Commercial Fisherman in sound

 Hey Guy's 

was just taking a boat for run Wednesday and noticed a approx 23ft Dark Blue ali with a Ali windscreen / spray deflector with LBF numbers coming I to Cockburn Power boat club. It looks like the snapper fisherman who used to work the sound.

does anyone know what he fishes for?

 

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 They fish snapper, squid,

Fri, 2016-12-09 10:49

 They fish snapper, squid, herring ect.. there's still 2 snapper lics I'm aware of. Also a boat that wetlines deep water 

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 There's also a nother 18'

Fri, 2016-12-09 10:51

 There's also a nother 18' Ali that runs out of the Freo sailing club for squid and herring 

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Fri, 2016-12-09 12:18

 Came across a couple of floats, a large one and 2 smaller ones about a k or 2 out from Palm Beach yesterday that looked to be the start of a net or something.

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 Probably pro occy pots.

Fri, 2016-12-09 14:32

 Probably pro occy pots.

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Fri, 2016-12-09 21:52

 Cheers Reece, could well have been as there only appeared to be only one end floating on the top.

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 Thanks Reecejust thought it

Fri, 2016-12-09 16:14

 Thanks Reece

just thought it odd with the demersal ban on.

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 The ban is only for Rec

Fri, 2016-12-09 18:17

 The ban is only for Rec fisherman. You can't make a pro pay 200/300k for there license and permits then only let them fish 10 months a year you'd go under. I don't think they can fish pinks when the sounds closed but 

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Bulls#it they go under

Fri, 2016-12-09 18:37

there's no way they go under cutting them off for 2 months. All these pro wankers winge about everything and there hard done by. The licences do cost heaps and that's why u would never get into it from scratch these days. 99% of pros have had there boats and licences handed down and they all make shitloads of money and rape and pillage the sea. They're all wankers and think the sea is there's.

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 That's a bit rough curndog,

Fri, 2016-12-09 20:18

 That's a bit rough curndog, everyone has right to make a living. While they might make shitloads of money they would work pretty hard for it. I would assume the those who do make a shitload of money would be the larger corporations. I reckon for most of the one man band pros do it cause it was the life style they were brought up with.  

The couple of local pros in the estuary I have met have been nothing more than helpful and generous with letting you where the crabs are and what they are catching. One pro who I was watching netting one arvo called me over once he had finished netting and gave me a bucket full of yellowfin, tailor to 50cm and mullet. Just my experience with a few I've met. 

If all pros are wankers then there are a few ex-wankers on here that from my experience have always been more than generous with the information that they give to other forum member over the last 5 or so years I have been a member for. Not something you would expect from a bunch of wankers. 

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Well said

Mon, 2016-12-12 16:34

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 The only big money in the sw

Fri, 2016-12-09 20:48

 The only big money in the sw Is in Crays! People see the price of fish in a shop and think that's what a wetliners getting payed.. by the time you get a boat in survey, instal a VMS, buy or lease you're Permits, plus the fees to transfer it all to you're boat, units, a transport truck, winches, rigs,fuel,ice,bait, pay a decky, have 2/3 moorings along the coast, annual boat survey inspections, services plus a hole lot of other shit you need to be catching a lot of fish just to break even let alone start making money.. 

 

And the hole rape and pillage thing! If a pro hammered his ground non stop there would be nothing on it for months. Pull a few fish of it each time and there will always be fish on it 

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 Pot calling the kettle black

Fri, 2016-12-09 21:27

 Pot calling the kettle black sounds like.
I know alot of commercial fishermen, I was one, and more than a few of my fellow FW members have benefitted through the generosity of my friends who are still in the game.

There are also a few dicks amongst professional fisherman in about the same ratio as recs and also the rest of society as we all know.

Have a think about what your saying.

If "99% of them have been handed down" and "they all make shitloads of money and rape and pillage the sea", then our fisheries are either extremely resilient, well managed, or you are speaking bullshit.

I didnt have anything handed to me, I bought in, did about 10 years and sold out.

