Irresponsible boat owner

Went out in the sound with my mate Decrais last night in his boat for a snapper fish ( report to follow ) . I could not believe the amount of boats out there driving around and anchored up with absalutely no lights. These people need to grow a brain and consider other fishermen as they might not be the only people that get injured when another boat collides with them. I think they give boat licenses out way too easy. The fisheries would of had a field day out there last night 


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Yep, people like that chasing

Sun, 2012-09-09 18:45

Yep, people like that chasing snapper at the d9 or the likes are the reason i don't go haha

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Bloody hell Dirt shoulda rung

Sun, 2012-09-09 18:53

Bloody hell Dirt shoulda rung the water ploice. They would've loved booking all those clowns. No wonder I don't fish locally imbeciles would drive me insane.

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Nearly plowed into one a

Sun, 2012-09-09 18:56

Nearly plowed into one a couple weeks ago, didnt even see it til I was pretty much in line with it or even a bit past it, lucky I was about 15m to the right of the dumb prick. Was seriously shaken up especially having my old man and lil brother on board on fathers day. Still gets my blood boiling just thinking about it

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where we were mate,out from

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:20

where we were mate,

out from freo...about 4pm there was a boat making a b line for us, i said to the boys this is fisheries for sure,

as they got closer i new it was the marine safety boys, they come up to us and asked if we were out for the night, which i said yes.

then they asked me to turn my lights on to check....luckly before we left home i checked them so i new i was good.

 

couple of decent guys not being wankers, had a quick chat and a couple of laughs about there overtime and they b lined for another boat towards rotto.

spose they cant be every where at once!!

 

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 Funny u say that.. last sat

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:22

 Funny u say that.. last sat night me and the neighbour were out at pinnacle rock... moved from d9 due to the shear number of boats there... Water police went past and did the quick check on licence rego life jackets etc.. from talking distance... we thought it was a great idea, cause obviously they know we'll all probably be there after dark... look like they did the rounds on everyone... 

Being the first time either of us has been on a vessel at night we were wondering when we need to put our light on.. sun got real low.. nobody had a light at all.. so we figured we'd be first... got dark, the fella next to us had a flouro light on his deck but that was it..only bout a 14ft tinny.. checked out d9 when we left at about 9 and there was probably only 3 anchor lights in total!!! WAY too many dickheads out there.. my boat has HID spotlights so I can see where Im going in the dark... maybe the only way to avoid a collision.. and wont give a rats ass how many finger signs get thrown at me... I reckon heading out behind Carnac for a night fish would be awfully dangerous coming home atm... cause now we have to deal with some F&*kwit pro cray fisherman thats using about 100m of rope on his pots he's dropped all through the ffb... coming home yesty with my new mates Vinny and wade we hooked a rope even after approaching with real caution with 3 sets of experienced eyes.. SOO lucky we didnt wrap it up in the prop... I still reckon we cut all of the floats and leave a rude msg on the last one!!! prob the same asshole that ties up the nth mole so nobody can fish

How many guys use 'driving' lights and not just running lights and a torch... I havent seen anyone yet, but my exp is small in this area

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thats because you shouldnt do

Sun, 2012-09-09 23:25

thats because you shouldnt do it

you should be able to navigate without huge spotlights ruining your night vision

if you use lights like that you cant see boat coming from either side of you and you wont know to give way in time

you can argue back in favour of driving lights all you want but you will be wrong i have worked at sea all my life and it is a huge no no

dont make me quote the navigation act to you

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 Go on.. quote it... word for

Mon, 2012-09-10 20:42

 Go on.. quote it... word for fkn word mate!!! I cant wait to meet u!!

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there are a few of us!!

Mon, 2012-09-10 09:33

i have two led spotlights on the top of my hard top!! but these are only used when in around moorings or when i see knob heads out there with out there lights on!! two spot lights facing them usually gets the hint! they are also great for when your pulling your anchor and some knob has parked on top of your anchor!!

