did he ??? or not ??
well ,
we had a clown attack today ,
son and I went south today to check pots ,
arrived at the beach , could see our mate diver dan right near one of our pots, very swelly and sloppy heading out towards our gear , arrived at the first pot,to find two divers getting back in their boat & to find the clown owner of the boat , free diver 1 is actually anchored right over our pot, within 3 metrs of me as I pull the pot rope up,no dive flag I asked him what he thought he was doing right on our gear , and it looked bad for him and his mate like that ?told him looks suss mate ??
he said nah we haven't touched your pots , he reckoned we had 6 crays in our pot, just you wait till you pull it and see , we would not rat your pot mate, ........
anyway , we hit his boat several times as we pulled the pot,no choice as he was anchored that close on it , our pot even became jagged on his still set anchor rope ,finally we got it onboard after untangling it from his anchor rope anyway yep six crays in the pot , he also had 2 on the floor of his tinnie that we could see ,
both where free divers , no air, after 10 mins he pulled his anchor and motored off ,
4 of the crays where keepers , 2 went back
next 3 pots produced nothing ,
last two trips out have had all 4 pots catch , total of 41 crays potted , today , 3 pots empty , same ground , one pot with 6 in ,was imo about to be emptied when we rocked up on it in the boat
now question is did the divers rat em ?? imho absolutely yes, given what we have been getting , there is no way we lucked out so badly,...what can we do about it ??....sfa
to all the divers who don't use flags , you bloody well should , to those who want to anchor on someones pots & dive there be prepared to be blamed if the owner comes along & find his catch rate has suddenly dropped right off the radar low,
for the honest guys morally you know it aint right , how about raising the bar and using peer pressure to stamp this shite out hey ?, make it your code to not anchor on set pots ?? can it be that hard to move elsewhere ? when the crays are about like now ?
this bloke today thinks where stupid, however experience tells me he did rat our pots ,
he will keep for now
hezzy
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sea-kem
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This is where the good guys
This is where the good guys should get to lose their level headedness and strike back. You get to a stage where you are sick and tired of the fuck sticks out there and take some action. IMO the authorities need to turn a blind eye because they can't cope with it all. Hat's off to you Hezzy for keeping your cool.
But I don't blame you for next time.
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hlokk
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Should always have a dive
Should always have a dive flag and be clear enough of pots that the owner can pull them if you're down below!
If they were taking your crays though, wht would they only have 2 on decks and leave your 6 crays in that pot? I've been diving on a spot over 3 consecutive days and what produced the first two days could be completely barren by the third (and yes, there were heaps left on the second day). Or move 100m and from heaps to none (on similar ground if you were looking on a sounder). So not catching crays at a spot that has produced well doesnt mean they were pilfering your pots. Obviously they're in the wrong with no dive flag and close anchoring though.
hezzy
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hlokk [If they were taking
hlokk
[If they were taking your crays though, wht would they only have 2 on decks and leave your 6 crays in that pot?]
mate id say , as he was free diving he or his mate had started to rat the pot,at each surface dropped a cray into the tinnie , he either heard or saw us heading out towards him when he surfaced ,we did not see either of them with a catch bag or snare , so id guess they dropped them into the boat,
so they decided to climb onboard and tough it out as we rocked up , knowing there where crays still in the pot , why would a free diver count my crays hlok ?? he doesnty have that much time down there , I know from experience ,
my guess is the pot we found him on was the last in the line as he moved back to the ramp to head home ,
you know, iv been diving , with tanks , and free diving myself don't do it now, but did for years , potted for years now as well , its not like im a newbie to this game ,
when it smells like shite it usually is ,
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joshua-casey
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obviously your breath hold
obviously your breath hold isnt too good then matey coz we get around 2min in around 6m
joshua-casey
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body club in margies do a
body club in margies do a good price on a memebership mate like 16$ a week, then maybe you can get in the water like a real man.