But if you REALLY feel that way why dont YOU quit your whinging and whining, and actually do something about it such as join up on one of the reference committees?

You have no idea what your talking about mate

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 pro fishermen have a pretty

Fri, 2016-12-09 20:02

 pro fishermen have a pretty big out lay in there job.They have had a lot of restrictions put on place for them to keep the fishery substainable.To say they rape and pillage is a bit harsh.Most do make a good living but so they should for the amount of money they outlay.Fifo workers do pretty well and they just turn up without outlaying anything but their time.Running a business  isnt cheap and you are never garanteed a wage.

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Just out of interest. How

Fri, 2016-12-09 23:28

Just out of interest. How many forum members have bought herring, crabs or yellowfin whiting from a fish market before?

My local Farmer Jacks has crabs sitting in the freezer covered in freezer burn. Surely it'd be in the community's best interest to put a freeze on all new licences and licence transfers for a whole range of species.

Let those who make a living off it keep doing so and then that's it.

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just to get this straight

Sat, 2016-12-10 08:32

 it might seem like I am picking on you jackfrost but I am not.

Rec fishos take more than what pros do. It is documented fact.

But rec fishos numbers grow every year and in some states the government actually want more people to rec fish.

I think something else other than culling or sustaining pro numbers needs to be done to manage the fishery and fish numbers.

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 That's rubbish. Pros take

Sat, 2016-12-10 09:48

 That's rubbish. Pros take far more. And they are entitled to as a professional. There are only a few species inshore species that recs take more than pros.

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 Yep reel and rod catches

Sat, 2016-12-10 18:13

 Yep reel and rod catches more than a net or long line lol

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I had a chat to the crab pro

Sat, 2016-12-10 18:22

I had a chat to the crab pro in Mandurah one morning before heading out to get my 4 crabs I wanted. I noticed that he had crates upon crates upon crates full of blue mannas just sitting there in the February sun.

Pro YFW catches in the Peel system have increased 250% since 2011 and are well over the quota. My brother saw local YFW being sold for bait in Shark Bay.

Pros have no place catching easy to catch species in high population ares.

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couple of points

Sat, 2016-12-10 18:43
  •  people apparently want whiting for bait, pretty sure I have seen people on here requesting it from Shorecatch. Where should this come from?
  • Shark Bay, selling "local whiting" for bait. Maybe it actually WAS local whiting, of which they catch shitloads in Shark Bay? Seems odd, literally ice to the Eskimos? I cant imagine why they would advertise "Mandurah whiting" as bait in Shark Bay, even if it was surely  it'd be better to let people think it was local bait?
  • If Mandurah caught YFW fetches more money as bait in Shark Bay than as food in Mandurah, then that is a little skew wiff
  • In terms of eating quality, is there any difference between SB and Mandurah whiting? Just curious as we have had SB whiting aboard ship in our stores but never seen Mandurah whiting for sale.
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Great points. What's your

Sat, 2016-12-10 22:29

Great points. What's your thoughts on my last paragraph?

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ok

Sat, 2016-12-10 23:44

 whitings tasty, but Ive never fished for it and only had it from the frozen blocks we get supplied at times.
Pilchards are bloody nice as well though as supplied by Freo Sardines

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Silly me, I plum forgot to

Sun, 2016-12-11 18:13

Silly me, I plum forgot to mention I was referring to bread and butter species. I assumed others would be intelligent enough to work that part out for themselves...

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Bait

Sun, 2016-12-11 18:42

 Bait.
You were referring also to bait

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Yes that's right.

Sun, 2016-12-11 21:51

Yes that's right. Overcatch=oversupply=bait=less fish for mum dad and the kids to catch

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Sun, 2016-12-11 22:54

 sorry Jack, but Im lost and not sure exactly what you are disagreeing about

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You certainly can

Tue, 2016-12-13 08:00

get YFW heads for bait easily in Shark Bay. Sold after filleting.
But the whole whiting you sometimes get as bait up there is seconds IMO. They are always damaged in some way. I have no direct data but if you catch a species a certain proportion of the catch wont make the grade, or are damaged in the process. I would rather have these seconds for bait than to just dump it.

