Aluminium boats..... Genisis, assassin, trailcraft?? Recommendations?
Submitted by Piggy on Sat, 2013-01-05 10:35
Gents,
Im looking at a new Ali boat and want recommendations. I want about 22 foot and don't wanna pay over $60k. I've had a look at the trailcraft 660. They are pretty cheap and look pretty good... Genisis and assassin seem pretty expensive. Any thoughts or recommendations?
Cheers guys
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brine59
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Ali boats - recommendations
You get what you pay for. These three brands are three completely different hull shapes hence handling characteristics and
sea kindliness vary. What patch of water do you intend fishing? Deadrise is 20 degrees on Assassin, 15 degrees on Genesis and not
sure on Trailcraft but it does not appear to have a very smooth entry in the rough stuff. All solidly built just depends how good your back is as far as
comfort goes. If you want an armchair ride in the rough more degrees deadrise is better but more expensive to run. Genesis is a trusted Jackman design
Assassin is now a Bill Plug design, they used to be Jackman. Trailcraft not sure of pedigree? Possibly, as far as price goes, work up a bare boat from Redline, if you have the know how (no paint etc.) you still end up with an Assassin. Or go all out and work up a bare boat from Southbound in Dunsborough (its still the same Bill Plug design).
Bruce
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Coraline and Razerline make
Coraline and Razerline make some good boats but are expensive new, for example the 620 model is $80k
Just a question, why do you want to buy new?
catchalittle
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I agree with you Bruce about
I agree with you Bruce about the coraline but if you look around you can pick up a bargin now is not the time to be buying a second hand boat better to wait till winter the coraline I RIDE IN COST $42,000 was bought in winter gives you more bargining power
Nathan
Piggy
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Just want the reliability of
Just want the reliability of a new boat and engine that's about all. For the price the trailcraft looks good, but yeah never been in one on the water so don't know about how it handles and rides
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pricey10
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All 3 of them require a visit
All 3 of them require a visit to the chiropractor after a long day on the ocean lol
Karratha. WA
aalfred
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My mate first had a
My mate first had a Trailcraft and then a Genisis.
I have been out in both of them and the Genisis is no comperesant to the Traily. Much better ride in the Genisis but still safe in the Traily.
And I have been on three boats which broke down at sea. They all had one thing in common and that was a Mercury that failed! I would say its more important to look for the engine then the hull brand. My tip is stay away from Mercury/Mariner engines.
Good Luck on the chase
Piggy
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I have had a bit of a look
I have had a bit of a look around today and there aren't many aluminium boats around for the size and price I'm looking at. Does anyone know of anywhere they are advertised? I have tried gumtree and boat sales!
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Bruce
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Boatsonline has a few and
Boatsonline has a few and maybe try the weekend paper. Hardly any 22ish foot but a few smaller ones
http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/absolute-sports-fisherman/122231
Not sure about you but I hate the compartment in the middle of the deck...
http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/quintrex-620-coastrunner/123776
mullows
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I had a trailcraft for a
I had a trailcraft for a couple of years and whilst it did what I wanted it to do at the time it taught me how to read the weather! Put it this way, it was affectionately named the "current". Why, because if you dropped the 3rd, 4th and 5th letter that was the type of day you had if the weather went to shit. On a rough day I always developed a bout of Tourette's.
The Older I get the better I was :-)
profish540
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Haha maybe that's where I
Haha maybe that's where I developed Tourette's.
Swompa
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I read this and laughed when
I read this and laughed when you first posted and now 6 months later it still gets a laugh.
mullows
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Haha yeah mate the memories
Haha yeah mate the memories are still pretty raw
Cheers
\Mullows
The Older I get the better I was :-)
Piggy
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Cheers for the help guys. I
Cheers for the help guys. I have found a couple. I will have to do more searching on Monday!
http://m.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/?R=12743869
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big john
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Nice
Just need's some batman logo's!
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Piggy
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Yeah it looks pretty cool!!
Yeah it looks pretty cool!! Love the twins on the back.... Not so much the 600 hours tho
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pricey10
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600 hours is nothing these
600 hours is nothing these motors like to be run not sitting round in the back yard corroding. I've put 70 hours on mine in the 3 weeks. Don't be scared by the hours if the motor has been looked after
Karratha. WA
Rob H
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not a bad looking rig, 600
not a bad looking rig, 600 hours is nothing, especially on the Hondas. Its the age/lack of use that fks the 4 strokes, not hrs
gotta chuckle at the epirb/extinguisher though-the LAST place I'd want to go if it was sinking or 350 litres was burning-is inside the cabin right to the front!
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Piggy
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Yeah not the best place for
Yeah not the best place for it! Haha looks like a decent rig tho, bit more than I wanna pay!
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shonky
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Imported
Trailcraft are now made in china,genesis aren't bad and still made in WA
This habit is getting expensive!
dr red
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chivers
See Luke at Chivers Marine ,go for a ride and compare.
I am very happy with my 5.8 cc.had a Genesis before not happy with ride.build quality OK
Slap
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520 Genesis
Have a 520 Genesis which we bought off gumtree. Very happy with the overall nature of the boat, solid and handles well without the worry of dinging a fibreglass vessel over reefs.
Note: you have ALOT of bargaining power on gumtree. alot of people are selling boats given their own economic situation and are looking for some quick coin. That being said, we spent months looking over ads (everyday & on all the sites), until we were happy with the way the boat had been treated by the previous owner.
Our Gen was advertised at 45k and we bargained it down to 32k pretty easily. I'm not saying all people are like this, but if you keep trying you'll get a very good bargain.
Stopping and Smelling the Flowers.