hezzy
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josh i could get 2 mins free
josh i could get 2 mins free diving when i was in my twentys no probs, not bad for an asthmatic who should never of been diving at all ,& we didnt have the gear you have now
never heard of dive courses back then either , your old man or mates taught you
one of my mates could get up to 5 mins and free dive to 35 metres back in his day ,
hezzy
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little johnny
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hard one to answer hezzy.
i dive near pots all the time.i always wait for mid morn,if pros close i wait for them to pass,it looks bad otherwise,this time of year most pots empty .ledges near by are full.if you find legs in pots and bait gone different story,free divers don't need flags, only scuba ,silly but true, i always use flag.even when i go for occy, .i had simular thing last year ,some old guy accused me off being close to his pot,guess what he pulled his pot and got 3 limits out off 1 pot,(white run) He said sorry all good, .4 days later 2 of his pots where stuck ,asked if i would free them for him i did,(scuba),not being an ass ,but potters not doing well at all.(unless pots in 30m plus)could be wrong unsure ,most dive spots have pots on them,i try really hard to avoid them now days,due to fact it looks bad,good luck i hope you have good run,
Brock O
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Same...alway wait untill
Same...alway wait untill after mid morning if pots are near the dive facintiy, i make the pot a vessle and stay 50M away.
Unfortunatley....my thoughts are yes, 10min later you got zilch..
Rob H
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Better lay off the sauce a
Better lay off the sauce a bit Brock O,
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Brock O
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True true
Rob....should never drink and type!
You know the old saying....cray pots are just holding pens for us Divers..
Rob H
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AKA the wooden reef
AKA the wooden reef
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Karak
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It is always good to have an
It is always good to have an audio or video secret recording while chatting with unknown belligerents
Lamby
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Why anchor right on the pot
Why anchor right on the pot though? Suss as phuck
jamey ford
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Absolutely no excuse for
Absolutely no excuse for what he was doing , unless he was raiding your pots, any right minded person would be well away from them , I would be leaving him a little surprise if he hangs around the area .
Far Quirk!
West Coast
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You could tell
.....bloody hard work grabbing crays out of a pot while diving. Legs and feelers go everywhere. They are slippery little suckers. Hard not to leave a trail. If they had been in your pots you would have more than suspicion. You would have feelers and legs left in the pot, and the crays left behind would look like they have been through a scrap. If you didn't get that then I reckon they were doing the right thing.
saltatrix
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Take photos. Someone
Take photos. Someone anchored over a pot is ridiculous
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word
meglodon
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Not very good manners
I have had a friend who is a diver try to get some crays out of one of my pots just to see how easy (or hard) it is.
According to him it's as hard as all hell to get them out and it is much easier to get them with a loop out of the reef, you can't use a loop in a pot and they are very hard to grab by hand as they tend to gather in the far corners of the pot.
Just repeating what he told me so it appears that getting them out of pots is not all that easy.
Hutch
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He may have raided your other
He may have raided your other pots and was about to pull up that one when they saw you coming or there might have been a couple of crays just outside the pot (easy pickings) hence the ones in the boat already
DUNGA
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Well said
Its the reason i dont use pots anymore
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Toby Roe
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If you couldn't anchor near
If you couldn't anchor near a pot off Perth you wouldn't be able to anchor, there's millions of them out there.
jamey ford
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This morning back of
This morning back of northern end of garden island , Royal Blue hulled Voyager LTD with Inboard Motor , at just on 5.30am with 3 pob and one freediving with xl fins, you were observed not only by us but 2 boats behind us diving on our pots , as soon as we appeared you were up and off back to Woodmans Point , having already completed your diving at 5.30 am ?
Not only were you , filching crays from others pots you had to be diving before sunrise ,easy to do in poor light conditions , pull up next to floats , guide yourself down the rope to the pot and easy pickings , just to let you know very recently we observed a very large white pointer not very far from the area at all , and now with over 15 pots in the vicinty berleying constantly , you may get your just desserts , mind you the shark probably wouldnt bite you out of professional courtesy .
