Bloody Hoons

Yesterd day i got a Phone call from my wife telling me i needed to come home as a young boy 17years had just lost controll of his mums car which was going to be his in a couple off weeks when he could drive it as at this stage he only had his L plate and should nothave been driving without supervision of course mum and dad were out so he thought he would sneak in a spin while they were out. The lucky boy didn't get hurt or hit any one but did write off the commodore and wreak my fence and vegie patch out the front of my house. Lucky for me the mum and dad are good people and the boy is and will be in the shit for a while as mum and dad have ofered to pay to fix and replace the garden/fence back to how it was. what do we do with the kids of today im dreading mine growing up.

 

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Lucky

Sun, 2011-07-10 15:33

Wow! that was very very lucky no one got hurt! 

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Your wife been driving again

Sun, 2011-07-10 16:06

Tell her it dont count as off roading

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Lucky no one go thurt.

Sun, 2011-07-10 16:19

Lucky no one go thurt. Might..... just might.... make him think twice now about the dangers of driving a car.

 

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Not a good look. Hopefully he

Sun, 2011-07-10 16:23

Not a good look. Hopefully he takes something from it.

Isnt the first and wont be the last!

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Oh no your veggie patch I

Sun, 2011-07-10 16:25

Oh no your veggie patch I shouldve washed the glue out there ...might have slowed him down ...lucky the kids weren't playing on the front lawn ...bloody dips s@it kids these days my cousin did this the other day and had the balls to ask me to take the rap for him ...

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dips@it kids in every

Sun, 2011-07-10 16:41

dips@it kids in every generation i'm afraid. Its not new and in 100 years it wont be old :p.

Sorry to hear about your fence/vegies Graham. On the plus side, at least no one was hurt, there wasnt any structural damage to the house and he has responsible parents (that ones the real miracle). Hopefully sorted out soon and the twerp in charge learnt a valuable lesson.

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Yeh true but it seems to be

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:30

Yeh true but it seems to be happening more often
Still dip sh@ts in my book

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Seems is the right word here

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:45

Seems is the right word here ;)

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers." Socrates. circa 400BC

Its not that times are changing, but that people change as they age. As people get older their views change, they have different interests, they read different stories, they notice different things, their view of the past becomes rose tinted as they remember back to a 'golden age' where everything was perfect. This happens to pretty much every generation, and its been happening forever. The reason you notice something bad in the 'youths of today' it does not mean its increasing in real terms. Every generation perceives themselves as better than the previous one and better than the current one without being objective about it. "Back in my day..."

Lots of reasons for it. I highly doubt when most people here were 17 they were reading about what 17yo's were doing in the paper, but come 35? What if theres always 1/100 really bad kids. As a kid YOU werent that 1/100, but when you read about it in the paper decades later you assume that lots of kids are like that now because you dont remember yourself or any of your friends doing that. Remember being the key word. You're lying to yourself if you said you've never done ANYTHING stupid as a kid ;) Most people then go into a process called rationalisation if they admit something: "Yeah, but I was different because...". Newspapers and other sources know this and they pander to it. Most people are unaware.

 

Interesting article here: http://psychcentral.com/lib/2009/whats-the-matter-with-kids-today/
 

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Eh bottom line no matter if

Sun, 2011-07-10 19:58

Eh bottom line no matter if your 16 or 40 in my books if you do something stupid your a dipsh@t...
I went through this with my cousin when he smashed into someone's garden bed what if kids were in the front yard ...all of a sudden he's gone from a idiot behind a wheel to murderer.

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Sorry to hear that mate but

Sun, 2011-07-10 16:32

Sorry to hear that mate but its good you had it resolved quickly and we hope he just thinks twice from now on but unfortunately in most cases this wont happen. in one of the ex homes we had this was a weekly issue with hoons coming around a bend and thinking their some stunt drivers and power sliding, and way too many times the houses around the bend had this type of accidents and came to a point that kids werent allowed out the front yards, i think now thats a no thru road probably the council realised its danger.

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punish

Sun, 2011-07-10 17:16

 being 17 and having a licence.  Best way to stop it, is for us to fear our elders and punishment.

i'm shit scared of my dad, who is a very old school army type, the fear of his punishment and 'talk' turns me off doing anything stupid

More kids of today need to have adult figures and authority

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Tell your freinds Callum.

Sun, 2011-07-10 17:45

Tell your freinds Callum.


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Gonna have to disagree on

Sun, 2011-07-10 17:57

Gonna have to disagree on this one. Oh no. Personally i'd prefer the method where kids learn personal responsibility and consequence of actions rather than being scared into doing something out of fear. "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out."