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  Dodgy - What data have you

Sat, 2016-12-10 10:18

  Dodgy - What data have you based this opinion on?

 

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 The easiest to access is the

Sat, 2016-12-10 10:36

 The easiest to access is the current fisheries release on bag limit and size changes. Gives a species by species break down of rec and commercial take. 

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How many people use

Sat, 2016-12-10 11:27

 Yellow tail for bait ? Dark blue sounds like little lady( frank). Only catching gardies . Herring and yellow tail.  This time of year.Lic been in his family for many many years. 

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 Thanks Johnny. 

Sat, 2016-12-10 12:29

 Thanks Johnny. 

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http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Doc

Sat, 2016-12-10 12:38

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/management_papers/fmp280.pdf

That's where i got the figures from.

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Rock Lobster, professionals

Sat, 2016-12-10 13:43

Rock Lobster, professionals catch 95% of the TAC which is their allocation.
Rec's 5% but up til now recs have not been anywhere near their 5% hence the bag limit changes.

But lets face it, mostly the other fisheries that people feel are conflicted, are metro and southwest.

And as Ive seen written many times on other pages, people want to buy bait etc, but dont want to see it caught.

So where is this "fresh bait" that most fishos want to buy, going to come from?

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My bad

Sat, 2016-12-10 14:15

yeah my bad rob I  actually know a few pros where I grew up down south and they good blokes. I had a couple of bad experiences in Perth including a couple of days ago where a cray boat and there crew were calling abuse at me and giving me the bird for know reason other than they think I was in there way when I been anchored up fishing for the whole day but apparently I should have moved for them. Anyway had a few too many tins before making that comment. I Was fairly raging about it but shouldn't have branded them all wankers. I Take it back

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ha, no worries wouldnt mind a

Sat, 2016-12-10 22:25

ha, no worries wouldnt mind a few tins myself but I wont see the wet side of a beer before 2017, out at sea!
Who knows what they were on about, but no=one does that for nothing, maybe they had just had a hook and sinker come up on a pot rope and thought it was you or something.

 

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 Reece this is great! We

Sat, 2016-12-10 16:57

 Reece this is great! We really are wankers. Bahahahaha 

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 I love it!! Peanuts blaming

Sun, 2016-12-11 00:50

 I love it!! Peanuts blaming the pros cause they can't catch a fish  

few tins when we're home ya wanker! 

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 post some gps co ords.Pretty

Sat, 2016-12-10 21:19

 post some gps co ords.Pretty sure you will get some love then LOL

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 If there's a sure way to

Sun, 2016-12-11 10:48

 If there's a sure way to f@$k a spot it's give it to a Rec fisherman!!! I got pinged on a mark that I'd been fishing for 3 years pulling good numbers of big deep water fish of it and had never seen a nother boat on it. Next weekend there was 2 boats on it, 2 weeks later on the way past I seen 5 boats on it. Now every time I'm in the area there's always a boat on it and I'm lucky to pull 2/3 fish of it if I do drop. Yes pros catch a lot of fish but we spot farm! You never completely wipe out a mark and if you have a good day on a mark you generally don't fish it for 2/3 months after!  A Rec fisho will hit the same marks till its dead then still go past for a drop every trip

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 I'm a little lost Reece, are

Sun, 2016-12-11 21:42

 I'm a little lost Reece, are you now a pro fisherman?

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yes he is!

Mon, 2016-12-12 07:57

pretty sure Reece is now part-time operating a wet line boat in the SW.

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 Been doing a little bit

Mon, 2016-12-12 13:33

 Been doing a little bit mate 

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 Hey Reece that was a joke

Mon, 2016-12-12 07:21

 Hey Reece that was a joke mate deff not serious.More satifying finding your own fish.We dont fish our spots more than a couple of times a year and allways leave them biting only taking a few.We have experienced the same thing when spots get pinged and they are stuffed after a few months.Seems if people dont catch fish mustvbe the pros fault even if the pros are fishing where most rec anglers never go.Maybe some people need to find new ground we always find new lumps that hold good fish just have to spend the time and the rewards will come.