We pulled our pots, legs and feelers all you left behind in all but one of the large pots in which we were left a size cray which you couldnt reach , with the feelers snapped off at the horns .
Keep your eyes peeled, for these scumbags in A Royal Blue Hulled Voyager Inboard , we couldnt get close enough to get a rego number as obviously those on board were keeping watch , and as soon as boats appeared , the freediver was hauled into the boat and off at a high rate of knots , having supposedly finished diving at 5.30 am ,
I will be contacting fisheries but I doubt that without a rego number that they will be able to do anything , unfortunately , heads up guys !
Far Quirk!
The_Wanderer
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Jamey You know where they
Jamey You know where they launch from Take the "dog" for a walk one morning and spot his car/trailer... Then Pull yours up next to his get out and with pump and tyre gauge so it just looks like your checking tyre pressures... But remove the valves on a couple of tyres. Or by a clamp with a padlock and clamp a tyre.... When He comes in take his rego from his boat and watch him struggle.
Next time you see him do it(he will) call up fisheries and report him.... Or keep messing with his trailer....
joshua-casey
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piss weak
piss weak
uncle
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these people are just slime retards
come on Mr white, improve your imagine
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joshua-casey
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Look mate In all seriousness
Look mate In all seriousness why would we bother going into your pots? if you an your son have had all this cray diving experiance that you speak of you would know how many crays there are there! there are literally hundreds in this spot which i have been diving for the past 10 years an were probably that many there 20 years before when my dad was diving that exact spot that he passed to me. an as for the 20m thing if your pots didnt have 50m or rope attached maybe they wouldnt end up around my tinny. saying that id appreciate you taking this up with me personally rather than hiding behind your computer screen. 0411218568
hezzy
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josh ,, mate , pm sent , no
josh ,, mate , pm sent ,
no ones hiding anywhere mate , actually hoped this might get a response ,
I actually have 25 metres of rope on those pots ,not 50, keep it real and there in 8-10 metres as you know , you also know , you where anchored right on it , the pot jammed as we pulled it up to the boat on your anchor rope , fact , we hit your tinny several times as you where that close , fact ,
yes iv dived there as well , since long before you where born josh , so did my old man , , yes theres shite loads of crays there at present , so why anchor where you did ?
thing is you didn't expect to see us rock up when we did ,
my 4 sons fish there with me now ,, its a common courtesy to give a bit of space to another fisher, diver or not ,
as I said to you on Friday , you look suss when you do it josh , as a young bloke maybe you don't realise it, but I hope you will appreciate the lesson and refrain in the future
last time I had diver right on my pot I yanked him to the surface, he nearly wore an oar ,
it could have gotten ugly, but it didn't on Friday ,
glad to see you edited your post,
ill call you when I get time , not tonight , im there a lot josh , its been my hangout for a very long time , so don't be shy either , walk over if you see me as ill be keeping an eye out for you blokes
truth question , if I had of been there first to pull the pot,, then you arrived in your tinny , would you have anchored that close right on the pot as we dropped it back and dived josh ??
hezzy
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joshua-casey
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mate id do it again in a
mate id do it again in a heartbeat, i was going for a quick dive to get some dinner. there was no one around an the weather was rough
as you said so i got as close to my ledge as possible an dropped the pick assuming no one would come out.
