Seasonal closures deferred
Submitted by Dalmatinac on Wed, 2008-10-08 14:49.
Just read the seasoned closures have been deferred but a number of new measures are to be implemented. Check under fisheries website. New rules take place Jan 09
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/media/index.php?0000&mr=579
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Hooray
We get to have dhuie for xmas afterall. Saying that i got to catch it first!!!!
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well atleast finally some
well atleast finally some pollies listening to everyones opinions
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Some happy campers!
I'd imagine there'll be some very happy campers in here after that announcement.
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Not wrong Dreamy
Even Moore saw how arrogant the previous government had become by not listening to the people they were supposed to represent. He even ignored recfishwest on this one! The very body supposed to represent the majority! NOT Now for the detail I guess.
I think ill crack a coldie tonite!
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crack one for me mate as
crack one for me mate as I'am stuck at work!!
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sadly it makes no difference
sadly it makes no difference to me.
damn you lack of boat!
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Happy with the decision.
As long as i can take home one fish and have no ban in place im happy! Dont have any probs with increased size of fish or reduced bag limits.
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Only deferred, not abandoned.
Only deferred, not abandoned.
Time will tell what the final decision is.
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Its like an X-File..
"The truth is out there, somewhere, hidden in the lingual gymnastics...."
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As the title says Terry
At least he kept his pre-election announcement.
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Never the less Terry, at
Never the less Terry, at least someone has listened and if what I'm told is true it is pretty much what the rec would have taken on the chin.
Well done the Libs and Mr Moore.
They had more sense than the previous Government and what worries me more is the fact that judging by your comments you seem disappointed at the decision and yet you are supposed to be representing the rec fisher.
Judging by recent comments on this forum the overwhelming majority did not want the closure and yet Recfishwest the supposed voice of the rec fisherman was backing it!
You may have to work out what side of the fence you stand!
JMO!
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Quote:you seem disappointed
Good at reading minds???
Just telling it like it is. Only deferred, not trashed/canned/whatever.
Wouldn't want people to get their hopes up on NO bans ever.
The stark reality is that there are NOT ENOUGH FISH and TOO MANY BEING CAUGHT.
There are NO EASY OPTIONS, and bag and boat and size limits have only a small effect, not enough.
So thinking people realise that some bans are very likely to be a PART of any/every possible package.
Time will tell who's closer to the mark on what the package will be.
Recfishwest's priorities are sustainability of the fish and the interests of ALL recfishers, and that includes in 5, 10, 20, 30 years time and future generations including today's kids who might not have taken up fishing yet so aren't vocal about their rights (future).
If sustainability of the fish and future rights means that current rec fishermen don't get EVERYTHING to go EXACTLY the way THEY want right now, well....
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JMO! IF IT SMELLS LIKE
JMO!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
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You talk of representing
You talk of representing the right of all fishermen but since are a membership based organisation, should you not be representing the views of your members.
Recfishwest should prepare a list of recommendations/propsals and send it to members for a yes/no vote on each and every motion.
If all the vocal people on here want a say in the direction of recfishwest then the need to become a member and vote.
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yep...agree mark...should be
yep...agree mark...should be asking members at least what they think.....
as for general public having a say... recfish claim to speak for the "community"
"Recognition by everyone that regardless of what has been done before, the fish stocks always belong to the whole community, not just to any one group, and the community should decide how those fish are used and shared"
see..so with that comment, we should have the rights to give our thoughts...regardsless of being a member or not.... otherwise it should be said they represent paying members....thats it.
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JMO but have to agree goatrutar
Last Tues in Leeman 2 boats 7 people and they fished, 8.10.08 Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, howling easterly & southerly, yet they fished and got plenty, too much fish taken, these are the killers, give us all a bad name. We fished 1 in 3 weeks, weather was horrible, we got 2 dhuies (8kg & 10kg) we were happy, but the 2 boats/7 people killed for 4 days, we left Saturday, they could still be there.
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Jeez - its like keeping
Jeez - its like keeping track with the stockmareket - how does average Joe know what he can and can't do thesedays.
If youre not a fisho - how will you hear about this?
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Research and $s
Let's hope we now get some decent money invested into GOOD solid research and the necessary dollars are put into place.
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yep good result.Some
yep good result.