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troymy cousin has

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:32

troy

my cousin has driving lights on his boat and he likes them, i find in my tub i get to much glare of the front when using my hand held spotty and it makes it harder to see, i turn all my gear down to the lowest light and cover my gauges with a towel, but we still use the spotty if we notice something.

in regards to the rope...agree 100% mate, in the same area and out deeper last time out that way, we spotted numerous pots with at least 30mts of rope floating to the pots.

the first one i thought his rope had come undone, but we found at least 10 that day all the same.

wanker deserves to have the ropes cut, just pure lazyness.

 

does anyone know why they are left like that?

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 yep they went for a couple

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:45

 yep they went for a couple of miles.. randoms... chasing the crays obviously on ground that looked like nothing, which i dont really have a problem with, he's probably got a family that enjoys dinner occaissionally... I reckon its just slack deckies really, there;s ways to shorten a coil so no need to bring em in from deep and just use the same length line... I was watching a blue/red Ali bout 20-25ft cray boat checking pots out that way on thursday... same boat was anchored and fishing nr Gdn island yesty... 

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30 metres of rope is

Sun, 2012-09-09 23:28

30 metres of rope is nothing

sounds like your the only wanker here

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 Oh here we fkn go.. a

Mon, 2012-09-10 20:38

 Oh here we fkn go.. a keyboard warrior, I'll be back in Gero at the long weekend mate, wonder if you're game enough to make that one personal!!! I grew up there, fished there... and went Exxy for a real fishing trip, now all Ive got is dealing with tosser commercial fishermen here in metro waters where ya gotta work real fkn hard to get anything decent on board... Oh shit... sorry I just realised u deckies have to work hard for a living... Just like the rest of us mate, get over it, when was the last time u fished perth, Im talking INSIDE the ffb... ya know... the one that buffers the massive swells that justify your long ropes!!!... I dont have a prob with comm cray fishers, everyone needs to feed the family, but theres some real laziness going on here.. as for grappling... wtf is the 5m of rope with all those floats for... B4 the overlapping lines on a lead...wanna read me the nautical rules bout this one tosser!!! Now that I think about it, does your mum know you're on the computer calling people names... 

When ya call a person a wanker in your tone.. Be careful you know what side of the highway they're from.. mate!!

 

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I heard they were directed to

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:47

I heard they were directed to shorten their ropes to stop whales getting tangled. Like you say Ron just laziness and arrogance especially in a high traffic area around there.

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 Worst part is we were pretty

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:50

 Worst part is we were pretty much on the leads through the islands when it happened.... then had to navigate through the other twats that dropped anchor on the same leads!!! who gives these peopke their tickets.. honestly!!!!

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Yeh not impressed with the

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:55

Yeh not impressed with the ropes even worse when theres 10 in a line. Woulda been really annoyed if i had lost my tranny or prop.

and there is normally more people on the lead ins than that haha

With regards to lights mine go on before sundown

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troy before

Sun, 2012-09-09 20:57

you get too worked up.. pros run set rope lengths for ranging depths. its generally double the depth. Its due to many factors. And is nessisary.

 picking up pots happens. you should be looking back too, whatching for chasing floats and the rope spray. Not much else you can do.

 

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tonyif you know can you

Sun, 2012-09-09 21:16

tony

if you know can you please inlighten me??

why in 40mtrs of water is there is 30mtrs of rope floating on top to there floats.

when coming across a bunch of pots in a line i try to give them a wide berth, but when there ropes are just about over lapping each other leaves little room for movement.

i can understand 5-10mtrs but 30 is beond the joke, especialy when the color of the rope blends in with the water and you cant spot it until your on it.

if there is an answer i would like to hear it, but i still think it is pure laziness of skipper/crew.

cheers

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 yeh I understand that...

Sun, 2012-09-09 21:23

 yeh I understand that... been out wide plenty of times and mosta the time its easy enough to pick the direction etc with the wind, but theyre only in about at max 10m of water and we were a good 50m away from the float that decided to make a b line at the back of the boat... I know, dont hate the player hate the game and all that, but really, the amount of line out was more than Ive ever seen and only what Ive heard stories about.. theyre fkn slack ass fishermen, and thats the bottom line!! 