Your trying to call me a dog an a bloke who pulls crays outta pots
how do you think im gonna respond?
its a small town an i have a reputation to maintain in our small fishing/diving community.
but i suppose your not from margaret river so your wouldnt know that. you just drive
from bunbury come take our crays an quite a lot by the sounds of it an then piss
of back there?
an why would i own up to it on here if i was in the wrong?
maybe you shouldnt bombard every ledge with so many pots with so much rope!
hezzy
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josh only one pot on that
josh
only one pot on that particular ledge was mine , the one you anchored on
keep it real hey
check the gear id .and say it aint so ?? as im not going anywhere soon
id hope you will think about this experience and use it wisely next time that's partly why I posted in the first place ,
you seem pretty indignant josh , I actually said clown ,
if you want a good rep, , that's fine as I said your actions looked suss ,
perception wasn't good ,
maybe you didn't , just think about how it looked hey ?
hezzy
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joshua-casey
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You came up to us an
You came up to us an appoligised after your pot was full with crays, then you come on here from the safety of your
keyboard an try an insult me again?
its just piss weak that you coudnt have sorted it out then an there.
hezzy
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cam up to you ?? josh you
cam up to you ?? josh you where anchored on our pot, that clse the boats where touching , wtf are we expected to do if we want to pull it ?
yeh after we pulled the first pot , it had 6 crays in it , its been doing much better, , i gave you the benefit of the doubt at your word mate , we then pulled the the next 3 for swfa , and after doing so we had a fair idea we had been touched up , if not by you then someone , you where right in the zone as i said to you it looks suss as f@ck , partly why i posted here ,and to see if we get a response to try to get blokes who do what you did to think about your actions etc,
no ones hiding , called you twice but your phone is switched off has been since 7.30 am today ?
,
if i had of known who you where you can bet id have contacted you direct josh , , couldnt wait on friday as we had other commitments and you continued to dive ,we where out on the water for nearly an hour anyway , while you had your quick dive for dinner
we dont own any spot , we all share the resource, , it funny but i usually dont put pots there too much in the last decade or so too many hassles , easier to fish away wider , only did this time as the swell had been up , and competition from others had not been thick yet
hezzy
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joshua-casey
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like i said i live in
like i said i live in killies, theres no reception here.
an yeah assuming that no one would be coming to pull there pots on a friday arvo at 430 on a 15knot nw'ster an a rising swell at that
particular location to me was reason enough to not anchor donkey's away espcially when we have been buzzed by a couple of big boys around there.
an like i said im a LOCAL an 80% of the pots there are LOCALS an either friends of mine/old man. Which poses my question again why would
i come on here an talk shit if i was guilty?
Dale
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Locals? That makes no difference Josh, go and have a look on the Blackwood during Marron season, there's no zoning anywhere saying locals only, but maybe if you were a indigenous person things could be different, but I doubt it, and where is killies anyway?
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carnarvonite
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Kilcarnup bay
Kilcarnup bay, was a real shitty dirt track to get in but a nice anchorage inside to make it worth while.
Good bottom just outside and not too many people know about it.
joshua-casey
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yes it dose when you come
yes it dose when you come from a small place you
dont act like a twit because youll get dropped
big john
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Koombayah
What's with the agro and the penchant for violence?
I thought the SW locals were into surf, weed, the odd shroom and sitting around campfires on the beach singing koombayah.
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Yep, right on BJ dude, pass over the billy... Maaan
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Ha ha I love the odd shroom
Ha ha I love the odd shroom in an omellete BJ lool
Love the West!
hezzy
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josh , given your continued
josh , given your continued level of indignation mate you may well not have done us over,
you might be getting my wrath , when it belongs elsewhere
however , put yourself in my shoes ,
we have been getting good catch rates , then the only day we rock up , your anchored on our pot, right on it , not 50 metres away but smack on it , yes it catches but not the way it has been , we then pull the next 3 pots for swfa , when again we have been going well
if it was your gear what would you think ?? you looked suss as , hence our aggro ,
if mr white thats been hanging around was your worry why didn't you say so , my nephew dives there as well, he also is getting wary , so am I when I go for a swim along that coast now
satdy had a good size one there as well
the Tuesday arvo before you where diving in the pocket, , nowhere near our gear, catch rate was fine for us
as for being a local , who cares,& what does that mean josh ?? you think you own it cause you live close by ?? it belongs to all
where where you when the killy /joeys nose committee with dec was meeting ?? I was there getting the likes of you locals continued access , same as with the beach clean up there in the last few years,
iv fished there since a kid in the mid 60s, first with my dad , learnt to dive there as a kid as well , been going there every year ever since , camped there , fished , dived etc ,help look after it long before you arrived in the world let alone lived there ,
my family where pioneers in augusta & margs ,and many spots on the coast long before you where born mate , if my work was closer I would live there , but I am as much local as you to that coast , its in my blood !!!