Some encouragement for this should be the amount of undersize pinks and dhu's caught... good to see.
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The details
The details from http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestCoastDemersal/management.php
New recreational rules from January 2009
Fisheries Minister Norman Moore has announced a revised package of recreational fishing rules to take effect in January 2009, at the same time that further changes to reduce commercial fishing effort will take effect.
1. Reduced mixed bag limit for high risk fish – 4 per person per day
The mixed daily bag limit for “high risk” fish will be reduced from seven to four fish in the West Coast Bioregion.
2. Reduced species bag limit for pink snapper – 2 per person per day
The daily bag limit for pink snapper will be reduced from four to two fish per person.
3. Increased minimum legal size for pink snapper south of Lancelin
South of Lancelin, the minimum legal size for pink snapper will be increased from 41cm to 45cm on 1 January 2009 and then from 45cm to 50cm in 2010.
4. Boat limit for “high risk” fish
A Boat Limit for “high risk” fish is introduced for recreational boats and licensed fishing tours. Where one to four fishers are on board a boat, the boat limit would be eight “high risk” fish (subject to individual daily bag limits). Where five or more fishers are on board, an additional two “high risk” fish per person (over and above the new boat limit) is permitted for the fifth and additional fishers.
5. Discourage fishing competitions from targeting “high risk” fish.
6. Reduced possession limit at Abrolhos Islands to 10 kilos per person.
The finfish possession limit within the Abrolhos Islands Fish and Fish Habitat Protection Area is reduced from 20kg to 10kg of fillets or from 2 day's bag limit to one day's bag limit of whole fish per person – this possession limit can be transported back to the mainland. The possession limit to remain in place for at least two years while a review to assess the option of managing the Abrolhos Islands as a wilderness “no take away” fishing area is undertaken.
7. Voluntary logbook program for “high risk” fish
Introduce a voluntary logbook program for high-risk fish to provide additional catch and effort information.
8. Recreational Fund review
The Recreational Fishing Fund will be reviewed with a view of providing recreational fishing stakeholders more meaningful input into recreational fishing spending priorities.
9. Research into large-scale closures
Further research be undertaken to investigate the appropriateness of introducing large scale fish reserves or closed areas to provide protection for large numbers of fish or over an area, which is particularly important to spawning.
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Snapper Sizes
Terry, with the Snapper changes, does the 710mm limit of only one over that size still apply?
So one over 450mm, but less than 710mm, and one over?
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Albee I may be wrong but I'm
Albee I may be wrong but I'm sure it is 1 over 700mm.
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G'day Terry
Can you tell me if these boat limits are for charters as well as rec boats
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YES these boat limits are
YES these boat limits are for charters as well as rec boats.
That's why the examples go as high as 18 on a boat.
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Quote:does the 710mm limit
Yes it does still apply until the current regulations are changed. See Fish Resources Management Act Regulations http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html
I think it will NOT apply after 1 Jan 2009. I am reasonably sure the reduced bag limit and increased minimum size will replace that slot limit AFTER 1 Jan 2009 but will have to wait until the exact wording of the Regulations can be seen.
EDIT Yep it's 700, not 710 See http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestLimits/snapper.php?0102
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Seems okay.
But why dont they bring forward these new changes to the 15th of October, as at least an alternative to the full ban. Kinda seems like nothings going to be done at all till January, shouldnt we do something now?
I mean in saying he is "defering the ban untill some independent review is carried out on the various research and management options", is this happening now, next week, next year?
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Quote:defering the ban
Definitely starting soon, won't be completed for some months (six?) and Minister wants the answers soon enough to start doing whatever need to be done.
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I think theres still some
I think theres still some issues that the Commercial fishers are lobbying
for at the moment as the new Pro regs dont come into effect until January as well??
A bit more research info could help as well up till January.
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Either that or there won't
Either that or there won't be much to research by then ...
knothome
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as long
as long as Recyourfishing dont have anything to do with the independent review
there going to do.
Cut bag limits but NO closures.
cheers dennis
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You may be disappointed on
You may be disappointed on both those.
Just telling it like it is.....