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hearing you mate,on many

Sun, 2012-09-09 21:09

hearing you mate,

on many occasions latley out from o/reef in the dark 2-3 mile out, we have spotted tinnys and small boats sitting on the lead or very close anchored up.

one day i was right on the lead and had to vere off quickly when a tinny decided to turn his lights on, i slowed down and told him to get off the lead, i did not get a reply.

 

 

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Does having the lights on

Sun, 2012-09-09 21:43

Does having the lights on scare the snapper away? Do you guys have any trouble catching with the lights on? Im still to land a good size snapper in the metro and have only fished at night a coulpe of times , lights on of coarse but have also nearly hit other boats near carnac.

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nope doesnt make a difference

Mon, 2012-09-10 09:35

but if you have your lights on the yellow tail flock under them so you can get fresh bait!!!

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Gday Ron

Sun, 2012-09-09 21:57

30 meters aprox sounds on the longer side of normal in 40 meters depth. but not uncommon. Try out on the shelf in the whites on the coral. it can be a sea of rope and floats. When you throw a strong tide current out there and heavy seas the crew struggle to pull the gear. Floats can be crushed under extreme presssures or just dissapear for a fews days or weeks. These bloke arent lazy just experienced. And pots all bunched close togther is them just hitting lumps hard.

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still

Sun, 2012-09-09 23:08

as mentioned above , its not hard for a decky to tie off a coil to shorten, just a couple of half hitches around half the coil. Takes maybe 30-45 seconds a pot.

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and as soon as you start

Sun, 2012-09-09 23:24

and as soon as you start pulling that pot rob the coil will pulltight and more than likely get jammed in the finger of the pot winch as it goes around

the extra length of rope is for strong currents and big seells

imagin working in a 3 - 4 metre swell with 5 metres of rope on the surface

prety difficut to grapple, even more difficult and dangerous to pull up and around your pot winch

 

consider this a cray boat throws the grapple 10 - 15 metres ( you dont want to get to close and run over your gear) pulls in the 10 - 15 m then the distance from the water to the winch is at east a good 6 - 7 metres on a decent cray boat

theres 22 metres

its dangerous to pull the rope in by hand under tension so you have 10 metres leeway

easy 30 metres

your arguments are all invalid

troy dont go calling fishermen slack arse mate they are far from it they work bloody hard for the money they make these days

and mate i reakon you have a few things to learn your self

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ok matei can understand that

Mon, 2012-09-10 06:24

ok mate

i can understand that no probs,

why then 100mtrs away there is another set of pots(obviously differant owners) with only 5 mtrs of rope on the surface??

another 100mtrs away there is gear with the floats pulled tight

who is doing it right??

if they were all the same i would agree with you 100%   but there not!

 

either way i dont really give a shit, but if i get a overlenght rope caught in my prob it will be getting cut, touch wood this has never happen because i always give pots some distance because of this, but if i want to have a look at what there on i obviously pull up slow and then its not a problem.

i know you guys work hard for the coin, thats not an issue!!!

cheers

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 I ask questions.. simple

Mon, 2012-09-10 21:16

 I ask questions.. simple ones like, does anyone use driving lights... not make statements like 'everyone should use driving lights' I learn alot from every question I ask, I deckie regularly(recreational only oh high and mighty), and do pose questions at skippers at scenarios that Im inexperienced in, but,  I understand the sea and know how to skipper a boat in most conditions....

I will continue to call out slack deckies until I see a change, then Ill comendate them for their brilliant work, but until such time that I dont have to dodge their pot lines and anchored boats on a lead, you wont hear otherwise.. now go to bed, ya mums sick of waking up early to brush your hair man!!!

Tell her I said HI!!!

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you seem to have a thing for

Mon, 2012-09-10 22:45

you seem to have a thing for my mum shame your not her type she dont like fat blokes

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Dan what your saying is right

Mon, 2012-09-10 23:36

Dan what your saying is right if your talking pots in 20+ meters but not in the shallows.