my diarys go back to 1972 starting with my dads,then mine from the 80s, I know how that place fishes ,
if your there half as much as you reckon you would have seen me over the years as a regular, used to take my boat salt shaker in there with the cruiser ,knew all the old locals who fished there , until they where cleaned out ,
you might live there , but it belongs to all of us josh ,
and I can tell you not many blokes actually pot there , and we get to see em often over the summer week in and week out , , you will see me there ,
hezzy
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hezzy
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josh your crays ?? mate get
josh your crays ??
mate get real , its everyones coast and resource all my family for generations is from augusta /margs busso area, where I live means jack mate
hezzy
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jamey ford
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Lovely mate just proved what
Lovely mate just proved what a knob you are , how did you know there was 6 crays in the pot if you hadnt had a good look , and why anchor on top of pots , about time an exclusion zone of 20m plus was bought in by fisheries to stop this garbage continuing !
Far Quirk!
MandurahMatt
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That's a fucking stupid idea
That's a fucking stupid idea 20m just coz someone drops a pot somewhere doesn't make that their piece of ocean! I've got spots marked where I fish regularly if someone has a pot there I'm not going to not fish there! I would get out there way however if they came to pull the pot and communicated with some respect.
Theres no need for stupid rules people just need to treat each other with some comon curiosity. Unfortunately the start of cray season gets otherwise level headed blokes parinoid & angry.
Bewdey Fellaz
joshua-casey
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thats pretty much what
thats pretty much what happened we saw him coming so we moved away because we didnt wanna be in the way once we realised they were his pots.
as soon as he had a little hissy we chucked the pick in an jumped back in the water at the same spot
MandurahMatt
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Fair call then Josh, ive had
Fair call then Josh, ive had similar experiances while fishing spots i reguarly fish at sunrise, once while anchored near pots while still alowing room for the owners to get in and pull them they felt abliged to come straight at me with both barrels fireing, i got no appolagy once they pulled thier pots that acttualy had a coupple of crays in.
Another time while driftting and casting soft plastics trhough an area littered with what i call "snapper burley pots" couple guys pulled all 4 of there pots for a zero and instantly came to accuse me of pulling them, so i showed them the Snapper in my easky that had no crays in yet as i hadn't checked my pots. And then proceded to discuss my cray catch rates on that same reef system through out the various moon phases & then they agreed that it was posably the moon phase that had been the issue for their catch rate dropping that week, they acttualy did make some sort of half assed appology for going off the deep end at the first bloke in site.
And another day while sounding an area for a ledgde i often anchor & burley along side of near 6 pots that were being run by a father/son/grand father trio that i had seen on the water over the weeks. A boat with two guys came screaming up to me and procedded to abuse me and tell me it was illigal to run more than 2 pots on my own, my reply that the pots were not mine sent them on an even bigger rant to stay the F#&k away from peoples pots or they would sort me out and be reporting me to fisheries blah blah blah. i gave them a few choice words and armed my self with a gaff Strated trying manover my boat allong side theirs, theu decided to be on their way at that point in time.
I do agnolage that a small proprtiion of low lifes do the wrong thing out there sometimes. but definatly think a large proportion of guys are looking for the wrong exscuses as to why they loose gear and sometimes dont catch any crays, there is alot more to it than just chucking a pot in the water and hopeing for the best.
Thats my rant over, the world would be a much more plesant place if more people tried to look for the good in humanity rather than the worst.