Of course, this is a mere idealistic fantasy with no hope of coming true for the majority...


Better driver training would go a long way to improving things like this. At the moment what do you do? Ok, heres the rules, you're allowed to get a few wrong. Click a few things on the computer, then do 25/50hrs driving with someone whos only qualification is that they have a license, then a test you can do as many times as you like which checks that you know the rules (but not that you are a safe driver!). Proper driver education, plus more hours would do a lot of good. Show them on a track just how easy is it to get in a lot of trouble (theres ones where you go around at slow speeds and things pop up for example). Unfortunately its just 'too hard' and 'defensive driving would just cause more hoons'. The other thing is just trying to adjust the culture where its cool to be an idiot, and where people just dont care. Getting kids to care is a hard thing, especially from hard backgrounds. Most only care about getting away, not what they caused. Certainly many hoons have parents who couldnt give a crap too, and who have no discipline (or love) at home. Having adult figures can go several ways. To serve as disiplinary agents, but also as educators, and to serve as a positive role model. Unfortunately not all parents are like that, so is teach them more things when getting a license a possible solution?

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So where does that leave

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:03

those of us who never had lessons and just got behind the wheel, passed the test and have been driving ever since. Not going through peoples front yards and generally making a dick of themselves.

It's got nothing to do with training and more to do with attitude and respect, something majorly lacking in 'modern' society.

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TBH, if you have the attitude

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:21

TBH, if you have the attitude and respect, you'll do fine. Most dont though :p Its not just lessons though, but education and training with broader scope. More extensive driver training has to cover everyone, and as such would cover those who just dont have the right attitude/respect/understanding. Remember, most new drivers are effectively just kids, many without any knowledge or understanding of the road, and many who dont realise you need to switch your brain on to drive, or dont understand just how easy it is to loose control of the situation. You dont need huge amounts of training to be a good driver, but better education could significantly increase the quality and safety of new drivers, as well as their attitudes to driving and the understanding of its consequences. It might not affect those who would have been good drivers anyway, but it could affect a lot who'd be average or crap drivers (or idiots). And its those people that need extra training/understanding/experience. Many countries already do this, but Australia is lagging behind.

I think if everyone was like you Matt, I doubt we'd have nearly as many crashes or idiots on the road, but unfortunately I dont think thats the case for all drivers :(

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On the other hand

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:26

I would say that the majority of 'ordinary' drivers I come across are certainly older than 17 and are too far gone for any training

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I agree to some extent but

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:35

I agree to some extent but seeing my younger cousins on the road no matter how many times they get there car confiscated and suspended licences crashes some people just don't learn ..... Sometimes I think they treat the warnings and tickets as trophies ..that's why I don't have any sympathy for the so called HOONS when stuff like his goes down

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here here

Sun, 2011-07-10 18:00

completely agree Callum

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 Sounds like you have got

Sun, 2011-07-10 17:30

 Sounds like you have got your head screwed on properly Callum, ain't nothing like the fear of god! Worked for me, oh man I copped some floggings!!

Unfortunately with all this "positive parenting" and the like this is the result!

F@#*ing idiot!!

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dam morley hoons

Sun, 2011-07-10 17:42

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I castrated my urge to hoon

Sun, 2011-07-10 19:00

I castrated my urge to hoon when i first got my licence...................I bought a 2.8L Diesel Hilux.

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Rule 1 of learning to drive

Sun, 2011-07-10 19:27

Rule 1 of learning to drive is to be with an adult holding a current drivers licence. Sorry hlokk this punk dont stand a chance and like the car is probably gonna be a write off himself. jmo. Sorry bout the veggies mate

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Thanks guys it will be fixed

Sun, 2011-07-10 22:36

Thanks guys it will be fixed soon I hope. I also hope his parents are good for their word and pay on his behalf the 1 frustrating bit is most of the stuff in there was grown from seeds and some of my (hot) chillie plants cant be replaced i havent seen them or the seeds for sale anyware other that at the chillie festival. Me, the wife and kids put lots of time into growing it. But at least no one was hurt if it had of been the day before all of us were gardening out there could have been a lot worse.

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Get him to do it

Mon, 2011-07-11 07:51

Get his parents to pay for the fence and get him to do the work in the garden including going for the seeds and seedlings etc the make him dig in the compost and weed it for a year!

