Boat Aground Marmion Avenue

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/boat-runs-aground--on-road-on-marmion-avenue-in-quinns-rocks-20160221-gmzrl7.html

 

So how does everyone else tiedown their boats?

 

I tie the nose down with rope and the back with a strap but the ratchet rubs on the side and scartches the paint.


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Probably snapped the winch point on the bow

Mon, 2016-02-22 08:25

 Biggest risk with glass boats is their method of attaching the winch cable, which is the only security most people use when towing short distances. "oh", you say, "but I have a security chain as well"  And where is it attached to?   "drum roll " THE SAME PLACE AS THE WINCH CABLE.  That nice shiny stainless eye you hook to, do you know what it is really like? Whats happening in the 50mm or so that is hidden inside the glass? When I bought my first glass boat, just last year, I pulled the old anchor gear out of the well to replace it, and guess what I found? One leg of the eye was sitting in the bottom of the well, snapped off. Looked to have suffered from crevice corrosion. So I was winching and securing on one (corroded)leg of an 8mm eye. Scary stuff on a fully rollered trailer which will self launch at one degree past dead level.  I only have 1.7 k to the ramp, so I don't put a strap over.  

I made it more secure by splicing a piece of 12mm rope to the winch post , with a spliced eye on the other end, made to a length which can slip over the bow bollard. if the winch cable/attachment point lets go, it can only roll back about 350mm on the trailer before it comes up tight.  I much prefer ali boats in this regard, a nice solid welded lump of ali with a hole through it to winch from.

 

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How good is the welding on

Mon, 2016-02-22 08:50

How good is the welding on the winch post?

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Winching my boat on one day I

Mon, 2016-02-22 13:15

Winching my boat on one day I noticed the stainless steel U bolt on the bow was now a J bolt as it had snapped in half.

I have also had my winch post rip clean off the trailer when winching up. Thankfully that was my tinny and it was easy enough to unload into the ute and with thanks to another bloke, drag it up.

Always physically tie my boats to the trailer too. I have seen one bounce off the trailer once, still attached to the winch post. Ugly damage at the start of Point Peron Road.

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Yep

Mon, 2016-02-22 14:57

Bow eye snapped off.

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12mm rope enough?

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:05

 Whats a good average for 12mm rope...2.5 tonne? shock load is a powerful force at times. i would run near tight with a shackle, Great idea though.

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 I’m going with the winch

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:16

 I’m going with the winch drum wasn’t locked in properly then the trailer just rolled out from under it snapping the shackle chain weld off the post ..

In that situation if it was tied down properly front and sides you'd have a better chance of it staying mostly on.  

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Bugger

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:26

 Hate that after a day out.i don't know enough about it to comment

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 I doubt that was even

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:28

 I doubt that was even winched up properly and didn't have a safety chain.. It's let go at the lights. Lights go green, Cruiser with trailer takes off and boat said "Nope, I'm staying right here"

Look how high the motor is trimmed up for driving too.. Trying to take someone out?? 

 

 

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 You don't think he trimmed

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:43

 You don't think he trimmed it up after it smashed into the ground?

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trim for transport

Mon, 2016-02-22 11:17

 just on this and apologies for any hijack...what is the best / proper position for an outboard when traveling? i have always had mine (50hp) sit down onthe second stage (lower) ram so closeish to vertical. Good to hear from others who know more than me!

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really don't think it makes a

Mon, 2016-02-22 11:24

really don't think it makes a difference. If trailer allows then as low as possible so you don't have "trailer overhang" and need the red flag.

but cant see it making a difference on the rams. Maybe for vibration on long distances but the rams are built to withstand huge pressures.

(mine had dedicated traveling blocks...tilt motor up clip down metal blocks ....lower rams until pressure off)

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 cool. thanks for the

Mon, 2016-02-22 11:39

 cool. thanks for the feedback

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 I thought the drop down

Mon, 2016-02-22 15:37

 I thought the drop down metal block are only for servicing the ram parts?

 

I have one of those ripoff yamaha suspension blocks that goes over the ram!

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mines a Johnson (evinrude)

Mon, 2016-02-22 17:49

mines a Johnson (evinrude) bit different from other motors ...drop down "lock arm" is very substantial and made for travelling on trailer.

http://www.boatus.com/magazine/trailering/2012/march/transom-saver.asp

Etec and Johnson refer to the bracket as a "trailering bracket" states in the manual to use if for this.

All makes are a bit different though.

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Looks like there's no damage.

Thu, 2016-02-25 22:58

Looks like there's no damage. It would have hit the deck first and made a mess of the skeg and road u would think... There are drag marks that look like fibreglass behind the boat, but no crevice from the skeg..  

 

 

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Question about the photo...

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:40

 ....what's the go with the passenger in a vehicle driven by an L plater? Aren't they meant to be monitoring/assisting the learner, rather than taking pictures?

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 I don't think it matters

Mon, 2016-02-22 13:11

 I don't think it matters what the passenger is doing here in Perth. Apparently I've heard the passenger can be pissed drunk and still teach someone on L plates to drive.