Bewdey Fellaz
Brock O
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Good Post
Matt, we get these arguments over fishing spots also. We need to assume the right thing is being done or the poor pricks dont know any better, if thats the case hopefully Karma bites hard.
Dale
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Arrrrggghh, lock the thread up Adam.
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Dale
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Wow, things simmered down nicely, was it only me who saw Joshua's initial comment before he edited it 4 or 5 times, I thought the thread was going to implode.
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bradz
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Damn
Damn. I must have missed the original post.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
sea-kem
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Ha ha yeah I saw it Dale. No
Ha ha yeah I saw it Dale. No need for that language on here I've been guilty of the 'F' word but that takes it to another level.
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Dale
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Now I'm confused, who, whats and where's?
I thought josh was answering to Jamie.
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little johnny
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i know how hard
everyone works(pots and bait).just the other day with mate, met someone who works on boats(pro).he has only caught 3 crays,(in close) very slow atm for some potters.,trust me there is thousands in 3 to 5 meters, massive run will happen.then everyone will be happy..
.where theres pot there is berley,where there is berley there are sharks,i try to aviod pots.
Deleted
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he said she said, it must be
he said she said, it must be cray season
Brock O
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I cant
Believe what im reading!!...of all nights not to have a drink..
sea-kem
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Ha ha a night off the sauce
Ha ha a night off the sauce is good for the soul Brock O. Like little Johnny said the run will come and I don't reckon for a month or so that's when I got the bulk of my crays last year.
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lachieH
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Just ask to see how many
Just ask to see how many crays he has got, then ask why he has two and why he knows and has counted exactly how many in the pot. It's quite obvious that he has been stealing if he has spent enough time to count the amount of crays in the pot
Fishing the swan for bream, it's just an obsession
dumper
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Great idea lachie
Great idea lachie
joshua-casey
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coz when i left school i
when i left school i could count past 100 bud :)
marble
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Josh you are a loud mouthed
Josh you are a loud mouthed fuckwit as far as I can see.
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Gross Laziness
All it exhibits is gross laziness from the diver, there's a pot and the owners has done the hard work on finding a good spot so I'll slip over and take the easy option.
Have dived on my own stuck pots before and taking the crays out before freeing the pot is piss easy, quicker than mucking about with a snare. And for those that will ask why taking the crays out first, when you free a pot then go topside to pull it you will find most of the crays have escaped by the time you get it up
IMO its on a par with someone actually pulling you pots, all in all a low act.
axey45
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Date Joined: 26/11/13
Hezzy, should of made a
Hezzy, should of made a artifical reef. He did in my eyes. Every dog has his day.
straith
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Date Joined: 25/11/13
Human head is as good a bait
Human head is as good a bait as any!
Take your shotty next time mate!
I bet your catch improves afterwards!
Anyone diving on a pot is scum.
Red Dog
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Date Joined: 13/12/12
Can someone please explain
Can someone please explain the 'locals' rule?
D_d_001
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Date Joined: 09/03/13
lol dead right !
Have to say that this gets my goad up too. I'll fish anywhere that's legal in Australia thanks very much..... just like I wont abuse someone from ....say Margaret River who would like to come up occasionally and fish Metro waters.
sea-kem
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Thank you D_d. Whenever
Love the West!
jamey ford
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Like I said before a knob ,
Like I said before a knob , and he reinforces the opininion every time he opens his gob , then changes his posts half a dozen times , to try to justify himself .
What is wrong with a 20m exsclusion zone around pots , most normal minded fishos probably have a self imposed zone that they stay away from pots , to avoid getting gear or boat tangled in them, its something called common sense and courtesy , afterall theres a 50m no go zone for dive flags if you bother to use them , if that doesn't make it their piece of ocean as previously discussed what does ?
Nothing against divers that obey the rules again like a self imposed zone from pots 50m makes extreme common sense , but with freedivers not being obliged under law to display dive flags , it is only a matter of time till something unfortunate happens !