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Haha, I remember seeing some

Wed, 2016-12-14 11:47

Haha, I remember seeing some photos of a certain boats deck at the Monties a number of year ago!

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Tue, 2016-12-27 17:55

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 Jeez Barney that was some

Sat, 2016-12-10 23:58

 Jeez Barney that was some shooting yourself in the foot information right there you posted wasn't it!!

 

"Rec fishos take more than what pros do. It is documented fact.

But rec fishos numbers grow every year and in some states the government actually want more people to rec fish.

I think something else other than culling or sustaining pro numbers needs to be done to manage the fishery and fish numbers."

 

A documented fact eh??

 

The documented fact you posted pretty much told me what i initially thought and that was you are talking total shit!!

 

I gave you a chance and scrolled, i didnt have to get too far down to confirm you were talking shit....

 

Hey sure, there are some species that recs take more I wont deny it but the majority are hammered harder by the pro's...

 

The other concerning thing Barney is when you see how the species might have been caught, I know you might have noticed because you obviously studied this document but where you see "trawl" next to said species this means indiscriminate slaying of whatever the fuck ends up in the net...

 

Have you heard of by-catch Barney.... By-catch is no good Barney, but we not even counting by-catch right now are we...

 

One more thing Barney can you please tell me the total catch of Pinks by Recs vs Pinks by Pros??  Surely this one was one where you thought oh no i am telling a big old porky pie.... But you still went on the record here and dribbled shit.....

 

 

 

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fuck

Mon, 2016-12-12 05:10

 are you right mate? having a bad day or something?

when i get time I will answer you properly.

It was something I saw in a paper but I will dig deeper and find out exactly for you when I get a spare 5 mins.

But I mean go ahead and believe whatever someone posts on a forum by all means!!

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 I take my hat off to the

Sun, 2016-12-11 09:08

 I take my hat off to the pros, like i do farmers.

Running a business that is dependant on strict regulations, weather and animals that we dont have total control of.

There would be good years, bad years and average years.

If it wasnt profitable the pros wouldnt do it. Why would you

I have faith in the experts these days regulating the industry for the future.

Over east alot of the ab divers have lowered their quotas to boost stocks for the future.

 

 

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 And without them i would

Sun, 2016-12-11 09:28

 And without them i would have found less fishing spots haha

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Sun, 2016-12-11 20:44

 With Dhue boys opening soon. If you loose rigs around pots( amature or pro pots). Rap a rag around floats .  Not many do it now days 

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 Just tie a knot between the

Sun, 2016-12-11 22:55

 Just tie a knot between the floats

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timboon the only one shooting themselves in the foot is yourself

Mon, 2016-12-12 16:48

 you even agree that some species are taken more by rec fishos than pros. So whats the problem mate?????????????????????????????????????

Go and contradict yourself on someone elses time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 I waited all day for you to

Mon, 2016-12-12 17:28

 I waited all day for you to get 5 minutes to prove recs take more fish in wa than pros and that's all you can muster? 

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Thu, 2016-12-29 08:44

the issue, is that you generalised, and said that recs take more fish than pros..... period. Your dumbest move however, was to add that the last statement is documented fact. 

 

This is is a recreational fishing website barneyboy. 99% of us know that isn't true, and you shouldn't be getting your back up for being called out over it. 

 

If youre going to go barking boolshit, make sure it's not to anyone that knows better! You're wrong, been caught, and need to stick your hand up and cop it, then move on.

 

 

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 Thanks for your concern

Mon, 2016-12-12 18:21

 Thanks for your concern Barney but i am fine, I just dont deal with dumb so well....

 

You see Barney on a site like this where there is a wide variety of guys/gals/kids whatever, everyone is entitled to an opinion and also the right to debate that opinion if they think what is being said is off the mark.....

 

When a dickhead with no idea comes on here and starts using words such as "ITS A DOCUMENTED FACT" then it would be very easy to mislead those that perhaps arent as informed or didn't open the DOCUMENT that was supposed to prove how the rec fishos take more than the pros.