West coast pom
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I own a 2005 Genesis 550
I own a 2005 Genesis 550 Sports and have to agree with the comments above, great boat, huge fishing space, well laid out, plenty of storage and rod space, high gunwales and tough as nails...BUT conversely can be brutal on the spine in rough weather.
I wanted a rig that was stable at rest for fishing and with a 2.5m beam it's lovely but anything over 20knots and you have to know how to drive it or trimmed out correctly- the first few times i belly flopped into a trough i honestly thought i'd hit a reef or a log or something (the acho of an ally boat makes it sound worse admittedly).
Got the johnson 115hp on the back and on a flat day trimmed out easily skips along at 30-35knots+ and fuel economy is pretty good too.
In summary, would definately recommend them, but you gotta be prepared for either a tough ride or a slower one in choppy weather.
Cheers.
James
Cruise Control
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I've not heard good things
I've not heard good things about Trailcraft. We put 3 big blokes in a 660 at the boat show and I thought it would tip over
i like their trailers though !
Rob H
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I had a 5.8 trailcraft, and
I had a 5.8 trailcraft, and while its absolutely true that the ride isnt flash i found that with 4 blokes in it there seemed no chance of getting it anywhere near the point of discomfort standing on one side. We did Abrolhos trips with 3 and 4 blokes and dive gear. Thats a function of the shallow V and hence lowish power requirements of course, exactly the same cause of the hard ride.
ive got a Cruisecraft now but would i own another Trailcraft?
Bloody oath, at the right price. They are a strong, knockaround rig great for knocking round in explore mode. Plenty of fuel capacity and no pretences.
Are there better alloy boats? Without question there is, but not at the same price.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Magic
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Running Cost
Brine59
When you say "If you want an armchair ride in the rough more degrees deadrise is better but more expensive to run" how much more expensive and why?
till
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Don't forget more tippy at
Don't forget more tippy at rest, unless they accomodate for this with something like a flooded keel.
Oh and the narrower the boat, the easier it is to push that V through the waves so you can have a smaller motor, but again more tippy unless planned for.
I think this is how Surtees/Barcrusger do it.
Boats are all about compromise and everywhere.
dodgy
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The more V the more horses it
The more V the more horses it will need to plane it efficiently. But the benefit is that it will ride much better. The actual cost will totally depend on hull weight and power options.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
maxxeman
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Have a look at
Have a look at http://www.goldstarboats.com.au/
Pilbra Dave
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Bar Crusher
Have a look at http://www.barcrusher.com.au/
I have the 610C and can't fault it, I take it out to the monties and upto 100km from the boat ramp. I've been caught at night in a fairly big strom and felt safe the whole time. It rides like a dream for a ali boat with a 21 deg dead rise. For a six meter boat it punches well above it weight limit.
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Olliej
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I had my heart set on an ali
I had my heart set on an ali for the bash ability of the hull. Of the ali's i picked the bc 560/610c as the one to have. But for the same money for me the fibreglass was a far better package and ended up going down that path (and i love the evo)
Piggy
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Cheers for all the info
Cheers for all the info guys!
Not extremely keen on the rough rides of Ali boats as suggested above! Haha I currently have a 25 foot trophy but it's too big for what I want.... Gonna be alot different riding in that and riding in an Ali! Haha
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West coast pom
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What are the trophys like? im
What are the trophys like? im looking at upgrading my boat to something bigger (in the 25-28 foot range) and Trophy's have definately caught my eye.
Any info you can give on them would be appreciated!
cheers
James.
Piggy
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Mate they are awesome!!Great
Mate they are awesome!!
Great ride, layout and features. I couldn't be happier with mine. I just want a smaller boat
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The_Wanderer
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why not buy a smaller glass
why not buy a smaller glass boat
gdupagne
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Have you had a look at the
Have you had a look at the westerbergs. good quality Ali boat built in WA
West coast pom
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My mate has a Westerberg and
My mate has a Westerberg and we go on it a fair bit and its a lovely rig. Very similar in set up to my Genesis but the ride is much softer!
macka17
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Hi. Mate has a 6.6 centre cab
Hi.
Mate has a 6.6 centre cab Trailcraft. with 225 Merc supercharged on back
I won't go out in it over 20knots. It comes down like a flat iron off every wave. (I'm 70 and don't bounce well any more)
Another mate bought a Sailfish ex pro boat. 6.2 I think?.
paid $61 for it with twin 90 Yammie 2 strokes.. WOW. Like riding on a blanket. Smooth as.
If I ever go back up to a bigger boat again. It'll be one of them. You could drop a coupla 6 mtr normal boats inside his.
And rattle them.
Doooma
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Check this out
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/kallaroo/motorboats-powerboats/coraline-oceanrunner-600-2000-01/1012374047
Piggy
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Been looking
I have been looking around at a fair few boats but can't find one that I like, and generally they aren't in the greatest condition with all bubbling all over the paint work and cracked in the Ali... Still looking around!
I had a look at that older coroline but was even told by the coroline dealer to stay away from the older hulls and try get one less than 3 years old because they. Hanged hull design.
Hopefully will find something soon
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jutt
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Go the Coraline, love mine!
Go the Coraline, love mine!
Syked
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I really like the coralines
I really like the coralines too - especially the new hull with steeper deadrise, but have never riden in one.
Prestoncraft make a great boat and I have been in a 7.5 and 7.85 and they were the softest riding plate boats I have been in. I mate has a 7.85 getting built now and the attention to detale is great.
Personally I like glass - thats why I have one :)
my 2 cents
Syked
MasterBruce
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Better than the best!
I got a new AMM 6800. The power-packed ride machine with a better self draining system that keeps it driest.