I did crays for about 10 years and most of the gun deckies I worked with (on 2 decky boats) could easily keep up changing down ropes while setting. I wouldnt count myself in that league though!

Your right it takes abit of care but the coil is next to the float rig not halfway down and its a temporary fix, not for working day after day.

A classic case in point is at Coronation Beach in the whites. One boat there drops gear regularly across the break where everyone windsurfs.

Its 2-4 meters deep and he has 10 fathom ropes on. It completely covers the area where everyone kites and windsurfs, overlapping his own gear. Pretty sure he does it due to a run-in he had with some Euro sailers years ago when he drove over their gear in the car park but they are long gone.

Dangerous for guys to catapult while sailing into the arvo sun, but maybe worse with the gray army guys plodding out in a dinghy, there is NO way thru.

I hooked up a rope yesterday near the leads, didnt go in the prop but it was 7 meters deep with maybe 10 meters on the surface.

Not an extreme example and at least as much my fault as I should have been watching better but it also wasnt far from all the marina traffic.

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 Can't argue with that

Tue, 2012-09-11 05:42

 Can't argue with that rob 

Cheers for not referencing my mum in the post haha

You on leave now?? I have 2 weeks left

 

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haha-yeah didnt want to get

Tue, 2012-09-11 08:12

haha-yeah didnt want to get into that side-Im sure she's lovely and all that!

Im batting here for commercial guys plenty of times, got plenty of mates still in there still. Sad thing is though theres been a bit a drain of experienced "career" deckies into our industry. Makes room for new blood but it isnt the same as 10-15 years back.

yeah got home on friday night, off to Coral Bay for the holidays though.

what about you?

Pop round if your about, Im muckin round here most of the time, north end of town Drummonds.

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im home on the 22ndill try

Tue, 2012-09-11 21:46

im home on the 22nd

ill try get over to say hello

gotta spend half my leave in perth this time bloody training so il see how i go

 

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no time

Sun, 2012-09-09 23:35

 if you have worked on a boat n u r workn flat stik ripn pots up u dnt hve time to tie coils up! by the time throw ya rope dwn the back the nxt pots up n away u go again. n the way c zone ropes coil or lack of it id b frikt if im hitching a 20fthm coil of spaghetti! id like to knw who of you knw about running at safe speed at night. you are to utelise all means possible to avoid a collision of any sort using all visual electronic and manual means possible! which means safe speed at night should b no more than 8-10knts! and if u c floats and u r a boatie especially at night u should b compitent in identifying the direction of the ropes to the wind n current if not U SHOULDNT B OUT AT NIGHT! sounds like the ones having a whinge once again at commervial crayboys r doin alot more than safe speed at night! if you dnt understand this then read up on the laws of operating a vessel at sea!

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hey matedont use your phone

Mon, 2012-09-10 21:11

hey mate

dont use your phone texting on hear mate, old pricks like me cant understand it...lol

had to read it a couple of times to get what you were trying to say.

 

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no lights

Sun, 2012-09-09 23:53

 for the vessels w no lights at night. try calling the vessel up n if they give their callsign log it dwn and time log it n repirt them. if not go up to the vessel n write dwn their boat nr and or name n report them. dont feel like youll b a prik if u repirt them! screw em theyre endangering peoples lives n i can tell u now tony merlino at DPI freo will crusify them! no tollerance to stupidity so ruin their day!

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i second that and the

Mon, 2012-09-10 08:03

i second that and the previous comments

u didnt used to drive excalibur did u??

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Yep Totally Agree with dirt

Mon, 2012-09-10 11:09

I totally agree with Dirt what are these guys thinking! Most of them are probably young guys that couldn't give a toss or just don't have any respect for other people and their safety. We see them at night anchored in or on the edge of the shipping channels and on lead lines, they also tank along in the dark flat out you can hear them getting closer then all of a sudden an unlit boat goes flying passed about 30 metres away or maybe they were using my anchor light as lighthouse or something! To top it off as we are cruising back in to Woodies at 12 knots about half out from the entrance we're just about on top of two boats and they decide to turn on their fluro lamps we wouldn't have hit them as they were off our lead but you just look at each other and thinks are these guys idiots or just plain dumb is catching a fish that important.