 

I'm still awaiting your 5 minutes Barney, I'm also still waiting for the Snapper total tonnage from recs vs pros from you...

 

One last thing again Barney, dont you think every state would want people to catch more fish???

 

I sure know if i was running a state/country i'd want families to be out there in the outdoors, catching their own food, showing the kids how to clean and cook it, eating a very healthy meal, spending big $ on fishing gear, fuel, bait, ice, booze, camping gear, 4wd's, lisences, boats, kayaks, caravans, campertrailers, holiday houses etc etc etc etc....

 

Do you have a better suggestion? Shall we all sit on our arses and get fatter? shall we limit the recs more and allow the pros to export our best fish out of THIS FUCKING COUNTRY???

 

When you have 5 enlighten me and dont forget about answering the snapper question will you now Barney

 

Boon....

 

 

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sorry mate

Mon, 2016-12-12 20:15

 not going to waste my time. You obviously dont get it. At least some people on here do. Anyway, what is to stop you having a look for yourself and seeing what it is. And if you really are that concerned about it publish your findings.

Goodluck with slagging people off to try and get your point across. It might work wonders for you one day!!

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 I dont get what Barney?  Yes

Mon, 2016-12-12 21:48

 I dont get what Barney? 

 

Yes please dont waste your time here "documenting" junk....

 

Stick to the facts if you are going to use the big lingo

 

Apology accepted Barney.....

 

Oh.... Just one more thing because you are piss weak and can't just fess up and say you fucked it up i'll put the numbers up for you mate -

 

PINK SNAPPER per annum

 

Recreational fishos take - 50 - 60Tonne

Professionals take 450 - 500 Tonne!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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I will thank you though

Mon, 2016-12-12 21:53

I will thank you though Barney for posting the link to to that document, there were a few very worrying aspects of that paper but definately one for me was the total tonnage of the Blue Groper taken...

 

It wasn't that long back a POTM was old mate that shot that big blue and alot of crew here whinged about it....

 

To see that the pros are taking 30 - 60 Tonne of them a year is pretty rank i reckon!!

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well timboon

Tue, 2016-12-13 12:35

 i was going to try and explain what I meant and make an effort to find the report that I read, But by the way you have carried on, I don't think you are worth the time of day!

Nothing more to add!!

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 Defeat conceded.

Tue, 2016-12-13 19:44

 Defeat conceded.

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Well

Tue, 2016-12-27 18:02

 Thats awkward ^

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 Haha. Just like the bloke

Tue, 2016-12-27 18:08

 Haha. Just like the bloke that gets a flogging outside the pub, gets let up and retreats till he gets his breath back and starts the shit talk again. Ready for round 2 flogging.

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 Lol just like the other

Tue, 2016-12-27 18:11

 Lol just like the other post.

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That's round 2

Thu, 2016-12-29 09:03

That's round 2

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Lol you guys

Mon, 2016-12-12 22:31

 Funny . Go back more years . Prior to when you where born . Pro guys  hundreds a night. ( pinks) cockburn and warnbro. Cray guys 30  plus pinks every day while getting 30 to 60 full cray sacks full of Crays. Overnight Dhue trips 50 big boys a night . ( easy) . Now days very well managed . One rule I do disagree with pro cray guys should still be able to get amature limits while out there all day( 2 dermersals per angler). Without pro guys every fisherman would be screwed no bait( if you buy it). New ground prob wouldn't even no it was there. Negatives and positives on both sides. I personally think the only bad one is crabbing atm. Blues prior to summer . Females all year round . ( not cockburn or estuary inc). Taking females all year can't be good to fishery.( shooting themselves in foot). Pink stocks on increase. Dhues ( unsure) . Crays ( millions) well managed by pros and fisheries . Whiting I don't follow. Both you guys have good points . Without pro guys fishing world would all fail. No bait ( main factor).

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 So if ya recon a pro cray

Tue, 2016-12-13 00:01

 So if ya recon a pro cray fisherman should be able to catch his Rec limit of fish while pulling pots do you agree that a wetliner should be able to pull his Rec pots and bring in Crays?