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well, at least it sounds
well, at least it sounds like they are going to get some more indepenant info on the fish, so its not all doom and gloom...can still see some bans on the horizon.
personally, i would have liked to see the dhui limit reduced, 1 is enough per person..., and a boat limit for dhuies specifically . also a mandatory log book, as well as a licence for all fishing, to try and get better policing and research with the funds.
would have also liked to see charter boats being classed as proffesional fisherman, because one can only assume that as it is now, their "rec catches" would be heavily infulencing the reported catch figures of recs ( one can assume the data that charters HAVE to keep has been used in working out estimated catches)
would also like to know more about the rec funding review...who gets what etc...
on the plus side of things, it seems a fair bit of the "old proposals" will be staying in place...well done for that
i guess from here, it wouldnt hurt to send emails with our indiviual thoughts on things that can be improved.... who knows, it could make the difference
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Bans
I think no matter what bans they put on, it will never be policed. How can it be? I have been fishing out from rocko for over 15 years and have never been stopped or seen a an officer. I think most people will do the right thing but i garantee there will still be people taking during a ban as they know the chances of being caught are very slim. Its a shame they cant police it better. Maybe we wouldnt be facing bans if they did. I realise there are other factors involved for a ban too. I fully agree that one dhuie is enough per person. Even a sized dhuie is enough for a couple of feeds for a family of four. Its good that they will do some more reasearch and they havent just folded on the old proposal. JMO!
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the missus will be pissy
the missus will be pissy about this she thought she had me on weekends for three months....haha
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Same here kaneo
The misses thought the house/yard work was going to be done by xmas!
hahahahahahahaha
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the weathers been stuffed
the weathers been stuffed down here for the last month,u should see the work ive done in the yard,ive planted around ten fruit trees and put in 2 vegie patchs .ones 20m x2m the others 10mx2m.sowed seeds last weekend.corn,tomatos,cucumber,capcicum,beans ectect.....
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You are a very good husband kaneo, can I have a lend of you for
the jungle in the back yard.
SPEWIE LEWIE
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Nice work
Sounds like you deserve some fishing sessions.
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shit yeah....i argued for
shit yeah....i argued for hours last night to have a sicky today....she one.no go kaneo
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Hi Ya, Norman Moores email
Hi Ya,
Norman Moores email address if you want to send him congrats or complaints.
norman.moore@mp.wa.gov.au
Cheers.
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It will be interesting to see what the final washup is
It is good to see Norman Moore has taken some action, but it will be interesting to see if this is just a normal political move to give himself a bit more space before making any final decisions.
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step in the right direction.
I think old Storming Fishing Norman will move slowly and rightfully so towards a good sloution.
This interum steps are good, but not enought. Closures as the Labor had it was just out-right over the top and over kill. I think more logical and fair closures are needed. I agree on limiting dhu fish take, but I would rather see still two per person and a boat limit of 2 per boat for two peoplem,then 1 per person there after. that way if one person gets his bag limit of two, then limit is met for two fisherman. Hard call, but simple. BUT whats more I would like too see a max of 10 dhu fish per angler per year to cap out the 10% that alwasy bring home a dhuie!
I still think a tagged license system for CAT1 is the answer to plocing the rules and funding the rules. Works all over the world, hell has to work in WA, we not that back-ward are we ???
Well done Libs, now get your panel up and running and come up with a fair and sustainable fishing closure or take reduction sysem.
Remember people: the object is to reduce the numbers of V5 taken in proportion with an increasing the bio-mass and breeding success rate. NOT stop us fishing....
You can take more fish, IF more fish breed successfully and more grow to breeder sizes. Closures and bans are NOT the only tools avialable to manage, sustain and police a rec and pro fishing industry....
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Brace yourselves
Guys, the deferral might be a temporary respite for this season, but as Agent Smith said in "The Matrix"...... "Hear that?...That's the sound of inevitability"
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More research is required
More research is required Andy!
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I was going to put a
I was going to put a knitting group together,, a nice cuppa tea and some scones thrown in as well,,,it would have been fun
Looks like we will be fishing instead,half our luck,,lol
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Bad for snapper
Snapper come in close to spawn Oct/Nov/Dec...it's why the two sounds are closed. They are just as easily caught at non-protected areas like the Five Fathom Bank during those months. This deferral will not help them. I'd like to think that the increased size limit and decreased bag limit will offset that but I personally feel that it's not enough.