Having lights on has never affected my night fishing even to the extent of having my deck light on, the other thing I don't understsnd is why people anchor with their navigation lights on but I might be being alittle picky now.

Marine Safety should do some patrols at night with their radar they should have a field day!

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snags!

Mon, 2012-09-10 11:21

 when u first pull a pot u need the extra length because if the pots snaggged u hve to b able to hve lenth to try unsnag the pot! .sum operators if all they r doing is wirkn the reef will work short roprs and its not for yr pleasure i can assure you! each operator works differently! and exactly as was said b4 whn theres swell n tide u can b in 10fthms of water w a 20fthm rope n u b lucky to hve one float bobbing! there is no reasons you guys can give that justify u beei g correct! stay clear of ropes its that simple n if i was on a boat dwn heren saw u cut my rope itd b the worst day of yr life n yoyll find bith fisheries n DPI would charge you. if you get a rope in yr prop then it means either you r going to fast  not watchn where yr going. rule nr one of operating a vessel! dnt gice excuses. sorry to harp on but there r people that think they knw everything bout things they knw nothing about! so unless youve worked on a boat n knw WHY! THEY DO WHAT THEY DO ! you have no justified excuses! sorry but true brother! 11yrs deepwater bigbank breakers experience talking here not jyst havn a go!!

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Fair enough you have long

Mon, 2012-09-10 16:27

Fair enough you have long lines i can see your point cant tie them due to winch and need them that long to make them easier to retrieve and not lose in big seas , annoying but undertsood all good.

 

But you can't say stay clear its as simple as that, thats stupid. For a start you cant stay clear of something you can't see you struggle to see them in good seas not to mention a bit of chop and swell.Once you slose enough to see them you can't pull the handbrake or turn on a 10 cent peice. 

For eg your on the line back in to the lead ins there was numerous boats to the left which you avoid( and try not to zigzag through) and lots of reef that can break to the right and 10 craypots in the middle spanning how ever many hundreds of metres, so you slow down with caution pick the biggest gap and stay to the side of the float that the rope isnt. bang ropes join up what you gonna do ? The old glass boat aint gonna slow down fast enough once you see the rope is that long, kill the motor lift the leg cruise over it.

trust me noe one tries to run then over.

and yes 10k fine for anyone that cuts a rope or pulls a pot illegally i think it is ?

 

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Wed, 2012-09-12 04:59

Keep the personal stuff out of it fellas or you'll both be sitting on the sidelines, discuss the topic, not ya mums.

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fellas as far as I

Wed, 2012-09-12 14:45

know, its against the law for pro cray fisherman to leave meters of rope out in shallow water, they are supposed to shorten their ropes before coming in shallow, if you ring Fisheries I think they will tell you the same, JMHO

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too much rope.

Wed, 2012-09-12 16:27

everyone got a job to do,but to do it properly is another story.(tangles,bitten)<<<<<.

there is no excuses  to have excess 30 metres plus rope out so close to shore with the wind swell we are getting at the moment.

if i hit one that obvisiosly got too much rope out(ridiclious amount) i will have no choice but to cut it if i cant untangle it.

i think for the sake of me buying a new gearbox yous fisherboys can buy yourself a new pot.

no offence intended by these comments just telling it how it is.

 

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What is going on!!!!!!

Wed, 2012-09-12 18:09

I don't know what's going on here!!!.....But how has a topic about people not using their anchor or navigation lights at night turned into a subject about friggin cray pot lines!!!!!!

Get on the subject or start your own!

 

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troy summers brought it up

Wed, 2012-09-12 22:27

troy summers brought it up caused a bit of a stir people dont like to be referred to as fuckwits by people who really have no idea

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 Good moderation there...

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 Good moderation there... Play on.

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wow i was

Thu, 2012-09-13 01:49

wow i was planning to give night fishing in the sound a go but after reading the above posts i don't think so now,it's not the gws that are the danger it's other boat owners