bugger herring down to 12 a day
Submitted by uncle on Sat, 2014-12-20 06:41
The oldies won't be happy about that, plenty down south they reakon,pros. Won't be happy either
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Howard George
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The present Fisheries Minister.
To all the active fishermen out there that can see with their own eyes the healthy state of the States herring stocks Ken Baston appears as a complete idiot and should be classed as an embarrassment to the position he holds with-in government. Dodgy science supported by a pathetic minister and that's how he'll be remembered by most fishers.
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How many bloody herring do
How many bloody herring do you need?
Howard George
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The number is irrelevent geoff.
If there was a problem with the fishery Geoff I'd be one of the first to be jumping up and down screaming that something needs to be done but there's not and that's just so obvious to all of us that go fishing that this makes the imminent announcement by the minister appear a load of crap.
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There
There only little fish, 1 herring is about 1 mouthfull.
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You must have a big gob lol.
You must have a big gob lol.
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not really point mate. You
not really point mate. You have to remember the ppl that make these laws have never been to sea. Have no idea what fishing is or what stocks really are.
Case in point we had a uni student come to sea with us one year on trawler. He spent days telling us how to do our jobs because as he put it " i mnow moe abiut the ocean than you guys".
At this point i had zero respect an total contempt for our minister an the education system.
The minister here is talked to by same sort of idiot that tried to tell me i was not catching fish the correct way. Even though i had been doing it for 9 years at time.
I am all for controlling industry for generations to come, but to be honest this sounfds like vote hunting .
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Once again...
...we are left wondering about the quality of the "research", or perhaps the competence/integrity of the bureaucratic pencil-pushers who make decisions based on the research. What earth-shattering event caused them to go from a bag of 30 to a bag of 8 plus a closed season, to a bag of 12?
I think they're just throwing darts at a board somewhere and coming up with whatever the hell they feel like.
sexton
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12 herring is more than
12 herring is more than enough, stop your whinging!!
james1989
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im happy to see herring down
im happy to see herring down to 12 u dont need any more
JohnF
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Agree with the pro ban, and I
Agree with the pro ban, and I recon 12 herring per person is plenty......need to do the same for salmon......waste of a great sport fishing resource netting salmon to sell as cat food. That way the extra salmon can eat all the extra herring.......
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Reduction in commercial
Closing the commercial catch that occurs during a fishes breeding cycle removing tones of breeders and a reduction in recreational catch, that seems like great fishery managment to me. I dont see herring numbers out there like I used to and 12per day is more than enough.
Well done WA Fisheries.
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Think its a good move, tho
Think its a good move, tho the pro's will feel the pinch.
I can remember getting big bull Herring as a kid, now days mostly small ones.
Guess 2 people fishing getting 24 is heaps for a feed or to pickle.
Would like to see the numbers go up to 20 in 3-5 years, and we should see the size of the herring increase over the comming years
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
meglodon
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I agree with you
Yep 12 herring a day is a fair amount to set as a daily limit I think.
snapper_seeker
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Personally I dont eat
Personally I dont eat herring but I use them as bait so having 12 is not really sufficient for a long days fishing
james1989
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snapper seeker there are
snapper seeker there are other baits you can use or just save your herring every time u go out then. I think fishing for the future is a must as my two boys are obsessed with fishing and id like them to be able to take their kids when that comes around
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Perth Now has an article on
Perth Now has an article on it now..... The dickheads have a picture of King Geroge Whiting with the article
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12 is plenty per person. My
12 is plenty per person. My boys usually get 15 or 16 in a session and I'm the one usually filleting so no argument from me. That amount does the 4 of our family. And Like Wal said increase the number in a few years if needs be as the sizes will increase like Tailor have.
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yep I agree, 24 herring
yep I agree, 24 herring fillets is more then enough.
just hope the whiting are not next
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Haha how goods that from
Haha how goods that from Perth Now!!
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I would love to catch 12
I would love to catch 12 herring. but then again never really threaten the fish stocks of WA. The fish are pretty safe when I have a line in the water...
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MattMiller
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Rule for metro
this just seems a decision based on the metro stocks.
Come down to the SW or South Coast and you can catch 12 in no time.
I personally think 12 is a little low when you think of them as bait not as fillets.
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yeah I agree with you there
yeah I agree with you there Matt.
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Personally I think the main
Personally I think the main threats to the herring stocks are increasing dolphin and salmon populations and climate change. Not us.
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Yep
I also see 12 as a little low , No shortage here , if a drop in allowable catch was needed surely 20 or 15 is a big enough reduction?
glack
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Let's hope this change has
Let's hope this change has the same results as we have seen with the crayfish lately !!!!
I am pretty confident most people would also say the same about the pink snapper as well!!
i was sceptical when they bought in those changes and they seem to have worked, I am happy to cut them a bit of slack at the moment!!
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Boat limit??
is there a boat limit?
i would be happier with 20 herring per person, with a boat limit of say 30.
