What is my tub (Other than a mistake)? The POS Project
Howdy All, Well after realising that I am impatient, I have purchased a pile of fiberglass and timber on a bit of galvanise coated rust, that has wheels.... There is plenty of work to do. The trailer has no rollers and thus has the boat sitting on the side supports, which are rollers, one of which has pushed through a longitudinal causing it to rot and further collapse, meaning that the back 1m of the boat is hanging 10mm down....yes plenty of work, but nothing that a bit of cutting, grinding and glassing cant fix. Initial cost was $150 for the hull and 'trailer', $220 to tow it from Ellenbrook (who the hell lives that far away) to Thornlie. First priority is to get it off the trailer as all it is doing is distorting the fairly unsupported hull, then glass in some new frames, then a deck THEN figure out how to do a console/cabin of sorts. BUT can some one please let me know what sort of hull it is? I was originally thinking an early Guardian but I have not seen anything similar. LOA is 5500mm Beam is 2060mm at the transom
Olliej
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you my friend are mad :D
you my friend are mad :D
barneyboy
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i saw that on gumtree
i think it might be a savage of some sort.....could be wrong though
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
dodgy
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That's gonna be a huge
That's gonna be a huge project.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Rob H
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to be honest mate I would
to be honest mate I would have acsertained what it is BEFORE undertaking a project like that, and certainly before spending a dime more.
Usually a project such as this is done to restore a known quality hull shape, and if its shit then every penny you put in wont make it a better shape.
"hogging" is what its called on your hull, and on a larger vessel it is corrected by rechocking the hull for a period of time, how and if it can be done on a small hull only an expert can tell you.
But if you cant get it out then dont bother spending a cracker more on it as the effect would be like having large trim tabs jammed in the full down position.
I hope you havent bought it as a cheap way to get out fishing as;
1/ you wont be fishing in it for a LONG time
2/ you will be spending quite a lot of money on it
3/ you will be spending a lot of time on it
4/ and if you dont complete it, it wont be worth much more than you paid for it.
BUT-I bet EVERYBODY who has completed one of these projects was told the same thing, and there are many fantastic stories on here!
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carnarvonite
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Surprised
I'm surprised he didn't pay you to take it away not you pay him.
It looks like its been exposed to the weather for years and the sun has degraded to fibreglass in a big way.
There is no way I would take a ride in it after you have finished because all you are going to be doing is covering up something that has no core strength left.
BOAT stand for Bring On Another Thousand but in your case its going to be quite a bit more.
Rob H
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didnt want to say that John
didnt want to say that John but I wouldnt be at all suprised if the seller was nursing a big hangover from celebrating his windfall.
Honestly Swompa, if you want to take on such a project, take the time to select a hull.
There are alot of hulls to choose from laying around the place and whether it costs you $150 or $1500 initially, that would be minuscule in the financial side but major in the time and finished product.
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sea-kem
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It's too far gone in my
It's too far gone in my opinion. Projects like that need to have something going for them and from looking at the pic and what you've described it has nothing. Don't want to put you off but you really need to think about the overall cost/value thing. I'm doing an ali salvage at the moment and the beauty with that is that the hull is very sound and in good nick. It had the Starboard side extensively damaged but after cutting the gunnels off it has fallen back into shape. Like said fibreglass rots an if it has might as take it to the tip. I hope that's not the case but you will be spending a lot of time and money if you proceed.
Love the West!
Swompa
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Howdy guys, Thanks for the
Howdy guys,
Thanks for the feedback. The glass in the hull is fine, it has been sanded down in hence why the finish looks shitty and it has been sitting under a free for a year hence there is plenty of dirt. After a good high pressure clean it has come up oK
Rob H
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its not the outside you need
its not the outside you need to worry about, its whats inside such as timber in the transom and frames.
And if its badly hogged and unrepairable then the old saying "you cant make a silk purse from a sows ear" comes into play.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
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Swompa
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Thanks Rob, I prefer the
Thanks Rob, I prefer the saying "you can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig"
To confirm, the 10-15mm of arse sag is just on the starboard side, and is purely due to a broken Longitudinal RIGHT where the side support roller is on the trailer. I have made a frame for the boat to sit on and the long weekend plan is to get the boat off the trailer and on a true hull form frame.
The guy who had it before me bought it as is, and had it for 12 months, and all he did was sand the topsides and remove a pile of rubbish out of it.
I am fairly confident that I can make a sound boat out of it, with a fair bit of reinforcement to be added.
Priority as follows:
Get it off trailer
Repair damaged glass on the inside
Repair/replace damaged longitudinal
Reinforce all existing longitudinal
Install stringers (which were removed for some reason)
Install Deck
Fill under deck with expandable foam for additional stiffness
Add in more bulkheads
Turn it over and repair the outside of the hull, sand and surface treat.