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Catching them in the sound
Catching them in the sound while they are spawning and Catching them on the 5 fathom bank is like chalk and cheese. Just curious Auslobster what is the fish you are holding in your Yak, is that a Mulloway??
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Yeah Auslobster as Vagabond
Yeah Auslobster as Vagabond said that couldn't be further from the truth.
I have never seen schools of pinkies on the top in massive numbers apart from in the sound and the size is the other thing.The majority of the fish in the sound are over 700mm.
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Extracts from West Editorial
Extracts from West Editorial Friday 10 October. The emphasis has been added by me.
Just telling it like it is. Only delayed/deferred not trashed/canned/whatever
Wouldn't want rec anglers to think that bans were not still on the list.
Or to think that there will be delays to get more research. Yep the existing research has lots of holes.
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Thank you Terry for sharing
Thank you Terry for sharing your emphasis!
As it has clearly been ststed on numerous occasions the issue is why we should be banned from certain areas and the Pro's not!
We have heard about the apparent decline in the fish numbers(dhufish mainly) so Terry I ask you why should we take the ban and the Pro not?
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Quote:Thank you Terry for
Wouldn't want people to skim read and miss some important bits, and go off thinking......
Nah, that'd never happen, would it???? Not on fishing forums, surely????
Coz the commercial catch will be managed by catch quotas, and fishing day restrictions and gear restrictions.
Careful what you ask for:- One out all out = Commercials out of metro area = recs out of metro area too.
Commercial catch quotas and fishing day restrictions and gear restrictions = Rec catch quotas and fishing day restrictions and gear restrictions = and when a certain amount has been caught, the fishery WILL be closed.
Yep sure recs will like both of those...
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Quote TerryF "Coz the
Quote TerryF
"Coz the commercial catch will be managed by catch quotas, and fishing day restrictions and gear restrictions"
Restriction will be put in place as from Jan 2009 for the Pro's which will be based on the catch rates from previous years ie..... if a fisherman has caught 2 tonne of fish from 40 days fishing his quota will be assessed according to his declared logs which will be based on the data he has declared.........But on the other hand if a pro has been fudging the figures and only declaring say 20 days and 1 tonne of fish but really taking 2 tonne and fishing 40 days he will be pissed with the new regs as he will be caught out and be allocated fishing days according to his own false records.
He will be given reduced fishing days when he has been really fishing more that what he declared, consequently rendering his licence less valuable.
As`for gear restrictions the majority of dhufish will still be taken on drop lines as these have less enviromental impact to say a shark/fish net and the truth be know the easiest and most effective way.So very little change will happen there!
Quote Terry F
"Careful what you ask for:- One out all out = Commercials out of metro area = recs out of metro area too"
No shit isn't this what would have happened anyway if the Lib's didn't get in!
There is licences for the metro zone but the truth is they are not being utilised and very few boats work the area.i havent seen one in 15 years.
I would hate people to skim over your overview and believe it as you have bent it!
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Nope Quote:No ***** isn't
Nope
Nope. Closed 4 months a year maximum (as proposed by Labor) is a lot different to closed 12 months of the year as the commercials have received, and which would apply to recs too if the "one out-all out" principle is followed.
Sometimes there is emphasis/bolding/larger letters/headings in the original. I give sources for quotes and don't mislead people about the emphasis I have added.
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luke
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terry, you keep mentioning
terry, you keep mentioning that the commercial guys have a 12 month ban... this is only in a certain part of the state , everywhere else they can fish to their hearts content, and under the old gov, without any recs to contend with either.... this seems to come across as support towards the commercial guys... is this the case???
the whole point of having closures is to reduce the take of fish..even more important when they are aggregating to spawn. quite simply , how can you do that by not stopping ALL fishing?
the more you post things like this, the more it comes across as recfish being a organisation (who is goverment funded...correct??) possibly being swayed for fear of loosing their funding...
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Well picked up luke I put
Well picked up luke
I put "metro" in lots of places and "metro" was in the bit quoted and challenged, but I didn't put "metro" in my latest post. Won't get a 100% pass mark obviously for that failure.
No. Commercials demersal catches will be managed by quotas. That is reducing their take of fish.
That perception is wrong in this case.
Fact:- RFW has expressed concerns about commercials being allowed to fish while recs might not.