The way it is now, 30 herring each, no boat limit, 3 people is 90 herring, a little excessive, and i fish the reefs around Garden Island never a shortage of herring, i find that some days they are on the bite more, and some days they hang around until we leave, other days they are a bit spasmotic...(is that a word??)
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LOL
Yes there is such a word - but its spelled Spasmodic - good effort though!!!
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doesn't come into effect until march :)
from recfishwest email today...
"Recfishwest welcomed today’s announcement to close the commercial south coast Herring trap fishery and while disappointed with the size of the bag limit reduction we are glad to have maintained year round access to WA’s most important fish.
It's important to note that these changes don't affect you until March next year. "
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If you keep a couple days
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day trip
if its a day trip and 1 angler yes you will get pinged, (whole fish apply trip bag limits)
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I s'pose there'll be a
I s'pose there'll be a possession limit?
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Pressure
Why don't our overpaid pollies put pressure on their cousins in South Oz to reduce their herring bag limits down from 60 to somewhere near what ours are/ were.
They are all from the same biomass and it seem only one mob is willing to do anything about the supposed drop in numbers
MattMiller
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Spot on
when you look at the difference in bag limits between the West coast/South Coast and South Australia across a range of species you just shake your head.
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NSW pinkies
Son in law reckons that the 28cm size limit for pink snapper in NSW is what we should have over here, no wonder he finds it hard to catch a decent fish over there, there are no adult fish left.
That is why I take from the tip of the tail not the inside of the fork on all fish that are coming home with me.
You probably know of South Contos, was the place where one could happily go home with 7-8 herring that all were about 3/4kg each minimum, never seen another spot where they were so big consistently. Definitely not like those small jobbies off the northern beaches
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Agree a bag limit of 60 and
Agree a bag limit of 60 and boat limit of 180 herring a day here in SA may sound excessive but I doubt anyone rarely gets anywhere near this - certainly never heard of any big hauls recently. That being said no harm in reducing the bag limit then is there.
P.S. Been shaking my head a lot at the SA government recently, unfortunately Weatherill is a self admitted conservationist and is more than happy to give the green zealots anything they wish. Would much rather your fishing policies - at least you can get an artificial reef or two put in for fishers.
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Nowhere near the herring numbers as yesteryear
Good on ya Ken Baston. 12 is plenty enough for a feed and i don't recall them being a bait fish.
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personal 12 is too low imo 20
personal 12 is too low imo 20 would have been more like it ,
thing is its all very well to say lower the limits, but it needs to be based on good science & good sense . the data they have used is old , stocks have rebounded in recent years,
several things should have happened long ago as well , as mentioned the south coast herring trap fishery should have been reduced , along with a national management plan of species that cross over state borders,
no sense in WA cutting back if SA kill on ,just bloody stupid
one last thought as well ,
you blokes might stop and think about how hard it is to get these bag limits back once there lowered, it takes ages , if at all ,being on the rock lobster committee we had to use all angles as well as the legislation around the shared fishery, even then it was hard going , a lot depends on the minister and the fisheries dept if it happens
so even if these cuts don't affect you think carefully how it continues on across the other fisherys
if fishos stand together on these issues it makes them do the required science much more honestly , if we are divided , then it picks off a target much easier
how would you like demersals to go down to one each per licence? crabs to 6 each or 12 a boat ??
shore based licence for all fishing?? squid down to 4 each , 8 per boat ?? I could add more , but those sort of bag limits are enough per person if we listen to some people
there needs to be a balance, not endless cuts with convoluted rules most peeps don't understand , look at the recent enforcement going on , just over the top ,
without rigourous investigation you will get bad legislation
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I'll vote for you Hezzy"with
I'll vote for you Hezzy
"with convoluted rules most peeps don't understand , look at the recent enforcement going on , just over the top "
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It was quoted by fishrecwest
It was quoted by fishrecwest that the rrp of herring is down to 70c per kilo.
bam!! There is the true reason I reckon to reduce the numbers.. Less to sell, the price will go back up!
uncle
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agree with a few on here
20 sounds about right, as long as the crow eaters do something as well
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Jason P
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20 would have been a better
20 would have been a better number. But does that mean 12 per person or 12 per person holding a RFBL when on a boat?
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hezzy
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dooma , I don't know about
dooma , I don't know about the metro , but down here you cant buy herring anywhere near 70c a kilo ,
back in the late 80s when pro fishing the beaches , herring netted , we where getting 25c kilo , didn't stop tons being netted for bait , then or now at any price,
the traps way down south have taken tens of thousands of tons over the years,
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To the people who say 12 is
To the people who say 12 is plenty for you...no offence but dont tell me how many herring I need. 12 is too low.
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Aaron_Moses95
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I dont mind the reduction in
I dont mind the reduction in the bag limit, if anyone has fished dawesville cut this year will know why it needs to be reduced. People filling 3-4 buckets full of herring .
crasny1
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Agree
Seen that and just roll eyes. 2 people of Non Australian origin with 2 buckets full. Couldnt count them but there had to be 60+ in there. Roll eyes again. Had me thinking what would you do with that many. Bloody busy filleting.