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I might be able to get some

Mon, 2011-07-11 07:53

I might be able to get some ring of fire chilli seeds for u mate

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Just getting off my P's i can

Sun, 2011-07-10 22:51

Just getting off my P's i can tell you this, more hours, more driving practice, more courses or whatever will not make a difference..

If some one wants to be a hoon or idiot then they will.  It's not how you were raised, it's mainly what friends they have and what group you grew up with as a kid.

It's not that theres more people doing it, it's just the rules are getting more strict and they are actually cracking down. Back then you could probably do burnouts up your street and everyone would be out the front with there bongs cheering.. lol these days people are a lot more strict.

 

 

More police present, constantly pulling over P platers would do massive help stopping hoons, as it shows that they're watching. Nothing worse then getting pulled over by a cop for the first time in your car.

 

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Wonderful, more police :(

Mon, 2011-07-11 06:57

 

More police with radar guns.... Fantastic. The speed camera's are doing such a good job for revenue raising 'road safety'.

 

Idiots will be idiots, and there will never be any shortage of them. Learner drivers should be allowed to spend some time at a track, out of everyones way where they can learn just how quickly things can go tits up rather than doing their experimenting in your veggie patch.

 

Bad luck on the chillies mate, I've got a couple of tasty varieties growing if you need some seed.  

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The idea is that police can

Mon, 2011-07-11 10:36

The idea is that police can check for dangerous driving, while speed cameras cant. Speed cameras check only if you're going above a preset speed, not if you're driving dangerously (which at times can be a fair bit under the speed limit).

The problem is that its just so easy to use speed cameras rather than put police on the roads instead to cover all kinds of dangerous driving. They wouldnt be just using radar only.

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Except

Tue, 2011-07-12 13:28

 if your 40 or more above the speed limit on camera - the your gone for reckless driving and lose your car!

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Well,

Tue, 2011-07-12 14:51

if your doing more than 40 over the speed limit you've got more problems than just losing your drivers licence

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Exactly

Tue, 2011-07-12 15:17

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FYI

Tue, 2011-07-12 15:22

i wasn't referring to Reckless Driving

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I know

Tue, 2011-07-12 15:33

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I think he should be forced

Mon, 2011-07-11 10:59

I think he should be forced to work your veggie patch for a year as punishment!

and wear a Dob-In-Vest. Bring back American style chain gangs for these turds!

 

We got a huge hoon problem now up in Midlands, with nightly burn-outs and drags along Campersic Road and even doughnut burn outs in the middle of Great Northern Highway!!!!

Not enough cop cars out to catch them at night and not enough judges with balls to put them away when they are court!

 

In my road, we now keep a few surprises for them when they try thier cr@p around us, call it what you like ( taking the law into our hands!!!) but if you like your car, stay away from our street

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Hahahaha Some how I don't

Mon, 2011-07-11 19:11

Hahahaha

Some how I don't think Graham will let anyone in his veggie patch

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Ha ha yes Joe he wont be

Tue, 2011-07-12 10:41

Ha ha yes Joe he wont be comming near my veggie patch and thanks for the offers of chillie seeds I have managed to get a few chillies out of the dirt so hopefully i will be able to re grow them from seeds again.

On a positive repairs have started and his Mum & Dad have paid for the first lot of work done so looks like it will have a happy ending and hopefully He will learn something from all of this.

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i hate to be a party pooper

Tue, 2011-07-12 12:24

i hate to be a party pooper but who didn't hasn't got behind the wheel and tried to be a hero, i've done it, i never got caught nor did i damage to anything or anyone but i looked right a right dick infront of my mates facing the wrong way trying to drift a corner and well needless to say that ended my drifting career. People will always test the limits, hell i had a Lancer Evo 9 with everything possible i could do to it without opening the motor barring cam shafts and i drove that thing like a man possesed albeit still in control looking for the grip levels when i was in the mood to go fast.

Here's hoping he learns his lesson, if he wants to be a d*&khead then do it out of harms way, go and do an advanced driving course, go to the motorplex and rip up a set of old tyres. There just isn't enough places to legally thrash your car, i tried to convince the shire to build a burnout pad/ 1/8 mile drag strip open at all times but the liability to the shire was too much, shame really as i have a few sets of old tyres i'd like to dispose of with the Senator!!

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yes we took out our bikes and

Tue, 2011-07-12 13:12

yes we took out our bikes and cars and thrassed them over moutain passes and twisty roads,

BUT WE NEVER DID IT IN BUILT UP AREAS, AROUND SCHOOLS AND PEOPLES HOMES!

thats the difference these days....