Far Quirk!
Rob H
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The dive flag is not really
The dive flag is not really a 50 meter no go zone, its actually a cautionary zone.
Commercial cray boats can approach inside 50 meters with caution and pull their pots legally.
Dunno about a 20 meter zone, there are more than enough rules already and you cant legislate inconsiderate.
Just like dropping the speed limit to stop hoons, only the honest people go slower
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
MandurahMatt
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Date Joined: 18/09/13
where would you sugest they
where would you sugest they dive then, from about december all the reefs 5miles either side of dawesvile cut are littered with pots there wouldnt be anywhere within 5m let alone 20m you could go with out being on someone elses "SPOT"
Bewdey Fellaz
jamey ford
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Date Joined: 25/05/11
Only the honest people obey
Only the honest people obey the rules , wise words there Rob, not only written but the unwritten rules .
Far Quirk!
abrohlosorbust
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Date Joined: 08/06/12
Potting/ Diving/ Fishing
Guys
Not wanting to get into the debate over whether he was or wasn't diving your pots but as a diver/ potter and fisherman I have many times been out to a dive site I have been to before (no pots in sight) to find it heavily potted.
Whilst I fully understand the effort a potter goes to and the expense (been there done that) there is no ownership of the water nor the bottom below.
I have dived adjacent to pots before to find ledges loaded and the pot barren and alternatively pots so full the crays are still on the outside trying to get in.
At no point did I consider it my right to touch or tamper with a pot however as far as I am concerned the reef and surrounding areas are fair game. I have anchored boat as far as practicable from pots to prevent getting in the way on the surface but by simply being within proximity could have been accused of tampering.
Everyone just needs to respect others property and that includes what may be within a pot and look for others. I do not believe that just because a pot is on a reef that the reef is automatically out of bounds. Likewise I have had boaties approach me at the end of a dive and ask what's below and how I went and subsequently placed their pots in the very same area.
Getting wet is part of the Fun
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Brock O
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milsey
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MandurahMatt
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Bewdey Fellaz
Reefmonkey
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Dave J.
Pitty
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UBIQUE
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
wow few chill pills req
there only crays.on the divers side put up flag, post picture,next day 6 pots.hence no cray pics,dive flag does attrack potters(not all the time),works both ways, sometimes potters need divers to unstick there pots,,just thought i would put a spanner in works,pmsl..
.all good just sh-t stirring in nice way i wish everyone would stop moving there mobile caves..
PEEL 166
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Date Joined: 19/04/09
yer you rite John
had a potter try drop a pot on me a few years back when i was un snagging a mates pot!! he came to the ramp to have a go at me & made my day when i made the fat prick bleed from his nose & mouth!!! don't see any pots on my dive marks !!!!
Brock O
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Date Joined: 11/01/08
Nice Work
on the self defence, Lucky you didnt became a 1 punch hero.....or a victim!
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
pr166 not like that brock
does happen fair bit.(not punch side) ,dave top bloke ,takes fair bit to tick him off,last one for me on this thread,good luck on roaches,
Ol Tom
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Date Joined: 17/12/13
Just to keep the thread
Just to keep the thread going, I am a potter, and hope that we all look after each other because we are all the same really. I dont do too bad but if you got the nurries to get in the water then you gonna get more crays, and we potters are gonna keep making excuses.
Agent orange
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Date Joined: 31/10/14
your joking
It seems that this casey joshua bloke is just some simple stoner from the bush in margret river that went diving during a nor wester and a rising swell. so he must have been off his chops to go out in that crap. he even mentioned "a couple big boys hanging around". He probably just came off a larry ender and needed to feel like 1 with the ocean. next thing hes copping a good old fashioned rojering on the world wide web. must have been a bad come down for you braaa.
josh you need to lay off the meow meow and bath salts.
Brown chickens for life!