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No that is incorrect albeit a

Mon, 2016-02-22 15:06

No that is incorrect albeit a fairly new law

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 That law hasn't been passed

Mon, 2016-02-22 17:52

 That law hasn't been passed yet. No BAC for supervising driver yet. Just have to be a qualified driver.

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 Winch did fail. Other pics

Mon, 2016-02-22 09:45

 Winch did fail. Other pics show the cable run out and using a crane to lift back onto trailer. 

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looks like an old chivers

Mon, 2016-02-22 12:18

looks like an old chivers thunderbird , there a pretty solid unit ,
lucky it didnt have a worse result

followed a bloke back from margs the other day his boat was so badly loaded onto the trailer i still cant believe he didnt pick it before he left the ramp , none of his keel rollers where on and the whole rig was sitting lop sided , sort of crabbing up the road

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It all relies on the winch post, eventually.

Mon, 2016-02-22 12:54

 And they can and do fail, mostly through neglect.  So anyhting attached to there is useless, obviously, if that happens.

On the topic of my using a bit of 12 mm rope, the shock loading, as one poster alluded to, can't be too much on a boat which probably only weighs 1100 kg loaded. We are not dropping the thing vertically, it can only be loaded to the extent that the vehicle can accelerate, minus frictional/rolling resistance losses, and it can't build momentum by moving far before it comes up tight. I don't reckon the mighty 4.2T patrol ute is much of a neck- snapper away from the lights with the boat in tow   . Mind you, if i am driving somewhere that is so loaded with hazards as to require traffic lights, I've got it strapped to the trailer with a proper truck webbing tie-down anyway.  Edit--last boat was ali, had a big s/s turnbuckle as the security onto the winching point, drop a pin through it so it couldn't back off. 

 

Quote[followed a bloke back from margs the other day his boat was so badly loaded onto the trailer i still cant believe he didnt pick it before he left the ramp , none of his keel rollers where on and the whole rig was sitting lop sided , sort of crabbing up the road ]   probably a drive-on  * runs for cover *

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On the point of using tie

Mon, 2016-02-22 15:20

On the point of using tie downs on boats, I recently had some work done on my plate ally boat, and I asked the chandler about tie down points, after I noticed the guy at work had them on his barcrusher for attaching to the trailer, and I thought it was a great idea, since my boat is farily light.

He said that its a great idea to tie your boat down so that it doesn't bounce around too much, but advised against using ratchet straps and really tightening the boat onto the trailer, particularly if you have rollers. He said that he was currently working on a boat which had been tightened onto the trailer via ratchet straps, and had really applied point loading to the areas where the rollers were contacting the hull, and then drove the boat up to the Pilbara. Apparently he went through some farily gnarly corrugated roads, and one roller had actually punched clean through the hull, negating his entire trip since the boat could no longer float. He said that the skid style trailers (I'm not sure what they're actually called) are a little better since there's a larger area contacting the hull, but still advised against really tightening it down.

I've since ordered some fasty straps to allow me to quickly tie down the boat to stop it from jumping, but not so tight that I'm likely to run into trouble.

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I don't like to see anyone in that sort of mess

Mon, 2016-02-22 12:52

My simpathy goes out to anyone who ends up in a situation like that, no matter how caused.

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Yes not good to see

Mon, 2016-02-22 16:07

 not everyone has the knowledge of winch failure, eye bolt failure and so on. I was hoping that it wasn't due to foulplay, like some prick undoing the safety chain and winch while in his driveway. Heard of that happening. And agree'd, dont want to see this happening to anyone. 

 

Probably lucky the motor was trimmed up, could have had a bigger expense on his hands with a cracked leg and stuffed prop.

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Mon, 2016-02-22 16:22

 Quite a few years back at the lights off SW Hwy and Robertson Drive... Bunno bypass on the way south I saw a Big Seafarer.... Maybe a Victory or next model up laying pretty much through the intersection. .. felt for the owner... he was shattered. ..head in hands.  The boat had come off the low riding multi roller trailer when something gave as he accelerated from the red light. It's the stuff of boat ownership nightmares...  Id have been crying too

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There were some pics doing

Mon, 2016-02-22 18:57

There were some pics doing the round a couple of years back, of the opposite.
A car slamming on brakes for a cow or roo and the stem hitting the top of the rear door of a 200 series

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 As a question is this sort

Mon, 2016-02-22 19:20

 As a question is this sort of incident covered by insurance.  Or is it a tough love learning experience?

 

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I'd say most comprehensive

Mon, 2016-02-22 19:29

I'd say most comprehensive boat insurance would cover this.
just like having and accident in car, even if your fault its covered.

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Trailer Covered?

Fri, 2016-02-26 06:19

 Does boat insurance cover the trailer or is that an extra policy?

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not sure about all insurance

Fri, 2016-02-26 08:48

not sure about all insurance co's but mine I have a breakdown for insurance (I assigned the values)

Hull
outboard
trailer

but insured as a package.