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 Yeh no problem, but the boat

Tue, 2016-12-13 10:56

 Yeh no problem, but the boat has to be in commercial survey, have a Coxswans or master 5, commercial insurance, lease of buy your pots or

units,fill out returns ect same as every one else 

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do you also then reckon recs

Tue, 2016-12-13 05:42

do you also then reckon recs could buy say a 2- 6 cray pot licence and sell their crays commercially ??

and why not let recs have , 100 metres of shark net , to set and check , licensed and sell the catch ??

or how about we are able to set a few crab pots and sell the catch .not many just say 10 crab pots if you wanted to ??and i reckon small abalone rec licences would really go off if blokes could sell them as well .....i mean , theres lots of blokes that would like to have their rec boats get a lfb licence of some sort to fish with ...

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Whats wrong with pros having a rec licence?

Tue, 2016-12-13 07:02

 Crayfisherman and wetliners now have a strictly divided licence system. Crayfishermen cannot sell fish unless they have bought a separate licence, that stupid bloody rule change they bought in years ago had the unintended consequence of meaning that you couldn't even bring in a pot caught , bycatch fish to eat. Yep, you just had to throw it back. Feeding big bluebone to the sharks. Have that occasional red emporoer come up in a pot out deep? Sorry, chuck it back all blown up, because fish in pots come up a lot quicker than they do on a line. Throwing back big pinkys, nor-westers, little chance of survival, just such a waste. The change was just a bit of common sense creeping back in. 

A lot of pro fishermen also enjoy sport fishing, I was one. Ever see Nat Godero chucking big saltwater flys at sambos out the islands off Kadaicha? Actually casting out the side sliding  wheelhouse window,head and shoulders out,  as he was pulling pots, what a hoot.

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ranmar .my post was abit

Tue, 2016-12-13 08:02

ranmar .my post was abit tongue in cheek above

however thing is its easier to police and manage if recs fish from rec boats for pleasure and afeed , commcercials are very welcome to do the same .......buy a rec licenced boat and fish from it ??

recs cant fish commericaly from their boats, nor would the commercial sector want them to

you just get blurry lines of accountability & operation when you start down the path of allowing access from commercial vessels imo

fire away at will lol

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If they are fishing strictly to rec rules?

Tue, 2016-12-13 08:24

 Why should they have to buy another boat, and go out separately, just to catch a feed for their family? Another boat at the ramp, who needs that? As I said above, unless they have a wetfish licence, they cannot sell their catch, period. And this is strictly observed, the penalties are just too high, your livelihood is at stake. Amateurs selling catch, on the other hand, now we all know that happens, and will continue to happen, regardless of penalties, price of seafood makes it very attractive. I have always had contempt for shamateurs--these blokes think they are shit-hot fishermen because they can cherry pick the good periods and weather with no extra financial outlay.. I'd like to see them make the financial committment to buy in , and make all your income from it year round, see how effin good you are then 

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their income is derived from

Tue, 2016-12-13 09:34

their income is derived from their boat /business /licence ........

so rec fishing defined as ''enjoying the experience & catching a feed along the way '' for them needs to be seperate, same as for recs , we need to keep our fishing non commercial ......using a commercial boat with business costs & deductions , etc just doent fly imo

otherwsie let us ''buy in '' small pot licences and small wet line access ?? & recs can then sell there catch or part thereof

thing is ranmar , humans are always going to revert to type .be they recs or pros , holding contempt for a single group may work for you , but i reckon its fair to say both group have dishonest wankers buried amongst them who are happy to bend and break rules as they see fit if they can get away with it

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 There would also be tax

Tue, 2016-12-13 09:58

 There would also be tax implications Hezzy, IE how much use is private and how much commercial so more of a headache for the pro than anything else. I agree keep it seperate.

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 Happy for the commercial

Tue, 2016-12-13 17:53

 Happy for the commercial boys we all have to make a quid so long as it’s all sustainable ..