 

when I crashed at 220km/hr on my bike on a moutain road, all that got hurt was me, my bike and some scrub vegitation !!! not some ones kid or wall or car! Oh and after that I kept to the race track as the medics get to you faster than on a public road....

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But how much of 'no one got

Tue, 2011-07-12 13:38

But how much of 'no one got hurt' was luck ;)

Still cars on twisty mountain roads though.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnbullas/3039104970/

Would be really nice if there were drag or burnout strips the general public could just use. Give them an outlet away from people and let them do it. A private stretch of road/race track would be really interesting too. I guess some of the 'thrill' is doing it in areas you shouldnt know.

 

Though, I dont know a single person who rides a motorbike who hasnt gotten into a serious accident. All were ok, but some was just sheer luck they didnt die or become a paraplegic. The major accident rates are about 1 in 2.

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I had a mate pull out on a

Tue, 2011-07-12 16:41

I had a mate pull out on a bike. he looked 1 way the other twice, nobody was there, and pulled out. the bike was doing about 300kmph. the bike rolled his ute 3 times. the biker was killed instantly and he came out witha couple of broken bones. didnt even hear or see him.

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Drivers - Riders

Tue, 2011-07-12 14:59

If you want to get motor bike riders to think about the risks involved...take them down to Shenton Park rehab centre. That place can make any hero cry. The guys in there who are on 20 years old and will be stuck in a wheel chair for their whole life can really make you reassess the importance of your legs...and being able to use them. Have a look at the faces of their parents who will have to look after their "child" for the rest of their life. If someone still decides to put themselves into harms way and put their parents through that sort of greif, then they need to take a good hard look at their selfish face in the mirror.

I think the problem isnt someones age, it is the issue that nobody is made to be responsible for their actions any more. Too many parents dig their kids out of the crap these days rather than making them suffer the consequences, or make excuses for them, or never smack them on the arse, or never.....you get the idea.

End of the day, if some moron wants to be a moron then there is no stopping them. Having said that, if my kid got killed because someone drove through my fence, the driver might survive the crash but they would end up a paraplegic by the time I wrapped a shovel around his or her kneck. 

Actually, I probably couldnt bring myself to do that because I would feel guilty for the rest of my life. Doesnt make sense does it.

End of rant.

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i have a mate who just come

Tue, 2011-07-12 15:39

i have a mate who just come out of Shenton Park, he hit a cow at night and was pinned by his upper arm in the window of the car for 20 hours before he was released from the vehicle, from what he told me it's not a nice place at all and he wasn't even being naughty. You sounds like a little angel all perfect Bradz, i too could sit there and go on about how reckless and dangerous it is and what if a kid was injured/killed etc but no i'm only lying to myself, i drive faster than the posted speed limit from Karratha to Perth, i love a traffic light drag race even in my Cruiser and i love putting my vehicle through it's paces, doing with no one around doesn't make it less evil or bad.

If you can sit there and tell us all you have NEVER done anything reckless in a vehicle in your life and have a clean sheet, all your demerit points (which i do by the way) then good on you, boys will be boys they will always stuff up, thankfully in this instance no harm to anyone bar the drivers self pride and only damage to property was the result. Sorry for it to be you GrahamM and good to see the parents came to the party and it all ended as well as it could, i'm sure he felt 2 inches tall when he opened that car door with his tail between his legs, lets hope his lesson has been learnt.

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Brucesta

Tue, 2011-07-12 16:34

I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at. Not everyone in Shenton park is a hoon. Nor did I imply it. All I was saying is that if people understand the real outcomes when things go bad, then they may choose to approach driving differently.
Demerit points...yep I have lost a total of 3 in 18 years. Each time a 1 point loss. Wreckless, not really.
I am no angel either but when people decide to take risks with other peoples lives...that is wrong.
Just because someone isn't an angel doesn't mean they can't express an opinion. Perhaps it is a touchy subject because of your friend, but I stand by what I wrote.
Ps. I hope your mate is doing ok.

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he's all good now mate, right

Tue, 2011-07-12 17:08

he's all good now mate, right arm is a little weak still and more rehab will fix that in good time, it's amazing his outlook now on driving, all for the rest breaks every 2 hours, don't drive at night etc etc which he was guilty for before the accident, i guess we all take things for granted in the end and we will continue to do so until the effects of road accidents hit us personally.

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Good to hear

Tue, 2011-07-12 17:16

And that is all I was trying to get at. Until you get stuck in that sort of crap situation people cant contemplate the real impact. The sooner drivers learn that lesson the better the driver they will be. Unfortunately it often takes an accident to realise it.

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