Fact:- Wetline management plan was approved by previous Labor Government. Any criticism of that plan would not affect funding by the current Liberal Government, and not either by a Labor Government if they were in power.
Fact:- RFW has expressed legitimate concerns about the day to day operation of many fishing management plans. Since a significant change to Wetline - the quotas - don't come in until 1 Jan, there's no details about quotas and catches to comment on yet.
PS. Still waiting for you to contact me about that meet and talk. You have my phone, email, postal address, PM.......
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luke
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what perception is worng
what perception is worng terry... the funding part... or the fact it seems that recfish is being swayed for fear of loosing their funding?
you keep bringing up these boats banned from the metro zone ...
well your talking about 20 boats...hardly record breaking is it??? and these same 20 boats are reportedly catching the same as the total amount of rec boats in the same area?? see below.....
Commercial fishing to be banned on section of WA coast
Posted Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:04pm AEST
Updated Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:13am AEST
Map: Mandurah 6210
Commercial line and net fishing will be banned along the West Australian coastline between Lancelin and south of Mandurah from next month.
The Fisheries Minister Jon Ford says the introduction of the Metropolitan Fishing Zone is designed to stop over-fishing of -fishing of dhufish and Pink Snapper.
Graeme Stewart from the W-A Fishing Industry Council says the move discriminates against the 20 commercial boats in the zone which catch the same amount of fish as the recreational fishers.
"If the situation is as dire as the Minister says it is then it's illogical to have one group continue on and the other group not, it makes no sense at all," he said.
seems those 20 boats wanted the recs out of the equation too, (funny how they suddenly went quite when it turned out ford was going to shut the rest of the coast down for a ban on recs..leaving the door wide open for a open slaughter).... so they think like yourself...
but it is a stupid notion.... these 20 boats are making a living from taking stock they didnt have to buy....and were taking the same amount of fish as the whole lot of recs.... and the recs are the greedy ones???? and while i am at it, if these 20 boats took the same amount of fish as the recs... then by removing them from the metro zone...hasnt the catch of the v5 been halved already??? wasnt that the whole point over the bans...to reduce the take of the v5 by half???
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See Luke this is what I
See Luke this is what I would expect Recfishwest to be highlighting and bringing to the attention of the recreational fisherman!
Except its gets buried in bullshit political jargen!
Guys have a read of lukes post and still tell me its a rec issue!
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Other people keep bringing
Other people keep bringing up the "one out - all out" principle, but won't recognise that could mean that commercial fishing is allowed back into the METRO area. Metro, Metro.
Seems that they want it to be selective "one out - all out" NOT applying to the Metro.
Those figures for catches don't seem to agree with the data in http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/frr/frr163/index.php?0401 or in http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/frr/frr177/index.php?0401
Pleny in there to analyse and compare, and YES plenty of problems with the presentation and analysis and YES Recfishwest has complained about that.
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luke
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so is htis statment wrong
so is htis statment wrong then terry???
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/17/2035405.htm
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Check those
Check those links
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luke
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i am... reading one right
i am... reading one right now..... i dont understand why one of the wafic represenatatives would be on record with that statment if it was wrong??
ps, will be reading all night to understand all the stuff in those links....
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Said it wasn't easy. Much
Said it wasn't easy. Much more to it than single numbers.
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Quote " Nope. Closed 4
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" Nope. Closed 4 months a year maximum (as proposed by Labor) is a lot different to closed 12 months of the year as the commercials have received, and which would apply to recs too if the "one out-all out" principle is followed"
If the one out all out applied we would know for sure the fish stocks would be better off but you failed to state that we as recs were not going to be able to fish the pro's were!Is that the same one out all out policy you mean!!!
As for the 12 month ban, is this the scare tactic comment!
If the libs reversed the ban do you really think they will impose a ban which is 4 times harsher in 12 months time!I seriously doubt it!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
luke
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i think terry is saying the
i think terry is saying the pro's got a 12month ban( ie permanent) from metro fishing, and if we want one out all out, then we should have the same ban....
stupid comparison really... at the end of the day, some paperwork suggests we as recs take 250 tonnes, and commercial guys take 250 tonnes.... so what was 1250 licenced boats ( but in reality probably 60 odd wetliners and 500 cray boats with bycatch, so more like 560 odd boats) catch that much fish, but we as recs with god knows how many boats ( tens of thousands i would guess) need to cop the same bans??? figures dont add up to me...it is quite clear who the selfish ones are imo...