But have to agree - 12 is low, not that I fancy herring. And I mostly fish for them as sport on fly, and keep a few as we have a fishmad dog that eats them whole and Sashimi style - still flapping.
Currently 30, so I would think a dozen down, maybe half would appease most. 15-18 IMO.
In the eighties catching a feed off herring off Avalon Beach took about half an hour. No berley required. Water just boiling. Just for a comparison went for a fish infront of our old beach house site, and struggled to get one with berley. Thus I do see the need for a reduction, but not so drastic.
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Wahoo
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not sure
that the reduction will stop those sort of people as they already ignore the current bag limit.
Fishin for a feed and fun.
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Therein lies the problem
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And hence those that do care
And hence those that do care about the rules, and more importantly the fish stocks, suffer the consequences!
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You are right on the money Sea-Kem
I have seen it done numerous times, what I do is take out the mobile (if I have it with me) take a couple of photos and watch the people with a couple of buckets of herring jump in their cars and take off.
I'm sick of hearing the same old story, "I live in a retirement home and like to catch some for my neighbours and their cat".
Yeah right 2-3 20 lte buckets of herring, crap.
RobK
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Yeah that's the problem and
Yeah that's the problem and why bag limits and size changes are essentially useless. You've only got go to the Ammo jetty etc. and see the bucket sitting crew ie. catch fish any size/species, throw straight in bucket, sit straight back down on top of it so no one can see.
I don't even think these people know and/or care what species they are catching.
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Been good lately with fisheries at the cut
The cut is on my way home, so often detour a little and check it out. Ha Ha, fisheries are up to them and sneaky now. Dont come driving up the front to allow dumping, but sneak into the back carpark and come from behind. Also seen an officer snapping away with a camera for the bucket dumpers. Love it.
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Some good comments/reading
Some good comments/reading were made on this past herring post:
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/herring-bag-limit-be-cut
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new development below ...how
new development below ...how will it be accepted if the commercial guys get the decision reversed and we recs are stuck with a bag of 12 only ??
there effort on catch reduction becomes minimal?
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/25888342/challenge-to-herring-ban-data/
Commercial fishers have accused the Fisheries Department of manipulating research data to justify closing their herring fishery in a move they say will put many to the wall.
Fisheries Minister Ken Baston announced last month that he would temporarily ban the most common form of commercial herring fishing known as "G" trap netting in a bid to ease pressure on stocks.
The ban, which was accompanied by a cut to the recreational bag limit from 30 fish a day to 12, comes into force on March 1 and will be reviewed at the end of next year.
At the heart of Mr Baston's decision was Fisheries advice warning there had been a sharp decline in herring numbers off WA in recent years.
The advice, based on research carried out over the past few years, said that unless the overall herring catch was slashed, stocks could be at risk.
Professional fishermen have questioned the department's research methods, saying it had "massaged" the data to suit a predetermined outcome.
Tony Westerberg, an Albany-based operator, said two of the key reasons cited by Fisheries for closing the fishery - the plunge in numbers and the juvenile age of sampled fish - were "crap".
Mr Westerberg said though he had noticed a "slight" drop in herring numbers, the department had exaggerated the trend.
He rejected suggestions there was a lack of mature herring, saying he had sent random samples from his catches to Victoria to be analysed and the results were in line with historic precedents.
"I want to keep catching them for the public," Mr Westerberg said. "Once we lose it now, this two years isn't two years - it is for ever."
The department stood by its research.
"Both independent scientific reviews supported the research outcomes that fishing pressure is too high and the stocks have declined," a spokeswoman said.
"Even the herring samples the fishers obtained themselves and had aged by their consultants showed the same result that fishing pressure was too high."
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"I want to keep catching
"I want to keep catching them for the public," Can someone tell me where there are fresh Herring for sale or where the market is for the things? I hardly see them in the fish shops I walk past regularly in Vic park and Cannington. Coles and Woolies don't sell them where we shop. So if the decision is reversed then it's the rec fisho's copping it up the jacksy once again. Like I said before you won't dent fish populations with a rod and reel, only netting, long lines and traps do that. But I also understand there needs to be a commercial fishery albeit a very well managed one.
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If the herring are in such a
If the herring are in such a bad state I suggest rather than just end a commercial fishery the government should buy them out and be done with it. End it with a bit of respect. Same goes for all commercial fisheries. If the stocks can't handle it, buy them out and end it. Win win for everyone.
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Its been a constant war
Its been a constant war between us/them an the minister for as long as I have ever known. Those idiots have never been to sea, have never understood that Trawlerman "deliberatly" self manage the system because without it, they/we have no job. So this is jsut typical bs on their part. For me personally I dont really care as I cant even catch 1 fish at moment, never midn 12... lol an even if I did, I would still catch them, just that I would release them again is all. As you can see by the "dept's" attitude this is a long LONG standing fued. We work our collective butts off an they make silly laws under advice from young uni leavers who think they know better.
Now after I get off my soap box I am going to go an learn how to make explosives so I can actually catch something :p
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