Chimmy charcoal had a head like a striked match.
Habanero
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Nasty first post Agent Orange!
Why would you join up to have a personal go at someone like that? As someone who knows Josh , I would have to say that in my dealings with him he has always seemed a pretty straight up level headed bloke , I also know who he was diving with that day , neither of them are your average snorkeler and are very competent freediving spearo's , so whilst I under stand why hezzy asked the Question , I would be suprised if Divers of their ability need to Rob pots . Not like the Scuba diver who was caught ( seen from the boat in 8m of water with his hand in the pot and leg caught in the rope!) last week out from Canals. Plenty of Crays down here at present.
carnarvonite
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Same Old story
Don't know how many times I have heard the story of someone's mate pulling their pot up and catching a diver with his arm caught in the neck of the pot. Might have happened twenty eight or so years ago and gets repeated about forty times each season.
Anyone who has been diving knows when a boat is approaching without the need to see it, noise of a prop travels well underwater.
Willlo
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LOL
LOL
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Notorious
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Date Joined: 23/02/12
I didnt realise potters owned
I didnt realise potters owned a spot or a ledge and freedivers are to steer clear, if someone came over and gave me lip for being the vacinity of his pot I would tell him to shove it. I dive my chosenspot becuase I know there are crays there, no one owns the ocean.
As a freediver we cover loads of ground, if I stumble upon a pot during a dive I'm not going to turn away and run like I saw a ghost. I will continue to work the ground looking for crays.
Regarding the original post - its often easy to see whats in a pot from the surface in shallow water and good viz - the pot still had 6 crays in there so whats the problem? Regarding the divers having no loops, I know a few guys that catch crays freehand.
Potters need to stop blaming divers for their often average catches - I see it all the time, an empty pot near a ledge that is rammed with crays.
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hezzy
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notorious ...mate go back
notorious ...
mate go back and read my post ,
he wasn't in the ''vicinity of the pot , he was anchored right on it ok ,
iv never stated I owned any spot, show me where Iv said that thanks
fact is , id challenge any of you blokes to say you would anchor within 3-5 metres of me or anyone else for that matter if I was anchored on my pot or just anchored, unless you knew the other boat its just not on
most of you blokes know you just don't do it , even most pingers know you don't just pull up next to someone and anchor that close , so why do it on my pot or anyones ??
I also mostly got crays freehand , loops where more of a hassle I found, , just easier to dive down and move along without the loop , grab your cray and return to the surface , bag it or boat it ,
vis wasn't flash and it was 8-10 metres ,
I don't have an isue with divers working around our pots it happens , justuse some discrection and courtesy where you anchor , same with the dive flag , use one on your boat , way too may times iv seen blokes without one , all people ask is for others to use some common sense and stop the self entitled attitude that just cause its not illegal it all ok
edit ......... to add , recently fisheries/depaws have been in there often I didn't contact them as I usually sort my own shite out , however other locals and ourselves have seen them a lot,in the last few weeks seems they might be having some success in their efforts on crays and abalone along the capes
hezzy
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TorquenFish
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Lastchance
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Ha! Love it
Ha! Love it
sea-kem
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I thinking the same
btw I live there now.
Love the West!
Timwoody86
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Date Joined: 05/07/14
hezzy your alright mate
hezzy good on ya for not gaffn the cunt its bull shit. these same fuks take crays from pro pots to and its there lively hood its how they make a living to send there kids to school. its called stealing. u pay for a licence and the cost involved ie boat rego insurances fuel servicing the list goes on. if you steal sheep or a chicken from a farmer he'll fukn shoot ya its just how it is. hezzy we should have a name and shame section on here and bring them to justice
cheers
shut up and fish
Hutch
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I reckon that's a bit harsh
I reckon that's a bit harsh mate. I agree people who steal are dirty bastards but no need for a name and shame, etc. If they take the risk they will get caught hopefully sooner rather than later.