 
My only gripe would be the price domestically at a retail level , I see today my local has Dhu fillets for $85/kg or whole $34/kg or Pink fillets for $60/kg or whole $25/kg 
 
It’s a sorry state of affairs when local families without boats can’t afford to eat a local resource . I realise demand dictates price and I presume a fair amount of our top table fish are wholesale exported giving rise to that demand , it’s sort of ironic the majority of our prime fish is being exported and in turn the same larger companies are importing farmed fish to supply our local market because people can’t afford what is our own resource . It be nice of these larger corporations that have all their fingers in the pie , catching / wholesaling / exporting and retailing western australian resources to consider reducing their retail margins to locals. Dreaming I suppose so we had better get used to the idea that fish n chip shops , smaller restaurants and food chains etc will eventually just stock imported crap because it’s not viable to stock local product .
 
I’d be very interested to know a roughy on margins from boat to retail domestically ? just to access who’s making all the money here and why it’s so exy considering the Pro’s are apparently pulling 500’000 kg of pinkies per year that’s a shitload of fish surely the domestic market should get a dividend as well by getting it a bit cheaper .
Rant won’t amount to much but that’s my bitch for the day 
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 I thought there was

Tue, 2016-12-13 18:02

 I thought there was something in the works with Crayfish Chris as to a certain % being marketed soley at our local market at a reasonable cost. And you are right fish prices are just unaffordable for most so a lot of people make do with Nile perch WTF! 

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 Majority of the fish that's

Wed, 2016-12-14 00:56

 Majority of the fish that's exported is because local markets can't turn over the volumes of fish that sum big companies are catching in there fleet. And most of it is trawl fish. Almost all of the wa and Delfina the sw line caught fish is sold at local markets or taken to the floor where it may be shipped inter state and summtimes over seas. 

 

When it comes to pricing most fish mongers are working on very small profit margins sum times less than 10% by the time they have processing lic, pay filletters, transport and refrigeration ect. 

The price fish mongers pay a pro for dhuy hole is around $17-$19 depending how much is around and how much they will take. If they then sell it for under $62 a kg they don't make a profit on it! Yes sum places have it out at $80/$90 a kg but not a lot of people can pay that sort of money so it's specialed out. You also have to remember your return on fish is about 40% so if you fillet a 10kg fish your return is around 4kg of fillet

Every one thinks there's massive money in it but by the time you pay lic transfer fees yearly fees fuel bait ice ect and a hundred other little things fisheries, dot and any one else that can dip there finger in has had a go there's F$&k all left in it for the bloke that's putting in 15/20hr days and putting his balls on the line to have a go! 

The other thing is funding the hole thing! Yes the bank will lend you money to buy a boat but at machinery finance rates of around 15% licenses, permits ect you'd be very lucky to get any one to lend you a cracker for that so you need a few 100k in the bank! And then your riding the hole thing on weather and if the fish are biting that day and a million other things that you could never even think of till it happens.. 

 

but if all that sounds like easy money be my guest and have a punt

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thing is however there is

Wed, 2016-12-14 06:06

thing is however there is money in it
otherwise comms would all be bailing out , and no one would be staying in .......

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 Then ya have to get paid as

Wed, 2016-12-14 07:25

 Then ya have to get paid as well.....

 

you made it sound to easy! 

 

New rules for south coast as well!!!! 

We just scraped in, I wouldn't quit my day job 

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 Cheers Reece being upfront

Wed, 2016-12-14 09:12

 Cheers Reece being upfront with the figures .. so a roughy would be a 100% markup from boat ($17) to retail ($34) for whole dhu

 
I can appreciate the overheads involved in your side of the equation and would rather a win/win situation whereas the pro’s are getting a bit more and local consumers are buying for a bit less .
 
I daresay though the retailers ( fish mongers ) are making a bit more than what they are spruiking can’t see their overheads being anywhere near yours ..
 