Add console
Now back to the original question. Does anyone know what it was?
Swompa
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Now this is a
Now this is a project
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/q77/s480x480/575836_10201191594454001_1691827629_n.jpg
Betz
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Pretty sure it was once a
Pretty sure it was once a boat..
Do you have a pic of the transom? can sometimes get a few ques from the hull profile.
Maybe measure the dead rise as well, back in the day they really didn't know what the best hull design was and every maker was trying different things.
It looks a bit like an early Savage but the big chines look like an early Haines
Swompa
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Here is my big fat saggy back
Here is my big fat saggy back end.
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q77/s480x480/970008_10201191932582454_1945165473_n.jpg
Rob H
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seems to have very little if
seems to have very little if any V, or it may be an illusion of the pic.
DEFINITELY find out its heritage swompa, or it might live up to your username!
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
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Swompa
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Correct. Very little V in the
Correct. Very little V in the transom.
At the waterline, which has a beam of 1700mm, there would only be about 60mm of V in the transom.
Very flat, very stable which is important to me as I am a fair weather boater.
Betz
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Good god that is going to
Good god that is going to pound, should be very stable at rest and make a great casting platform..
Sorry, nfi who might have made it.
Adam Gallash
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crazy
Keep us up to date with your progress swompa, be great to see if you can make something good out of it.
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Swompa
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Will do. Long weekend is the
Will do. Long weekend is the 'is it worth it' time to decide if the project goes ahead after a full evaluation of the hull and frames off the trailer.
barneyboy
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yeh the outboard well gives it away
definately a savage. what type of savage I am not sure, but I looked at a commander the other day that has a bolt on glass cabin. Maybee see if there are many bolt holes??
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
dj dvd
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Is that other Cat thingy in
Is that other Cat thingy in the Bibra Lake industrial park?
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Swompa
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Don't know what your on
In Cervantes
till
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Pretty sure that cat is in a
Pretty sure that cat is in a yard in Cervantes.
wagyl
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Hey Till
Did you get a boat from the US?
till
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Too many boats for me to
Too many boats for me to enjoy locally ;)
Swompa
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Ellenbrook if that could be
whoops, didnt read the post properly
Swompa
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Got it off the trailer
Got it off the trailer today...took an hour and 4 trolley jacks.
The hull is now straight again which is very pleasing. The trailer is now a pile of rusty scrap out the front. The axel and jockey wheel were recoverable if anyone wants?
Next, cleaning up the inside and prepping for some glassing.
Swompa
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Very productive long weekend
Very productive long weekend on the tub. The temporary name has changed from ‘The Project’ to ‘Hide the Rot’
After a high pressure water blast, the hull is looking pretty tidy, but after noticing that not all the water going in was coming out, it resulted in me spending Monday cutting out the remaining piece of deck (the sump) out to see what was clogging the drain hole….Well there was 12 months of rotting plant matter back there, which had gone hard.
I cut off a bit more of the transom for better access and after a couple more hours spent blasting then vaccuming, the hull is pretty clean and ready for the next steps which have changed.
The transom on the boat is pretty bad and will require a lot of cutting and replacing, and furthermore, the plywood is only about 15mm thick (which explains the 10mm aluminium reinforcements), so the rotten parts will be removed and replaced with newer, thicker ply in which to end up bolting a pod on the back with marlin board sort of setup.
Nothing in at this stage can be rushed, and with 20l of polyester resin and enough glass to build a house I will be kept busy for a while.
Biggest step of the weekend was discovering that the boat, now on a trolley rather than the trailer, can fit under the patio.
Mrs Swompa not impressed, but after making me watch a couple of Arry Potta movies on the weekend, I think a boat under the patio isn’t that bad…
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davidbland50
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Enjoy
Swompa,
Talking from experience, taking on a job like that is a challenge. But the end result will be totally gratifying and the critics in earlier times will be surprisingly quiet when you produce a very impressive end result.
Half the enjoyment of a project boat is watching it turn into something you want and one that performs in the areas that mass produced boats lack. So take it slow and methodical, don't listen to the knockers and always keep the end clearly in your mind and don't falter.
Keep us up to date on the progress, too.
Wherever you go, there you are
sea-kem
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No One has been critical,
No One has been critical, just trying to explain the realistics of a project like this. It's a huge undertaking as the boat is in such a state of disrepair and you would be a fool not to weigh up when a project like this is just not worth doing. Full credits to the bloke as he's going for it and I hope he can make something out of it, but it won't be cheap ask anyone else that's done a total rebuild.
Love the West!
tot
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this looks a bit better
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/leeming/motorboats-powerboats/17ft-pacemaker-hull-on-good-trailer-hull-needs-work-no-motor/1019715522
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