chains would fail under the kinetic energy developed in the evasive movement. Lets face it, despite the truckies compliance with the legislation you don't often see a trailer lying on its side with its load still in place

In any event, he is going to contact the Head Trainer who trains all of the heavies (what did you call them Rob, Mermaids ? must remember that one !) and get it straight from the horses mouth. I will update this post when I hear back.

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OK - Heard back from the head

Thu, 2016-07-14 14:37

OK - Heard back from the head trainer at DOT. He says there is no such legislation. He owns a boat himself and if there were such regulations in force, then he reckons he would be the first one to know about it.

Having said that, he does strap his 6.0m boat to the trailer, not through any legal obligation but through personal choice to keep it secure.

Take from that what you will. Interested to hear if there is any other views from responsible authorities out there.

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This may be where some

Thu, 2016-07-14 14:48

This may be where some confusion is coming from. I found this in the National Transport Commission Load Restraint Guide. this is the current guide but is being revised later this year. This relates to the transporting of a boat and trailer on the back of a truck.

RESTRAINING A CARAVAN
The axle(s) or wheel(s) should be restrained by two separate lashings positioned
diagonally in opposite directions on each side.
Trailers (including caravans) when transported over rough roads, can suffer from
excessive bouncing if not fitted with shock absorbers. In such cases the suspension
should be ‘blocked’ to prevent damage.
Where boat trailers carrying boats are transported, the methods outlined above should
be used. The restraint of the boat on the trailer should be checked to see if it is
adequate. The boat should have a strap over the stern, attaching it to the trailer. A
safety chain should be used in addition to the wire rope from the trailer’s boat winch to
the bow of the boat. If the boat is fitted with an outboard motor, its mounting to the stern
might not be designed to withstand the bumps and other road shocks encountered
during road transport. It could be necessary to restrain the motor separately or remove
it for transport.

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 Wouldn't it give you piece

Thu, 2016-07-14 14:51

 Wouldn't it give you piece of mind being strapped down? I hit a kerb with my trailer once with it not strapped and the boat jumped and the keel got caught between the roller and the bracket. It was an absolute bastard to get off. Probably wouldn't have that issue with a cat.

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I agree - I actually strap my

Thu, 2016-07-14 15:12

I agree - I actually strap my boat even though its > 2.5t sitting on the trailer and the straps would snap like string if there was an event.

I found this on a Club Marine newsletter:

The checklist should include ensuring the tow hitch is properly snugged down and that the safety chains are securely attached. All trailer lights should be checked, the winch should be properly locked, the brake lock-out secured and the bow eye safety chain should be fastened securely. All tie-downs need to be checked and tightened if needed. Speaking of tie-downs, all vessels resting on trailers should be secured by tie-down straps at the transom. Without adequate restraint at the rear, boats can bounce on the rollers and skids, causing instability and hull and trailer damage.

So I rang Club Marine who said its a recommendation NOT a requirement. So as far as I can see it looks like its personal choice.

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 Gotta remember that the

Thu, 2016-07-14 21:29

 Gotta remember that the straps are not to hold the boat down, but lift the trailer at 700kg or so

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 I emailed dept of transport

Thu, 2016-07-14 17:26

 I emailed dept of transport vehicle services and he replied with the foolowing. 

"The Department of Transport can only assess the vehicles and not loads, the loading requirements can be found on the load restraints guide at :- transafewa.com.au/training-resources/
www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/(E62BE286-4870-ED95-1914-1A70F3250782).pdf "

 
He also confirmed what i had ben told previously in that a vehicle with max braked towing of 3500kg must only be fitted with a 50mm ball and is not permitted to tow using a 70mm ball. I cant see how a 70mm could be anything other than overkill but technically speaking the unfortunate lads up the top may not have been "in the right all the way". 
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I agree and I do strap my boat down

Thu, 2016-07-14 16:45

just to throw one in the mix. If boat isn't strapped down and comes off, hits another vehicle while towing, you could find yourself in a very sticky situation !

I also called insurer regarding strapping boat down and . Nautilus mentioned it's good practice for peace of mind.
Also called Main Roads they said the same, and that it's not a legislative requirement yet.
Probably wouldn't have this issue with a cat though.

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 I've got an enclosed trailer

Thu, 2016-07-14 18:04

 I've got an enclosed trailer and I always spend the extra few minutes making sure the cruiser is secure. Boat and trailer are raised to the roof and secured. I'd hate it if everything flew out the back.

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  Generally speaking you are

Thu, 2016-07-14 18:21

 

 Generally speaking you are required to have your load adequately secured for the driving conditions that you should/would expect to encounter.

 This inculdes travelling at speeds for the area which might include highway speed, bumps, kerbs, corners and wind/gusts etc.  

 If it comes off or shifts to the point of being an issue in the above senarios its not secured adequatly.

 A roll over is a totally different senario (unless caused by all or part of a load shifting) - even chains fail under those sorts of forces.  Impacts with other objects such as trees and embankments just compound this further .

 Unless you could show a boat and trailer seperated prior to rolling you'd be hard pressed to say it is inadequately secured,

 once it rolls its going to take a hell of a lot of securing not to seperate (that said the string you use to tie a chooks legs in for a Sunday roast probably won't cut it).

 

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 i use a strap on a very

Thu, 2016-07-14 18:18

 i use a strap on a very small boat but not for strapping down purely incase the winch post fails in any way

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Strapping down

Thu, 2016-07-14 19:22

You would be surprised at the amount of boats that come in with cracks in the hull from being strapped down too tight.

The side rollers and bunks are only there to balance the boat while the keel rollers take the full weight, strapping it down puts pressure on the bottom in from the chines and can and does cause major cracks, so if it has to be tied down then only enough tension to hold it from bouncing is warranted