Certainly not easy peasy money on your side of things . Maybe we could buy direct from the boat and slip you $25/kg 
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 As Bryce said there's also

Wed, 2016-12-14 10:48

 As Bryce said there's also the getting payed issue!! You're always 2/3 if not more invoices behind! Fish mongers have it even worse with sum restaurants taking 60 plus days to pay a invoice when the fish was sold and payed for with in a week of them getting it! I know most people say "why don't you stop supplying them then" all they do is go to you're competition! Pleanty of other fisherman or suppliers out there!

 

and yes hezzy there is money in it.. no one goes to work for free

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 Sounds much the same as in

Wed, 2016-12-14 16:40

 Sounds much the same as in the construction business, Tight margins  and clients that think its ok to go to 90 days when you clearly state 30 days, which is plenty of time to pay...

you have to fork out for labour materials insurances fuel ect ect ect it can get prety stressfull... atleast the weather doesnt affect me to much 

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 Actually the weather does

Thu, 2016-12-15 03:26

 Actually the weather does affect us alot in the building trade.

Looking at the water driving to work on those good weather dsys is torture.

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 Haha Yeah that is true !

Thu, 2016-12-15 12:11

 Haha Yeah that is true !  Looked pretty sweet today..

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 We can sell hole, direct to

Wed, 2016-12-14 10:53

 We can sell hole, direct to the public or whomever we want but you start doing that and your local fish monger will start turning your fish away cause you're cutting in to his matlrket. You might make a bit extra on the few fish the public will take but that's soaked up by Then having to drive or freight your fish to Perth 

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i used to fillet all the fish

Wed, 2016-12-14 11:30

i used to fillet all the fish for my skipper back in the late 80s when we wetlined,

mainly cause i was cheap labour & i did a shite load better job than he did .lol

we targetted resturants and quality outlets who where happy to take our fillets, made sure they where packed well and all clean and shmicko on delivery etc ... even sea sweep sold when prepared well for better money than the market would pay if you value added with your own time

like any small business , you work it hard you will get rewards over time ... and in the beggining you really have to work at it hard

my hourly rate was low, and back then & i worked out that being the deckie was not a pot of gold ....good lifestyle but my trade made me more coin for hours invested ..getting a licence was easier if your a son or family member, otherwise not many survive the long haul to own one

however for the skipper there is good money to be had in fishing if their on the ball and they can survive over time , have skills both fishing and business etc 7 a bit of luck
plenty of examples of comms who have done well if they have stick and stayed and been prepared to change etc

it is usually the inital buy in and set up that hurts, then the running costs

most of the guys who have done well have been at it for generations , and learnt the ropes, from family, many have not had to pay big buy in costs at todays prices

thing is though it cant be all bad or you would not do it hey ??

see if your still there in a decade lol

lots of comms say they have to stick to the rules etc or the risks are too high they will lose a licence, but in reality i dont think from memory theres too many comms who have lost their licence to breaking the law & over fishing etc .. one guy i recall was fined 20 odd k for falsifying fish returns ,

some have been rewarded for the practice over time with more TAC

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Return after filletting

Thu, 2016-12-29 07:25

With pink snapper and dhufish the return after you fillet it is around 26-30% not 40% so the shop has to get a return.

Last snapper season in Carnarvon the price of pinks was down as far as $7-$8kg yet the price in Perth was still around $25kg for whole fish

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 That's a huge issue

Tue, 2016-12-13 19:42

 That's a huge issue actually. Nobody feels any connection to pros because it's not a product that they ever see or can afford.

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Tue, 2016-12-13 19:47

 yes that certainly is a good point Dodgy

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You can blame Fisheries for the high price of fish.

Tue, 2016-12-13 20:18

 their strategy of continually reducing commercial fishing effort has the amateurs applauding, " more for us"--what most people don't seem to realise is  that, as the commercial catch decreases due to artificial restriction of effort, supply and demand will dictate that the retail price of the local product rises beyond what many local consumers can afford. 

You can't have it both way, guys. Green and recco pressure is working to have fisheries closed or severely restricted to commercial effort, so, in the end, the average punter has to eat basa.  Grown in shit. You know we are actually net importers of seafood nowadays? What an effin joke.

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 Here we go us and them

Tue, 2016-12-13 20:21

 Here we go us and them again 

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