TerryF
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Well WAFIC were VERY annoyed
Well WAFIC were VERY annoyed at the METRO commercial closure and are asking for EVERYTHING to be reviewed by the new Minister.
They are sure to be happier with a "one out - all out, one in - all in" policy which could let the commercial fishermen back into the METRO area for 8 months of the year.
That's METRO Lancelin to Cape Bouvard....
And who knows, if the fish stocks improve, (and they'd better or what's this all about???) the commercials might fish the METRO area even more. You know, fuel costs and all that.
METRO.
PS Goat. Still waiting for you to contact me about that meet and talk. You have my phone, email, postal address, PM......
TerryF
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BQ544
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Just Politics
yep just a political stunt to get the votes to get in, satisfy the voter today, buy keeping his promise and then next year bring back in the same proposal or even worst.
Tony Halliday
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Bans are needed, BUT
Terry,
what I read into this is:
Storming Norman did promise with his mandate in the elections to Stop the ban and fully evaluate it with a research forum.
He never said there would be "no bans" to my knowledge.
We all know some form of ban / reduction in take is needed, but does that need to be the 3 prime family time months of the year??? or would we be better off with four months of bans better spread out with better control mechanisms in place etc.
Storming Norman has a solid head on his shoulders, has handled simular issues in the mining and industrial fields before. I think he his well aware of what Fast Ford was trying to achieve, but he probally knows and is looking for a better way to skin the cat.
my crystal ball would say " we going to see maybe a two month summer ban and two month winter ban"
Not forgetting that a lot of quality big dhuies are taken in the calm winter months before the big storms...by the 10% that take the 90% of the prime catch's...
Full-time piscatorial-idiot, in The Vines. "It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC) Greek poet.
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Rodrat
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Aquaculture
If pink snapper are in such danger why is there no aquaculture talk. Because there is no problem with the snapper numbers! If there was why would a pro fisherman be allowed to fish a breeding ground like the sound.
From freo you could stock the sound with thousands of pink snapper a year! I realise that it cost money but not that much to dismiss it as a way of replacing stock.
Combined with the ban in the sound already in place the stocks would flurish. Not rocket science really JMO!
carnarvonite
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Snapper in the Sound
I may be out of the loop here,but with the pros banned from the metro areas doesn't this include the sound??
All the pro wet liners have transponers that give their location to the fisheries,if they were there illegally we would have heard about it,but then its not in my back yard [NIMBY] so probably doesn't involve me or I hope not
Rodrat
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carnarvonite
There is one pro that fishes the sound. I believe he has an exception. You can see him out there hauling in the pinks. Thats why i said if the pink snapper are in such a state why isnt there any attempt to re stock them. Cos they arent in any trouble.
Dreamweaver
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'The West' - Terry?
Thanks very much for posting that Terry!
I stopped buying The West Australian' years ago - and that editorial is EXACTLY the sort of absolute, non researched, facile, subjective, speculative and sensationalist diatribe that I would expect!
Pure speculation! Since presumably something will be put in place within 12 months, (and on that basis) to say 'these people nd the industry etc' may face more severe restrictions is rubbish. Yes, Norman Moore may decide on more severe restrictions, but to say the delay will cause more severe restrictions is a malinformation feed at it's worst.
HELLO! Is there a very large rock on the roof of the West Australian that they've been hiding under? Presumably? I don't think so!
Terry - Will Recfishwest be responding to that piece of editorial effluent?
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Colin Hay
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It isn't known as the "Worst Australian" in media circles for
nothing Number 2.
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Dreamweaver
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Well deserved
#1!
Colin Molloy
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Dalmatinac
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Read the editorial today
Sounded like it was written by someone at recfishwest. Read similar stuff on this web site!
TerryF
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Articles SHOULD be written
Articles SHOULD be written for the non informed general public. Informed people will easily find LOL stuff.
Time will tell whether this was rubbish or prophetic....
It's all subject to the review. Crystall ball is a bit too cloudy to see the outcome just yet.
TerryF
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